School Committee - April 24, 2024
School Committee, 4/24/24 - Meeting Summary
Date: 4/24/2024
Type: School Committee
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- Meeting Metadata
- Date & time: Wednesday, April 24, 2024
- Location / format: Remote meeting held over Zoom, broadcast live and recorded by Sharon TV
- Attendees (by role; absences not stated):
- Chair: Avi Shemtov
- Vice Chair: Dan Newman (mentioned in search results, but not noted in transcript participation)
- Secretary: Alan (last name not fully stated; possibly Allan Motenko per [1])
- Members: Julie Rowe, Jeremy Kay, Georgeann Lewis, Adam Shain, Dan (last name not stated)
- Other participants: Peter Carr, Ph.D. (likely district official), Dr. Botello (Superintendent), Jeff Mahoney (Building Assistants representative)
- Agenda Overview
- Public hearing on school choice program participation for FY24/25
- Executive session for collective bargaining/litigation
- Announcement of agreement with building assistants (three-year contract)
- Correspondence summary including concerns on kindergarten changes
- Superintendent updates including cooperative membership discussion
- Update on high school football coach hiring and weight room supervision
- School year 2024-25 calendar discussion and possible vote
- Proposal to dedicate high school football outdoor athletic facility to honor Mr. Gary W. Hall
- Half-day kindergarten operational plan update
- School committee policy KCD (public gifts to schools) review and discussion
- Approval of minutes for April 3, 2024
- Announcements (debate team championship, Junior Drama)
- Major Discussions
Topic: School Choice Program Participation
What triggered the discussion: Public hearing and superintendent’s recommendation on participation in FY24/25 school choice program
Key points debated:
- Declining student enrollment in district, contrary to prior statements about capacity
- Financial considerations: estimated $3,750 net revenue per choice student after town share
- Constraints and unpredictability regarding special education costs
- Responsibility for out-of-district placements borne by home district, not Sharon
- Motion to accept superintendent’s recommendation to not participate in school choice passed 5-1 (Sean O’ second voice; some names unclear in transcript)
Member Contributions & Stances: - Avi: Opened hearing, sought financial clarification
- Alan: No contribution recorded
- Julie: Asked detailed questions about funding and constraints
- Jeremy: No contribution recorded
- Georgeann: No contribution recorded
- Adam: No contribution recorded
- Dan: No contribution recorded
Areas of Agreement/Disagreement: - Agreement on accepting superintendent’s recommendation not to participate
- Disagreement implied by vote tally and public input advocating reconsideration
Key Quotes: - “Your population of students has declined… you’re going to lose approximately 140 students… that’s not going to do good things for you.” — Judy Crosby, public commenter
- “Generally, we would gain money, but yes, for each particular kid, it’s not completely predictable…” — Peter Carr
Outcome: Motion passed to not participate in school choice program in FY24/25.
Topic: Weight Room Supervision and Football Coach Hiring
What triggered the discussion: Superintendent update
Key points debated:
- Posting and application process for high school football coach; 25 applicants so far
- Difficulty staffing weight room for supervision, especially for offseason or teams without coaches
- Proposal to allow parent/guardian volunteers to supervise weight room with waiver to acknowledge untrained supervision
- Safety concerns expressed about reliance on parent volunteers without professional training
- Discussion of alternative solutions including rec department involvement or paid supervision
Member Contributions & Stances: - Avi: Facilitated discussion and shared updates
- Alan: No contribution recorded
- Julie: Supported parent volunteer supervision as interim solution
- Jeremy: No contribution recorded
- Georgeann: Expressed strong concern about safety, suggested exploring town departments or paid options
- Adam: Supported responsible adult supervision with waiver; asked about booster/parent covering paid supervision
- Dan: No contribution recorded
Areas of Agreement/Disagreement: - Agreement on need for supervision and use of waivers
- Disagreement on best supervisor type (parent volunteers vs. trained staff or community partners)
Key Quotes: - “I appreciate the parent creativity… it would probably actually increase the safety in the weight room.” — Julie
- “I have a real concern with having parents who are not trained given safety, liability, and the nature of weight training.” — Georgeann
Outcome: Continue with waiver form for parent volunteers as interim; staff to provide form; explore other options.
Topic: 2024-25 School Year Calendar
What triggered the discussion: Administrative calendar issues following March vote approving calendar with mostly federal holidays off, but removing traditional Rosh Hashanah and Good Friday days off
Key points debated:
- Survey results from STA showing high anticipated staff absences (12%-19%) on Rosh Hashanah, and 17%-40% on Good Friday, raising concern about school functioning on these days
- Discussion on whether to add back these holidays (and possibly others like Diwali, Eid, Lunar New Year) to the calendar
- Concerns about late school year extension if days added back (potentially after July 1) and impact on families’ summer plans
- Recognition of community cultural diversity and need for respect balanced with practical school operations
- Ownership expressed by Chair Avi for rushed calendar vote earlier leading to current issues
- Request for final survey data before making a calendar amendment decision
- Debate about whether low attendance days equate to practical need for day off or if school should operate regardless
Member Contributions & Stances: - Avi: Acknowledged responsibility for rushed vote; advocated adding back Rosh Hashanah and Good Friday; supports including all five cultural holidays if possible
- Alan: No contribution recorded
- Julie: Emphasized attendance data should guide decision; concerned about treating days off as cultural respect vs. practical attendance issue; supports listening to STA data
- Jeremy: No contribution recorded
- Georgeann: Strongly opposed adding many days back; concerned about extending calendar into July; highlighted attendance issues in diverse community; emotionally expressed frustration
- Adam: Favored maintaining start date; prefers extending calendar at end if changes needed; cautious about changing calendar mid-stream to avoid disrupting families
- Dan: No contribution recorded
- Veronica: Leans toward federal holidays only calendar due to practical staffing concerns; wants final STA data before any changes; emphasized impact on families relying on school services
Areas of Agreement/Disagreement: - Agreement that current calendar creates operational and community problems
- Disagreement on number of days to add back and whether calendar start date can change
- Disagreement on role of cultural respect vs. practical attendance in deciding days off
Key Quotes: - “Having a calendar that doesn’t put Rosh Hashanah and Good Friday back on it is a calendar that doesn’t work.” — Avi
- “We have to listen to this [STA] data… otherwise, having school on days with low attendance makes no sense.” — Julie
- “Adding days back will push school past July 1… That’s not even a viable option.” — Georgeann
- “I lean on looking at these days as being days I would choose to add back… if I don’t think it will be a safe day of school.” — Veronica
Outcome/Next steps: Dr. Botello to continue collecting data and finalize recommendation; committee to reconsider calendar with data; final decision deferred pending further data and discussions.
Topic: Half-Day Kindergarten Operational Plan
What triggered the discussion: Superintendent update on structure and enrollment for half-day kindergarten for 2024-25 school year
Key points debated:
- Half-day students placed in full-day classrooms, dismissed around 12:30 pm with core literacy and math instruction in morning
- Goal to minimize class size imbalance and avoid forced assignments of full-day kids to half-day sections due to capacity
- Efforts to assist families with financial hardship to get full-day placement
- Discussion about past experiences with half-day programs and social considerations of children leaving midday
- Current low numbers of half-day requests, direct outreach planned to families choosing half-day for support and understanding
Member Contributions & Stances: - Avi: Facilitated; no direct input recorded
- Alan: No contribution recorded
- Julie: Asked questions on logistics, student experience, social impact for children leaving midday
- Jeremy: No contribution recorded
- Georgeann: No contribution recorded
- Adam: No contribution recorded
- Dan: No contribution recorded
Areas of Agreement/Disagreement: - Agreement on structure and sensitivity to family needs
- Some concern about social effects on children leaving midday discussed briefly
Key Quotes: - “Any kid who wants full-day will get full-day. Any kid who wants half-day will get half-day.” — Superintendent
- “We will work really hard to make sure that any child choosing half-day is doing so by choice, not due to financial issues.” — Superintendent
Outcome: Plan accepted as presented; outreach ongoing.
Topic: Policy KCD - Public Gifts to Schools
What triggered the discussion: Receipt of donation offer directed toward specific program purpose, conflicting with current policy that prohibits directed gifts
Key points debated:
- Current policy allows donation but school committee has discretion in use; does not allow acceptance of gifts designated for specific purposes
- Discussion on whether to amend policy to allow acceptance of directed donations, with committee having final decision and ability to reject inappropriate gifts
- Consideration of potential unequal funding of programs if directed donations allowed
Member Contributions & Stances: - Avi: Facilitated discussion; supports alignment with MASC policy
- Alan: No contribution recorded
- Julie: Supports allowing directed donations as positive for fundraising; willing to accept risk of potential program imbalance
- Jeremy: No contribution recorded
- Georgeann: No contribution recorded
- Adam: Chair of policy subcommittee; volunteers to review policy with subcommittee; open to member feedback
- Dan: No contribution recorded
Areas of Agreement/Disagreement: - General openness to reviewing policy to allow directed gifts with controls
- No clear disagreement recorded
Key Quotes: - “We could not accept donations for inappropriate programs.” — Julie
- “I tend to lean toward being in alignment with MASC.” — Avi
Outcome: Policy subcommittee to review policy KCD and consider revisions; feedback invited from committee members.
- Votes (Substantive items only)
Motion: Accept superintendent’s recommendation to not participate in School Choice program for FY24/25
Result: Passed 5-1 (exact names not fully clear)
Roll-call by member: Not fully documented; Julie, Veronica, Adam, and Avi voted yes; Shauna No; others not stated explicitly
Motion: Move to executive session for collective bargaining/litigation
Result: Passed 5-0
Roll-call (names from transcript): Shauna Yes, Veronica Yes, Wen Yes, Julie Yes, Chair Yes
Motion: Approve minutes of April 3, 2024
Result: Passed 6-0
Roll-call: Julie Yes, Veronica Yes, Adam Yes, Shauna Yes, Wen Yes, Avi Yes
Motion: Adjourn meeting
Result: Passed unanimously
Roll-call: Adam Yes, Wen Yes, Shauna Yes, Veronica Yes, Julie Yes, Avi Yes
- Presentations Without Discussion (Brief)
- Building assistants contract announcement: Entered a three-year contract; Jeff Mahoney expressed appreciation for school committee and district support.
- Proposal to dedicate SHS football outdoor athletic facility to Mr. Gary W. Hall: Presented historic and community background; public comment period open until May 8, 2024.
- Action Items & Follow-Ups
- Dr. Botello to continue collecting staff absence survey data related to calendar holidays and provide final recommendation before next calendar decision.
- Policy subcommittee (Adam Chair) to review policy KCD regarding public gifts and directed donations; return with recommendations.
- Staff to develop waiver form for parent volunteer supervision in weight room, targeting delivery by end of week.
- Kindergarten program staff to reach out to families choosing half-day for support and information on full-day options.
- Open Questions / Items Deferred
- Final decision on adding holidays back to 2024-25 school calendar deferred pending full data and further discussion.
- Consideration of paid staff or community resources for weight room supervision deferred for future follow-up.
- Whether town’s recuperative relief funds could be directed more effectively to district budget remains unaltered despite state legislative activity.
- Appendices (Optional)
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Acronyms:
- STA: Sharon Teachers Association
- MGL: Massachusetts General Laws
- LEA: Local Educational Agency
- CPI: Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation
- KCD: School Committee policy on Public Gifts
- MASC: Massachusetts Association of School Committees
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Referenced Documents:
- Budget book (mentioned in school choice discussion)
- Public correspondence summary for April 3 to 24, 2024
- Naming proposal packet for Gary W. Hall facility
- Staff absence survey and calendar proposals (described in discussion)
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Transcript and Video
All right.
Welcome to the Wednesday, April 24th, 2024 meeting of the Sharon School Committee.
This meeting will be conducted remotely over Zoom. Attendance by Board of Commission members will be remote and remote attendance shall count towards a quorum. The meeting will be broadcast live and recorded by Sharon TV. If you elect to enable your webcam, your image and background may be broadcast with or without sound.
We're beginning the meeting off with our public hearing on school choice. The Sharon School Committee will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, April 24th, 2024 to discuss Sharon Public Schools participation in FY24.
I think, is that right?
I think school year 23, 24. I think that might be FY25, school year 24, 25 school choice program.
This hearing is being made consistent with the requirements of MGL section 12B of chapter 76. So I will open up the public hearing and look for hands from the public.
I see Judy Crosby.
Thank you, Avi.
And I apologize for any background noise.
I'm in an unusual location.
So I wanted to advocate that the school committee reconsider its straw poll stated position that it would not support school choice.
In addition to the additional funding for each student, the narrative at the last meeting was that we're bursting at the seams, our population of students is full. And in fact, by the school committee's own budget book, our population of students has declined year over year, from fiscal year 23 to fiscal year 24 by over 70 students, and is projected to do the same for next year. Unless you want to tell me the budget book information was fully inaccurate, you're going to lose approximately 140 students from fiscal year 23 to fiscal year 25. As you have all learned recently by diving in on chapter 70, that's not going to do good things for you, especially at the high school level.
So I think you really need to reconsider the idea of school choice of doing it in a limited way, with specific seats in grades where you have space, particularly at the high school, because you're you're adding fuel to your budget fire, and the building is burning.
So please consider that. And and look at those enrollment numbers, because it's in the budget book materials that you published.
Your population has not gone up, it's going down, and it's not showing signs of stopping.
Thank you.
Thank you. All right, seeing no further hands.
I'll move us to a school committee vote if folks are comfortable.
Are there any questions or comments from the table?
All right, if not, then I would entertain a motion. I just wanted to ask if Peter could review the actual amount of money that we would receive per student were we to vote to to allow school choice?
How much money would we get per student, like after the town takes its share? Peter Carr, Ph.D.: Well, we haven't had it before.
So if if the town does what traditionally does with incoming funds, we would receive we could receive 75% of that 5000.
So 3750.
But we haven't done it before.
So we're not. Peter Carr, Ph.D.:
That's that's what I would expect.
But it's not. Again, it hasn't been done before.
It's not like all funds coming in from the town are always allotted in that way. And oh, may I follow up Bobby?
Sure.
Oh, so, Peter, can you tell us about the constraints for school choice that that we have? So when we we don't have the opportunity to choose?
I mean, we have the opportunity to choose the grade Peter Carr, Ph.D.: That we're allowing students into cracks, but we don't get to pick students.
Peter Carr, Ph.D.: Correct.
Peter Carr, Ph.D.:
Right.
So if somebody like regardless of what their, you know, background is like so if somebody if somebody needed an expensive outplacement, we wouldn't know that in advance and we would be responsible for the outplacement.
Is that correct? Peter Carr, Ph.D.:
No, that's not the outplacement would they if they did the funding for special education students is bore by the home district.
So what what what where Peter Carr, Ph.D.:
There, there can be factors of unpredictability, not as if, you know, if a student Peter Carr, Ph.D.: You know needed something Peter Carr, Ph.D.:
And the you know, say here in in in Sharon and reimbursement rate wasn't you know quite as high as is the actual cost that were where that can get to repeat, but it can also work the reverse way where, you know, they get an IA and that IA is not a one to one IA and they're shared with other kids and we get some benefit so it can work either way. Peter Carr, Ph.D.:
Okay, so the the what you're saying is that it's not predictable if we would actually make money on this or lose money on this. Peter Carr, Ph.D.:
Generally, we would we would we would gain money, but yes, for each particular kid, it's not completely predictable, but out if a student was placed out of the districts and that would be bore by the home district.
Peter Carr, Ph.D.:
Thank you. Peter Carr, Ph.D.:
Thanks, Julie.
Sean.
Sean O' Thanks, Avi.
Sean O' I'm sorry I have to be off the video tonight. Sean O' Just a quick point of clarification to Julie's question, Dr. Patella.
Sean O' If a if a student's home LEA assumes responsibility for tuition costs for out and out of district placement, does our district assume transportation costs or does the students then enrollment in our school choice become void? Sean O' Right, so like I'm just thinking like if we have a student who is part of our school choice Sean O' If a student is a student who is part of our school choice, is that if a student is a student who is part of our school choice, then no longer derives benefit from our public school Sean O' setting and requires a more restrictive educational back like setting, does the student then lose their place in our school choice? Sean O' I'm 99% sure the answer is that yes, they would lose.
Sean O' If they're if they're not, if their services are not being provided by our district, Sean O' It's it's borr by the home district, including transportation.
Sean O' And so then we would have a vacancy in that seat? Sean O' Correct.
Sean O' If we open up the seat, we don't have vacancy. Sean O' Thank you. Sean O' All right.
Sean O' If anybody has a motion, I would entertain a motion.
Sean O' So moved.
Sean O' So moved. Sean O' So we have to make a full motion though. Sean O' Yeah, I just didn't know which way. Sean O' I mean, I'm happy to word the motion if folks tell me, but I mean, Sean O' We can either make a motion to say no to school to accept the superintendent's recommendation of not being school choice district, or we could make a motion to become a school's choice district. Sean O' I make a motion to accept the superintendent's recommendation.
Sean O' Okay, need a second.
Sean O' Okay.
Sean O' I'm happy to hear that. Sean O' I'm happy to hear that. Sean O' Second. Sean O' All right, Veronica. Sean O' Yes. Sean O' Julie.
Sean O' Yes. Sean O' Shauna.
Sean O' No. Sean O' Okay.
Sean O' And I am a yes. Motion carries for one. Sean O' All right, next up, we have an odd agenda tonight.
Sean O' This was a hearing that was scheduled.
Sean O' And so we wanted, we needed to adhere to that time, but we are going to be coming back to open at 830, regardless of when our executive session ends. Sean O' And so, pursuant to MGLC 30A-S21A3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation with the STA and school assistance, and pursuant to MGLC 30A-S21A7 Sean O' To comply with or act under the authority of any general or specific law or federal grant in aid requirements, if an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigation position of the Sharon School Committee and the chair so declares to return to open session. Sean O' Can I get a motion?
Sean O' So moved.
Sean O' Second.
Sean O' All right, Sean O' Shauna.
Sean O' Yes.
Sean O' Veronica.
Melissa O' Yes.
Sean O' Wend. Sean O' Yes. Sean O' Julie. Melissa O' Yes. Sean O' And I'm a yes. Motion carries 5-0.
We will move into executive session and we will see everybody at 830 sharp.
Thank you all. Sean O' All right.
Sean O' We are back.
Thank you for bearing with us here on the timing.
before we take public comment which is the beginning of our agenda our post 8 30 agenda we do just need to announce that we've accepted and entered into an agreement on a contract with our building assistants so just announcing that um julie i know jeff mahoney is on the call jeff did you want i know you would ask to join the call was there something that you had wanted to say i can ask you to unmute oh absolutely i'm ecstatic and uh thank very thankful for all the hard work um all the school assistants um that i met with um meeting with avi and ellen we appreciate everything that the schools have given us uh with all the work that we do uh working with the teachers is amazing and again we appreciate uh the school committee for taking a look at the contract for the next three years thank you so much yes and i'm sorry i was remiss in naming the number of years so we've entered into a three-year contract uh thank you jeff and thank you for the hard work that all of our building assistants do we appreciate you all couldn't do this thing without you all right um public comments do i see any hands SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um all right seeing no hands i will throw it to our secretary for correspondence thanks avi the school committee received 24 pieces of correspondence between april 3rd 24 at 9 a.m and april 24th 2024 at 9 a.m many family and community members have written to the school committee to express concerns about the changes in the kindergarten program for the upcoming 20 24 25 school year these letters raised a variety of issues related to both the decision to charge tuition and the timing of that decision as well as the proposed structure of the half-day kindergarten program several letters requested that the school committee reconsider the decision and return to a free full-day kindergarten program an essay shs teacher asked for the school committee to provide input into possible priority community service activities opportunities this request was made in conjunction with the class where students participate in a year-long community service project the school committee received a petition signed by multiple community members which asked the school committee to consider retaining dr meg do so as an employee of the district the school committee reprie received a proposal to dedicate the sharon high school football outdoor athletic facility to honor mr gary w hall for superior service to the town a community member wrote with a call to action on behalf of the sharon high school football team and to request daily use of the weight in locker room for conditioning in preparation of the 2024-25 season the letter also requested that the district prioritize the hiring of a football coach for the upcoming fall season we received several newsletters from metco to decide to highlight the upcoming living the legacy professional development day on may 10th 2024 to publicize the rei racial equity and integration grants that are available to member districts and to encourage member districts to reach out to their local legislatures to support a fully funded metco budget for the 2024-25 school year senator feeney invited school committee members to a budget roundtable with senate ways and means committee chair on friday april 19th 2024 a community member wrote to inquire how the district determines what religious celebrations and programs are permitted during school hours and how sharon public schools upholds the separation of church and state a sharon high school student shared information on their project to assist fifth grade students with the transition to middle school that's it thanks julie um do we have a student rep here with an update so please raise your hand all right no student rep update all right we will go to superintendent dr botello for general updates great thank you we have a number of things um that i'll run through first of all believe it or not we're in our the seven seven weeks uh left of school starting next week and then when one remaining day so end of the year activities field trips and events are in in process of being organized um please check your individual school news newsletters to stay informed about all those Also, today is Administrative Professionals Day, so we want to thank all of our administrative assistants, including Jane Martin and all the others who work so hard and so professionally to help our schools and our system run.
We're thankful for their awesome efforts.
We have a great, great group in that field.
End of the year school topics for school community. We have four scheduled meetings, so that will include quarter three financial updates, specific topic updates, including student services updates, naming proposal for public comment and decision that will come up today, superintendent summative year end review, restructuring of school committee appointments after elections, as well as a number of other things, but those are some of the highlights.
The education cooperative in Walpole, I've been in communication with Emily Parks, who used to be the superintendent in Westwood, and an old colleague of mine who's now the executive director there.
In Holliston, we belong to Tech or the educational cooperative.
It's called Tech, the educational cooperative, because it was the first cooperative formed in Massachusetts.
And so I wanted to bring up the discussion about a possible membership in Tech.
There's great benefits to it.
Certainly in all of my districts, we belong to cooperatives, and currently Sharon does not belong to a cooperative.
Some of the benefits include reduced tuition for public school, for public special education day programs.
So these are placements in cooperatives for students aged 3 through 22.
The benefit of reduced tuition is you get a 25% reduction in tuition, if you're a member district.
That's an average savings of approximately $16,000 per student who is placed there.
Then also you have access to Tech Online learning classes.
This is supplemental online classes for middle and high schools. So if perhaps a certain class did not fit into a kid's schedule, then they might be able to take an online class through Tech.
And as part of the membership, you get 80 free seats per year, which is approximately a $24,000 savings.
There's also student internship and career exploration programs at member rates. So these are reduced rates.
Professional development, Tech is really strong in their professional development, both online and face-to-face for teachers, IAs, and administrators.
So you get reduced rates to those.
There's job-alikes for a number of groups at no cost at all, where normally it might be $1,000 or so to join a job-alike.
Discounted tuition for master's and bachelor's degree.
Completion programs at research college. This is both for staff members in Sharon as well as their family members, which is really unique.
Then membership in the Tech Student Data Privacy Alliance, which is free for Tech members.
It's approximately $1,500.
And it's something that's really valuable to help vet all of the data privacy of vendors that we and other districts in the Commonwealth use. And there's also membership in a statewide cooperative purchasing program at no cost.
We currently pay $1,000 for food services cooperative purchasing.
Plus there's other purchasing programs through Tech that we also wouldn't have to pay any fee for. And then the significant savings by purchasing in a large group, not just the district, but many districts together.
So that allows for additional cost savings.
Now, the membership cost is any place in FY22 is any place from $10,834 to $12,785.
So, you know, and we expect it's going to be someplace in that range.
This consideration would be for the beginning of not this fall, not September of 2024, but be the fall of 2025.
And by, so just by having one student in a tech program, you would make up the membership costs.
And by, you know, doing 30 online courses, we currently pay for 30 online courses, where we could take advantage of many more, 50 more.
We currently pay over $11,000 for that.
So we basically could make up the cost with one student or with the online courses that we use with Tech, make up the cost for the annual membership.
Some of the member districts include all the ones that are listed there. So a lot of great districts in the region.
And then the steps would be for you to vote to request that we explore membership from Tech.
Then the Tech Board of Directors would vote to approve.
And then you would then approve the membership by school committee.
Yeah, the school committee would approve the membership. And then it also goes finally through the commissioner of education.
So I know that ideally you would give permission to, you know, for us to, for me to approach Tech and say we would be like you to consider approving our membership.
That would happen this spring before, you know, before July 1st. And then they would go about their process in summer or fall.
And then if we got approval, then we would approve.
And then we'd send it to the state for their approval.
It's just something I want to open up that conversation and, and have us consider that.
Because I think it would be a great opportunity.
And I was surprised when I joined here that we were not part of the cooperative because there's great benefits.
Great. We can agenda that for a future meeting.
Are there any questions from the table about that before we go to the football update?
All right.
Football update it is, Dr. Patel.
Okay.
So we, we posted the high school football coach position and we are accepting applications.
We currently have 25 applications that have been submitted.
The hiring committee is being established.
And Kristen Keenan will chair that committee.
She'll be reaching out to people this week and beginning of next week to, to start to look at those applications and to interview in the first round screen, a first round of those candidates, starting with any internal candidates that we have in the district.
The committee will include building and district admin, teachers, coaches, students, parent guardians, as well as at least one school committee member. And the second, there's been some questions about the weight room and we have been having some difficulty, whether it's for the football team or even potentially other teams that don't currently have a coach having supervision.
Usually coaches will volunteer time to supervise.
And usually that has worked out in the past, but since we have some vacancies, there haven't been all the opportunities that we want. So I've approached our district council to develop a waiver form in order to allow parent guardian volunteers to supervise the weight room because we've gotten some people who have said that they'd be willing to do that. So we just have to develop that form. I asked them to get that to me by the end of the week and we hope to start that, you know, as early as next week. People will have to be Corey, but they'd also have to, anyone who's participating in the weight room would have to sign this form recognizing that the volunteer is really not a trained weight room person, but it's just a supervisor.
And the person who is supervising would sign, you know, based upon their responsibilities as well. Great.
Jane, do we freeze?
No, I don't think so.
I just, I did stop the present.
Did I miss? Oh, okay. Okay. No, you stopped the present. Okay. I thought I saw people freezing.
So I was... Yeah. Sorry.
Javi looks frozen.
Camera tonight just got a lot going on.
So any questions on that part before we go into calendar?
We can move forward.
I think if Shauna is able to join, like, I mean, she's joined, but if she's able... No, I have a question.
All right, perfect.
I'm actually raising my hand.
Yeah, we saw you try.
Just a question.
Like, I know that you just said that we would have parents, Corey.
Are we not concerned about having a weight room available to students and not having trained staff there?
I just feel like that's concerning to me.
Traditionally, we have kind of coaches that are rotating through.
And, you know, so I think that would be ideal, but we're trying to work creatively within, you know, within our confines to allow for it to be more open.
So whenever we... I get creativity.
Yeah.
I get creativity.
I just worry about the safety of our students.
If we have parents just supervising a space versus trained coaches to work on appropriate use of equipment and safety.
We could...
I guess there would be accommodation.
I think this would create greater access, but certainly it's something to consider.
But I...
I...
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I... I would like to consider a combination, again, of coaches and of volunteers so we can have greater access for our kids.
Veronica?
Yeah.
Thanks, Dr. Botello.
Just building on what Shauna mentioned, when you're... As you're devising the waiver, you know, clearly stipulate to parents whose children are going to be participating that the parent volunteer coverage is, you know, not a trained coach, right? And so those open hours would be understood.
The parent would understand that they're giving permission for their child to be in a place where there's supervision, making sure that, you know, that there's adult eyes in the room, but not someone who is trained in the use. So is there a possibility of those athletes being on a list that are cleared by the coach to use the facility?
Like, in other words, can we do something that enables us to know that those kids who are part of that group are on a team and they're using that for the purpose of getting the extra time in, but... And everyone understands what they're agreeing to, right?
The waiver would absolutely state that.
Yeah. We also can, you know, in the communication with the waiver, we can perhaps open up some opportunities for kids who need some additional training.
I'm going back years and years, but I know that in high school, you know, using weight weight rooms with my friends, we did use it.
Back then, you didn't have to be supervised.
We, you know, but if there are kids who haven't, who aren't accustomed to it and who need some, you know, some coaching in order to use it safely, we could certainly open up opportunities for that. Not every time they're in there, but, you know, we could communicate some of that in the communications, but the waiver itself would clearly state that we have supervisors not necessarily trained people to work with kids at all times.
Shauna?
So, I appreciate the parent, I appreciate the parent creativity.
Have we looked at other departments within our school, like within our town?
So, enlisting the help of Linda Berger in the rec department, looking at community education, looking to see if we have any of the local gyms who want to come in, kind of like we outsource our athletic trainers.
I mean, the parent piece of this really, really is weighing heavily on me, quite possibly, because I know all that goes into weight training, and especially you get a high school kid in there who wants to, you know, show off that he's going to bench 300 pounds and God forbid, right, what's an untrained parent going to do despite a liability waiver that's signed off?
Have we looked at other avenues to get other people involved in this?
We certainly can look at avenues that are paid, right, you know, again, in the past it had worked without having a paid, you know, weight room supervisor of sorts, and we don't have that, you know, currently as part of our budget, but we certainly could look into that. We also could look into part of the process of being able to use the weight rooms to go through at least some kind of orientation training that could be something to be considered as well.
What about having the rec department or community ed staff it and then it being like a weight room class that's offered?
Yeah, we'd have to either pay them or we'd have to have people that are using the weight room pay the person.
Like, we wouldn't get that for free.
We would have to...
Right.
Okay.
Julie?
The onus wouldn't be on us, sir.
So, no, you're okay, John. Sorry, I didn't, I don't mean to cut you off if there was more.
Go ahead. I didn't.
I think that there's already kids kind of using the weight room on the DL.
So, I actually think having a parent there under these circumstances would probably actually increase the safety in the weight room.
I think that if a parent is really concerned about their child being in there, then that they don't have to let them participate.
So, I think, I just feel like it's, I feel like it would be an improvement to have a parent in there versus no one or people sneaking in.
I think if there's not a coach, I mean, obviously, it's not the ideal situation and generally the coaches do accompany the kids, but I think having a parent there is a good in-between measure until we can get the coaches in there. and so I would definitely be for it.
Thanks, Julie.
I raised my hand just to hold my place so I can chime in.
I actually, I respect and understand where Shauna's coming from and what Shauna's viewpoint is here.
For me, I guess I have a couple things and I'm trying to tread lightly here because I don't want to in any way disrespect any of our coaches district-wide or any rec department or community ed, but I guess I just want to add, I guess I just want to chime in a little bit, Shauna, that for me, I think just knowing a little bit about the hiring process for coaches and what sort of qualifications are required and then certainly rec as well and then also actually community ed is the one that I know the least about.
I'm not sure that while those might feel more official, not sure that those qualifications are any different than some parents who might be volunteering as far as their expertise in the weight room.
So the idea is to find folks who specifically have qualifications regarding, you know, being around kids in the weight room and I guess for me I would teeter a little on that need only because I've been a high schooler who use gyms.
I've also had kids that I've been involved in coaching use gyms.
For me, I think it's not uncommon for high school age athletes to use gyms, public gyms, gyms where, not public, but gyms where they're paying a membership without specific supervision.
So it's less of a concern to me, but I will say that if that is the concern and I don't think it's outrageous at all, like I actually totally get where Shauna's coming from, it might just help us to ask for volunteers from the parent group of football parents who are offering the volunteer who have this experience.
I know specifically, for example, a couple of the parents who had reached out with questions about this access were personal trainers or had experience having coached kids at different levels.
So perhaps, you know, maybe the midpoint here is just asking if some of those parents could have, you know, some form of expertise. I still think the waiver is crucial from a liability standpoint here in the district.
I think we've been asked by the football parents to get access to the weight room for their kids.
And I think these kids would otherwise be using weight rooms elsewhere it's either A, a membership issue, or B, a convenience and time issue, given that they go to school.
So, you know, those parents feel like their athletes are falling behind other schools' programs, and I think they're looking to get access to these weight rooms. I don't think it's not a legit concern.
I think Shauna's concern is really important. We have to address it.
I just also think we can work with in the framework of the volunteers still possibly.
I'm not sure that involving record community ed makes sense.
Adam?
Thanks, Avi, and thank you, Dr. Patello.
So, I don't have concerns.
I'm comfortable with a responsible adult and the waivers.
I think that's a good solution.
Point of clarification, if we wanted to move forward with something that was paid, given that we haven't budgeted for that, is that something that boosters or parents could pay for?
Is that something if they want to do that, would that be allowed?
I can look into that.
Okay, thank you.
Marwen?
Yeah, so I'm hearing football a lot. we do have other athletic teams in Sharon.
Should I assume that they will also have the same access to the weight room?
Yeah, I kind of separated out.
So, with weight room, it says including football players as far as the weight room portion.
So, some teams have coaches that are supervising.
It might be all set, but if there are other teams that are trying to get access, yes, they would be able to use the weight room. It's not just football players.
We're talking about before school hours, that's one of the requests and things like that.
Yeah, I guess it's just sort of, I don't actually know the capacity of the weight room. I don't know the demand.
I just want to make sure that everyone who needs to use the weight room will have some access and they won't be edged out by another team scheduling it or occupying the space.
Yeah, I think if there's other teams that are on the team and other teams have some times and there is a restriction on space, they might be asked to use it during the times they already have.
But if they don't have a set time, perhaps because they don't have a coach who either have a coach right now or has a coach that's able to supervise it in the offseason, then they would be able to use it at these times where we have parent volunteers. Yes.
Thank you.
All right, moving to discussion items, school choice is out of the way.
We voted for one in favor of accepting the superintendent's recommendation not to enter in the school choice earlier in the evening.
All right, request to dedicate the Sharon High School football outdoor athletic facility to honor Mr. Gary W. Hall.
This is the announcement and proposal to do that.
This is the official opening and public comment period April 24th, 2024 until May 8th, 2024.
And there will be a public comment period on the agenda for May 8th, 2024.
I'm not sure. It says that.
Do we have a meeting?
Oh, yeah, we do. Right? Do we have a meeting on May 8th?
We do.
Yes. Just making sure.
So with that said, anybody who has a feeling one way or the other about naming the football outdoor facility after Mr.
Gary W. Hall can contact the school committee or myself as the chair officially between now and May 8th, 2024.
So please do.
All right, next up, school year 2024, 2025 calendar just addressing administrative calendar issues, having a discussion and a possible vote.
Sorry, I see Joseph Blansfield is here. I'm going to assume that that's that has to do with Mr. Gary Hall.
So I'm going to call on Mr.
Blansfield.
And I hope if I apologize in advance, Mr. Blansfield, this isn't regarding Mr. Hall.
I will, I assume, I know you're part of the presentation.
Go ahead.
Actually, this is George and call if Joe's letting me use this computer.
And I thought you'd want some background now.
And we'd, basically, our purpose is to recognize Mr. Gary Hall's 32 years of service to public education, the Civic Action Group and Sharon, and the cardiopulmonary resuscitation program, adult health education programs, as an administrator, coach, and teacher from 1955 through 1987.
A position is he clearly deserves this honor, as his impact and service was across a wide myriad of those who have already been so honored, which I knew Mr.
Peckham and Mr.
Davenport coaches, for example.
Due to his assignments, he contributed to numerous too-mentioned details.
I can't go into detail and I won't take up the time on that, but he served for 32 years as an administrator teaching and coaching in roles in an outstanding manner and served Sharon beyond schools by providing a CPI program in adult fitness and recreation activities.
He created procedures for the athletic director.
He created standard procedures and trained as replacement, which was Mr. Davenport, which he mentored.
He's also the first chairperson of physical education and he supervised all the schools and helped bring along all the teachers in all schools and physical education health facilities.
He developed his body, mind, and spirit. I was one of his students and one of his people on the gymnastics team.
Soccer teams, he introduced that. They became the perennial Hockamock League champions.
A lot of the gymnasts went on to athletic scholarships.
I feel it's a direct result of his coaching and enthusiasm instilling in us.
Prior to this, he served in World War II as an Army combat medic and was twice decorated for Ballet with the Bronze Star and Purple Hearts, which he suffered rescuing people in a minefield.
It's impossible to overstate how much impact he had on students like myself and others in preparing us for the future. and I've always felt whether I was a professional teacher, a retired Massachusetts teacher, and before that as a professional Army officer, infantry mostly, and I felt the background that he gave us and the confidence he still in us helped me through many tasks in my fellow members graduating in that period of 1966.
so our conclusion was he'd be honored with remarkable service by dedicating that facility mentioned in front, you know, the football field area, and recommendation was to name it after him, and I'd like to thank the committee for providing us this time to advance our position tonight.
Thank you very much. If you have any questions, I can answer them, provided a booklet.
I think everything's in there, but it'll certainly be available in person. any way you want, I can help any other way to influence this. Thank you very much.
So first off, thank you very much for your service.
Also, thank you for the information in the packet that you provided, and I think, I'm sure like many of my colleagues, I look forward to after this time period of public comment, being able to honor Mr. Hall.
I think he did a beautiful job explaining the impact that he made on the school district. So thank you very much to you and to anybody else involved in bringing this forward.
Thank you, sir. Thank you.
All right.
the school year, 2025, 2024, 2025 calendar, addressing administrative calendar issues, discussion, possible vote.
Dr.
Patel?
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So, yeah, as we've been kind of processing the school committee vote to a new calendar focused on federal holidays, we've been doing some research to ensure that we have sufficient staffing to support the daily functioning of school during the religious and cultural holidays, especially those days that we have traditionally had off. And there's definitely some concern that staff, you know, especially when we think about functioning as a school, but also student absences to some degree could be problematic.
So I've been looking over the historical data as far as absences.
And we've also asked the STA to do a survey on what we could expect as far as absences.
And so just to give you a little bit of a summary, on an average day, we have approximately 8% of our teachers and IAs absent.
This is pretty typical, actually, of data across a number of districts, pretty typical in this calendar year.
But we have a high of any place around 12 to 13% on one of those really bad days, say, in January, where there's a lot of flu going around, or, you know, as well as, you know, days like that.
And so as the STA has done some preliminary data collection, they've gotten responses by about 70% of teachers and IAs. And they're reporting that between 12% to 19% would expect to be absent on Rosh Hashanah.
The 12%, I think, is more around, like, strict observance.
And the additional 7% is partly around observance and also partly around managing child care for kids that they might have whose districts have the day off. Rosh Hashanah is, you know, day two is less.
It's around, it's around 6%, 6% to 11%.
But then Good Friday is a day where we could expect between 17% and 40% absent.
Again, that's, you know, largely because of observance.
And then the other part that's a maybe.
So they did yes, no, maybe. So that's where I'm getting that range is partly because of observance, but also partly because of, you know, kind of managing child care for their kids who have school.
On Eid, Diwali, and Lunar New Year, as far as staff absences, it was any place from 1% to 4%. And then on Yom Kippur, it was between 13% to 20%.
So a little bit higher on the yes category, but similar in the yes or maybe category.
So with that in mind, I just want to express concern about whether or not we will have capacity to have enough people.
Because I think, you know, there'll be some overlap with traditional absences.
But say even we have kind of an average day of about 8 absences, 8% absences.
And maybe that's a little bit less, you know, because there'll be overlap with people who are off because of religious observance.
But we could expect, you know, that we're going to have above what people are going to plan for as far as being absent, having at least another 4% or 5% absent just because of illness or other things that go on. So I am, you know, I am concerned about, especially with respect to functioning, about Rosh Hashanah Day 1 and Good Friday.
And just something that I want to make sure that we're considering, you know, prior to those days as we look at next year's calendar.
Veronica?
Thanks, Avi. Thanks, Dr. Pitello.
It sounds like Yom Kippur data was similar to, unless I was not clear as you were describing, but it sounds like Yom Kippur, First Day Rosh Hashanah and Good Friday.
But this calendar year, there is no day off for Yom Kippur. Or is that?
Yeah, so that's where I wasn't really highlighting.
Okay, just to clarify.
This coming year, because we just have this, because yes, it's on a weekend.
So it's not going to impact during the, you know, 24, 25 year.
Right. So that we wouldn't be needing to alter the calendar for Yom Kippur this year. But based on the numbers, it would be consistent with Good Friday and First Day Rosh Hashanah.
Yeah. And I do want to make it like the numbers that people say yes are, I think are really, I think our SDA members are being sincere in their desire to observe.
And, you know, I don't think they thought through when they were, you know, proposing, you know, kind of inequitable ways to do mostly federal holidays that there still might be a practical barrier to that with respect to still wanting to allow both students and staff to observe as needed.
Yeah, understood.
Thank you.
Anybody else have anything?
All right.
Go ahead, Adam.
Thanks.
So I just wanted to clarify for next steps. It sounds like we're still collecting information or is there an action that kind of we're looking to do at this point?
I would say just the current information makes it, you know, makes it seem like Good Friday would not be functioning even based upon the number of absences and that Rosh Hashanah seems very, very problematic.
Because we ultimately, if we get 100% of people to respond, that will give us a very good sense of what are the planned absences.
But we are going to have someplace between 5% and 8% absence on top of that, you know, or 4% to 8%. Because again, there'll be overlap of people who are sick and observing.
So we won't be able to predict it. But I have great concerns about, based upon 70% of respondents of, you know, Rosh Hashanah and Rosh Hashanah Day 1 and Good Friday, I think will be, again, Good Friday, I just couldn't even, it just seems like it is, unfortunately, you know, as far as equitable, you know, trying to be equitable.
It doesn't seem like that's going to be a functioning day. And Rosh Hashanah, you know, I think we would be racing ourselves and hoping greatly that the only absences were because of religious observance and that, you know, the majority of the people or at least, you know, a lot of the people who are trying to cobble together childcare would be able to do so. So I think that's a very, very risky day as well, as far as functioning.
And let me just make clear that, you know, theoretically, I like the idea of, you know, having all the holidays represented.
So this is really just presenting the practical end of functioning right now.
That's not a stance on my philosophy on the whole picture.
I think we have to continue to have these discussions going forward.
Yeah, thank you. And I know, and I think the school committee was clear about our desire to have, you know, to incorporate as many holidays and represent kind of as many cultures and communities as possible.
And I appreciate you kind of bringing up this concern.
I think I read recently, I forget which district.
There was a district just had to kind of, right. So Mansfield had to cancel school on Good Friday because they couldn't, they didn't have enough staff.
Right.
And that was on short notice, right?
Correct.
Okay. Well, so I am certainly in favor of getting ahead of, of those concerns if possible so that we don't end up in that situation where, yeah, we're, we're canceling school kind of just a couple of days beforehand.
Veronica.
Yeah. So I guess we have two questions for Dr. Botello.
Do you, are you anticipating that you're going to try and get 100% respondents from staff so that you really have a clear recommendation?
Dr. Botello, you're giving us a heads up today, but you're going to continue and bring this back once you've completed the survey with a recommendation for us.
Absolutely. I do want, I want, I mean, I, I planned, I planned to, I wanted to give the data that I have now, which again, I think definitely shows a great concern.
And, but if, if it's not acted upon today, which, which I would understand, I could understand if it was, and if it's not, I'm certainly going to continue to collect the data and try to get a hundred percent of the data and try to also understand the, the maybe group a little bit more, but I, I know just reporting from STA members, it's, it's partially has to do with, again, childcare and other districts that have these, these, these days.
Thank you.
Wayne.
Yeah. I'd like to know exactly what acting upon now means for this moment.
That we would go back to just the calendar that we've always had disregarding all of the surveys we've sent out and all the discussions that we've had, which honestly feel like very incomplete discussions at this point.
Like what, where is, where are we going from here?
Well, I think it's, I think it's discussing what the data currently says. Um, and, you know, just discussing whether or not there is a solution, you know, to the data. I don't, I'm not saying that the action needs to be taken now, but I think any, you know, any discussion can, can start to happen now. Um, but again, the, yeah, so I just want to make sure that we're going in eyes wide open as we, about, you know, what the data is showing as far as actually having enough adults to supervise kids and run the school.
So I, I'd love to say something.
I mean, I think, I think when you're right, that it's an incomplete discussion, I think we can have a robust discussion right now.
Um, for me, I never thought it was a good idea or understood ignoring the very clear days from a staff perspective, which is good Friday.
And from a student perspective, which was Rosh Hashanah.
I think that we, you know, I think our, our attempt was to find a calendar that represented all the students of our district was, uh, worthwhile.
And it was a, trying to think of the word that I want to use, not valiant attempt, but, uh, a, it had value.
It was done with good intention.
I think in the end, we ended up with a calendar that we now see is going to have some pretty serious issues.
And I'll be the first one to raise my hand and blame myself for asking in haste for a calendar one way or the other. That's very clearly on my shoulders.
I own that.
I think I, in the, in the, in the night where we've, where we voted a calendar, I think I led to a rush decision.
But as far as those particular days on this calendar from an administrative perspective, it never made any sense to me.
And I don't understand why we would take days that we know were originally put as vacation days on our calendar because of absences and take them and take them off of the calendar.
We are, you know, I want to, I want to introduce into this discussion, the fact that yesterday was the first day of Passover.
And by the way, an incredibly important holiday, we delayed this meeting because one of our seven members, due to their religious observance, couldn't join our meeting until that time.
And yet, although I'm told repeatedly, our district will be respectful of people's religious holidays, there was a math test in an honors math class at our high school scheduled for yesterday. Uh, and again, Passover is one of a handful of Jewish holidays, which requires a set of observances that would keep kids from going to school.
And we never, we do not honor Passover with days off.
Um, in the end, way more kids go to school than not.
So, so for example, growing up, I was not religious to the point where my kid, my parents didn't send me to school on Passover.
Adam, I don't think I'm saying anything out of turn to say that your children, I imagine, don't go to school on Passover.
Correct?
So, you know, but we know in this town that Good Friday and Rosh Hashanah are days that we will have absences that bring our school to a halt. It seems stubborn for us to choose not to acknowledge that in haste.
And again, I blame myself.
We put two days on our calendar that are going to be logistic nightmares.
That's something I just think feels stubborn.
And if there's a way to put all five holidays we attempted, six, because I wanted the second day of Rosh Hashanah. But acknowledging the second day of Rosh Hashanah absence data doesn't matter. If there's a way to put all five holidays on it, I would vote right now to do that. So we can look at what the end date is with all five holidays on it. And I personally would support that right now because I think that those two days, Rosh Hashanah and Good Friday, are necessary to put back on this calendar.
And so if the way to do that is to add all five days so that we are equal in our representation, I would support that, regardless of the fact that that leads us into pretty far in the year.
To me, I'm acknowledging where my stubbornness in needing a calendar right then led us to a problem.
I absolutely own that right here.
But to me, having a calendar that doesn't put Rosh Hashanah and Good Friday back on it is a calendar that doesn't work. And I have a hard time believing that we're not going to, at least in the last minute, put them back.
And it seems, I mean, Mansfield tried it without Good Friday, and they literally put it back with days to spare.
Go ahead, Veronica.
Yeah, thanks, Avi. I appreciate your review of what happened and also your ownership of what happened.
I mean, your one vote of seven in the end, as you're also fond of saying. So I wouldn't take that. Sure, but as chair, I asked for a vote one way or the other that night.
And that led to decisions that were not perfect.
And I don't think, and I want to be clear here to the public, I do not believe that the calendar that we ended up at was a calendar that any member of this committee had argued for in public, that we had discussed.
You know, to Wen's point, I don't, Wen, I just saw you raise your hand.
If you argued for a federal only holiday in public, then I believe you totally.
I just, I don't, I didn't, I've read people that said we never discussed this in public.
And I just want to be clear here in public in front of folks that I view the calendar we ended up at as the responsibility or and or fault of myself as chair asking us to get to a place that we could all, that we could pass that night. And that's on me.
That's on me. And I think it led to folks who, you know, the vote was public.
So I'm not, again, saying anything I'm not allowed to. Adam and Prisnell voted no.
I was a yes vote.
It's a vote I regret because it was a hasty decision.
And I think it led us to not only hurt throughout our community, but also administrative problems.
We are going to have problems when folks don't show up to school.
That's going to be a reality.
So sorry, Ron, I didn't mean to step on you there, but I'm saying it's not sometimes.
Yes, it's about who votes. But in that case, I own the fact that I asked us to get to a place that we could pass that night.
Okay. No, thanks. I just wanted to remind everyone that, and I know you know this, Avi, but adding days back does open up the conversation about the start date of school, I would think. And so we just want to be mindful that a discussion tonight, I would hope that we would also, given the fact that we did something hasty before and now have to rethink it, we have to involve our teachers in the conversation.
So I just wanted to kind of remind folks that this discussion is important and wonderful and people should air their views.
But, you know, wanting to make sure that in any question of adding days back, we have other stakeholders that we want to include in the conversations.
Adam? Adam?
Yeah, thanks, Veronica, and thank you for raising that point.
So I think one of the reasons why we tried to move at that point to get a calendar was to give some people certainty about kind of what the next school year would look like and when we would start.
And so I know a lot of people have already made plans based on that start date.
So from my perspective, I don't think we can move that. I think there is no alternative that I think is reasonable or fair to parents other than kind of extending on the back end where I think probably there are fewer plans that would be disrupted as opposed to the beginning of the school year.
So just from a stakeholder perspective as well as kind of setting expectations with parents.
And I think it's actually important at this point for anyone watching or reading about this. I don't think we should even broach that topic of saying, well, wait a minute, maybe the plans that you've made kind of for that week at the end of August are now going to be thrown into flux because school will be starting or we'll change the start date. I think we should actually be very clear that we can't, like, we're not going to move that start date.
I support that, Adam.
Sean?
I was coming on here to support Adam. I completely agree.
I think we presented a plan to the public. I think that the calendar committee did extensive amount of work and that at this point we can't go to our constituents and say, oh, well, now we're going to change it.
And now that child care that you secured for the last week of August is going to need to be, you know, canceled.
And also that vacation that you planned.
Sorry, but you can't take it.
I don't think that's fair.
Agreed.
Veronica?
However, given the understanding that we are trying to make practical decisions that don't upend folks' lives, as we've said, at the last minute or unfairly, I would very much like to request that Dr. Patel to give us his recommendation after he's finalized his surveys, finalize the information, because we obviously need to understand that we can provide a safe and functional school day. And so I would like to very much ask this committee to consider looking from that perspective of the practical nature of whether or not school is a viable day. And if necessary, consider discussing and adding back those dates to the calendar.
And we just add those dates to the end of the school year. And people have plenty of notice to know when the end of the year will be.
So on the understanding that we're not going to change the start day, I would like to have that data finalized with a final recommendation from Dr. Patel to us regarding whether or not that first day, Rosh Hashanah and Good Friday might be considered to be added back to the calendar.
I'm going to call on you, Shauna, in a second. I just want to provide, in the interest of transparency, a chair's note, if you will.
Dr. Patel let me know that the data was not complete and that the timeline on that data may not be he might not have that data complete by the time that our last meeting before the election takes place.
Knowing full well that we have multiple people on this committee who are not running, so we'll not be back here. It felt to me like the thing that we could do the most fairly is the word I want to use, was to present the opportunity to take that, to make that change with this current group.
Knowing full well that there are folks who are, I believe, would vote no based on their previous stances.
But it felt unclean to me to wait until this committee had changed and then bring back a new set of data and then possibly vote to make a change that this group, to Shauna's point, worked hard on.
So for me, I hear you, Veronica, and it feels to me like that's the way that the group is going to go anyhow.
But that was my thinking.
The reason that I brought this now, regardless of Dr. Patel not having the data in full at this moment, was that it was becoming clear where that was going to lead.
Seeing Mansfield make that last minute change was something that stuck out to me.
And it felt we've worked really hard for three years together.
I think we formed relationships of respect. And it felt to me like I would be uncomfortable and offended if I were a member leaving the committee who then had something that was important to me reversed right after I left.
That was my thinking.
Full disclosure.
Shauna?
So I guess if we were...
So Veronica, I completely hear what you're saying. I appreciate kind of the sentiment.
And Dr. Patel, I understand the concern.
I guess my question is, how is this any...
How is this situation realistically any different than if Sharon called a snow day and surrounding towns didn't have a snow day and the teachers had to stay home with their kids, right?
Or like we couldn't get enough teachers in, right? Like I guess there are similar parallels that we could draw.
And I don't know that...
I don't know. I'm just... I'm struggling with the fact that we may have to look to add back.
Given that like, you know, snow days happen.
And I...
Sharon might be closed, but you know, where I teach isn't.
But I still have to figure that out. And we still run as a school district.
I guess what I'm trying to look at is look at historically whatever our worst day's been. And we have a sense of how close to the point of not functioning they are.
So if our worst days are...
You know...
What did I say?
You know, our worst days are like approximately...
You know, 12, 13 percent.
Or 13, 14 percent.
If we know...
You know...
Yeah, it's partly predicting.
Like we could...
You know, so if we know, okay, we can handle 15, 16, 17 percent.
We can handle a few more percent.
And it will be supervising kids more so than regular instruction in some cases.
But we did that, you know, a couple of times during COVID.
So if we can handle, you know, as far as safety, you know, 16, 17 percent.
If we look at the data and it shows that we're going to have 20 percent absent or 18 percent, then we're getting to a point where, you know, it wouldn't be responsible to have kids in knowing that we can't function.
So, yeah, it's...
We could test it, but I'm not sure, you know, I'm not sure that's the prudent thing to do on days with the data shows that we're going to have absences that go above those days that you're mentioning, Shana, because it's a combination of, yes, child care, which might be... Or getting through snow, which might be a factor that we have in some days, but also a core people, a group of people being out purely because of religious observance.
And then also a core group of people who, again, might overlap with the others who are out because of just general sickness or sickness of their kids. So you just have an added factor that you have to, you know, predict in conjunction with regular days with respect to how many people you expect to have out and what's the number that you can function as a school safely.
Gwen?
So I've heard talk about days being added back on, and it sounds like it ranges from two to, I don't know, maybe five or six.
And I've also heard that we don't want to move the start date because we've already said after Labor Day. So if we add six more days, we're pushing into the final week of June.
But I don't think six more days. We will not have sufficient.
So we're just going to add two more days, right? At this point, I am livid.
So I'm trying to be very, very coherent despite that.
We are talking about adding how many days back?
Which days are we going to add back?
I had said that I would support five days.
My point in my comment is that- Five pushes us to the very last, or at least very close to the very last week in June, where we need to allow five plus days for snow days. So there is a scenario in which we will overlap snow days and the first week of camp, or we'll overlap snow days and July, which is the end date, a hard end date for schools.
Never, and you know, we, this STA was so clear about how learning loss happens toward the middle of June and how hot it gets in the building.
And, you know, I'm actually not going to touch this because I can't speak about this at the table. So I would just like to know what the proposals are so that I know what I can expect from this meeting or from the next meeting.
And I would also like to say that the data that we have, I know it's the data we have, data is often incomplete.
In this district, which is 35% Asian, 35% Asian.
I think someone once asked, said that, you know, maybe some of the cultural groups in this community have to put their boots to the ground or whatever the phrase is. So many cultures who have to make a really tough decision between choosing between their culture and their religion and education in, in this American society, they've made that choice, that very tough choice year after year after year.
And now I guess we have to, what, organize a walkout so that they can make that point heard, despite that this is, this is such a difficult decision as it is. I, you know, I'm, I'm going to sign off for a second.
Julie.
Thanks, Avi.
And when I hear you, you and I have had basically the same conversation for about almost, I think, a year and a half now.
So I hear what you're saying.
And the conversation has gone around in a circle.
And I think that the problem has become getting away from the attendance issue.
And this is what I've said from day one.
The purpose originally has been to take days off that we anticipate a lot of absences.
Because those days have been off for so long, the community has started to consider it as not just a day of absence, but as a day of respect for people's cultures.
So the people who have those days off feel like we're getting them off or we, our culture is not being respected.
The people who aren't getting a day off feel like basically the same way, the opposite way, like they're not being respected.
I have always thought that this was the wrong way to look at this issue.
Because when you start looking at days off as respecting a culture or not, that takes us into a place where we really shouldn't be and where we should be neutral.
And I've always thought that the neutral area to be is the practical reason of the days off that we have.
And if it's based on attendance, I'm very glad that the STAA is able to get this information to us.
Then I think we have to listen to it.
Because otherwise, I don't know what we should do when we have anticipated days off.
We have anticipated days of low attendance when.
What should we do? Should we hold school anyway on those days?
Or should we wait and cancel it at the last minute?
On a practical level, if we know in advance there's going to be low attendance, we have to consider that.
Otherwise, I just, having school on days when we know there aren't going to be people there does not make any sense. And that's my two cents.
When?
I would just like to say that it is a point of privilege that you can say we shouldn't see it as this way versus that way. So I would like to say, Wen, that I think that is not addressing my concern.
And I am not saying that.
And I really kind of resent that you put it in those terms.
We have never talked to each other like that.
And I really think that you are evading the real issue here, which is we are being faced with evidence that there is going to be low attendance on certain days. And I think we have to look at that evidence and decide.
Should we consider that evidence or should we move forward and schedule school anyway and see what happens?
I don't think that's an unrealistic question to ask.
And I don't think that it is reasonable to address the question that way. Because you and I both know that this was originally an issue of attendance and it should be kept to that issue.
Wen?
I guess I want to just comment a little bit.
I think both those things can be true. I think it is a point of privilege to be able to speak without, you know, say my holidays being impacted.
And there is a practical matter that we can't ignore at the same time.
I think both those things are true. And I feel for, you know, Wen in her perspective because I think it's real and it's valid.
And the reality of the pragmatics of it is are valid too.
We have to figure out how we manage that.
I want to add a point.
Honestly, at the risk of involving myself in this. Because I think the tone of this is getting a little bit weird.
But I think there's a straw man argument being made here in the sense that I haven't heard anybody at the table actually except you, Wen. To be clear, the only person that I've heard give a reason that sounded like it was advocating against adding the three holidays of Diwali, Eid, and Lunar New Year was you who mentioned how long, how late in the year it was. I actually specifically said that to me it seems there's a logistical reason why we can't have school on Good Friday and Rosh Hashanah.
And so those should be added back.
And that to me that meant adding the five days.
So it feels like there's a step being skipped here where like, so in other words, I respect your right to choose to leave those holidays off over staying late in the year.
But to be clear, it feels like you're putting that priority statement on others.
And for me, I don't know if I'm included in that statement of privilege.
But I would say that I have not made the statement that to me I would choose to get out earlier over honoring those cultures.
I actually feel like the loudest two cultures that I've seen speaking about the decision we made were certainly the Jewish community on social media, through our emails.
And then next, our Muslim community, who felt like we were going to be giving Eid off. At a time where where they were feeling very much like their kids need.
A sense of belonging in our district.
And again, I want to say again, this is probably the third or fourth time I'm saying it. I view my role in asking for a rush decision as paramount to where we ended up.
A hundred percent that is on me.
But to be clear, when it just feels to me like you're going to, hey, it's clear we're going to add these two days and ignore these other three days. And therefore, we're disrespecting a culture.
In fact, you specifically mentioned that 35 percent of our community is Asian.
I'm not sure if I fully understand that data point, by the way.
It's from.
Well, no, when I say I don't fully understand the data point, I'm wondering, is the 35 percent Asian? Are the 30, is that a 35 percent number that's celebrating?
It's combined.
Yes, it's combining sort of like the larger groups. Right. It's not just East Asian.
Sure. So in the purpose. But in fairness, then.
And again, I've been clear where I want to get to.
I want to honor all of the cultures that we talk about honoring.
I don't want to leave anybody out.
In the.
But for the purpose of this discussion, that is a willful skewing of data. Right. Because those are you're combining two cultures or multiple cultures.
I apologize.
Actually, it's not two that they don't celebrate or honor the same holidays.
So when we say that Sharon is X percent Jewish, we're talking about those are kids that are not coming to school on Rosh Hashanah.
We're talking about those are absences.
So when you say 35 percent, by the way, 35 percent of kids missing a day for a specific holiday would be a would be not just a legitimate would be a necessary reason to not have school that day.
So, by the way, I want to offer a pragmatic point here. If the argument is that there's no learning happening toward the further into June you get and that kids are incentivized and families are incentivized not to send their kids to school those days.
OK, I would ask what's more important.
Having days earlier in the year.
Where we know kids are coming and skipping the days earlier in the year where we know kids aren't. Like if kids if parents are going to not send their kid to school for three days, let's say.
Right. Is it better that those three days be in September?
And April.
Or that those three days be the last three days of June. So I am not advocating for kids not going to school the last three days.
But I would just say that you're talking about leaving days on our calendar early in the year that we know there will be no learning happening.
We know that our buildings are going to be empty.
One of them empty of teachers and the other one empty of kids.
Go ahead, Veronica.
Well, I just want to point out that I don't think that we know that our buildings will be empty.
And in terms of our our kids attendance on those days in the middle of the calendar, this is it's so much more complex than I think you're presenting to me. Because, you know, there are other there are huge swaths of children whose families rely on school for things like breakfast and lunch.
Like support in their classrooms for kids who have some special needs that are atypical and need routines that are kids that, you know, need to be in school for other reasons.
So I don't like to be necessarily discounting those families who rely on school for a lot of reasons.
And I'm sensitive to the idea that if we are adding days off in the sort of heart of the school year, in that center part of the school year, it has impacts on other kids and other families in other ways. So while some families are making decisions to keep their kids home because of cultural and religious observances, and that's their choice to do.
I think sometimes we put burdens on families if we add days off in the middle of the school year and we break up that calendar.
And so, you know, I tune into some of those kids whose families are relying on school and consistency in school.
We have a crisis of attendance now post COVID. Right.
So I guess I would be reluctant without that teacher data, right, without that information from STA to know that we can't run a safe school because teacher attendance is going to be so low that we can't run a school day.
That really speaks to me.
And I'd like to give families the choice whether they send their kids to school or not on those days that are important to them. But as a person is sitting in this chair with a vote, I really want to lean in on that teacher data to know that if I tell the world that we're holding school, it's because I know that those schools are a safe place to be that are fully staffed or staffed enough so that our kids are safe. And that's why I leaned in the direction of that federal holidays only calendar, because I felt like it gave all families the same fair choice.
They will all make decisions based on their families' needs and cultural affinities and connections and that that was fair. But I could guarantee that that school day, right, as a person who was helping to run schools, that school day was going to be a safe place to be and a productive day because of teacher and staffing.
So that's why the teacher and staffing data is speaking so loudly to me and why I am leaning on looking at those days as being the days I would choose to add back, because I hear the concern about the late days in June being not productive days and also very concerned about breaking up the calendar for a very large portion of our kids and families who rely on school for lots of reasons, because of employment, because of consistency, as I've said, and other things.
So that was really where my thinking was when I voted that federal holidays only.
And now this data from the teachers and from the STA is so compelling to me.
If I'm not feeling like it's going to be a safe day of school, I feel irresponsible, right, not to want to add those particular days back. And the other, you know, as you say, the other cultural days, which I respect folks in our community who are attached to those days, and of course, they're important to families.
And I would want families to opt for their family events and not send to school, but to make those choices based on some security and knowledge that they can advocate for their kids and that they can make those, that that day is productive because they're home celebrating that day. And the responsibility of the school district, it seems to me is to hold safe and viable school days if we can.
And that to me is all based on a teacher and staff consideration, because I think we get into a little bit of a slippery slope when we look at what is an important cultural day versus not an important cultural day, because all cultural days are important to someone, right? And I feel like we very easily start to trample on people's connections and the importance to their families if we start to, as Julie was mentioning, use other metrics.
That teacher metric really speaks the most loudly to me.
Gwen?
I knew I should have saved all my printouts of the possible calendars, but can someone confirm for me, if we start after Labor Day and we have 185 days DESE, like band-aided, plus the five holidays and plus five snow days, I'm not even sure we can make a July 1st cutoff.
So let's start there, because I'm not even sure that's a possibility.
No, I think that the June 25th would be the day before the five days.
So the five days would take us after July 1st. I don't think it is possible.
So it's not even an option.
It's not even a viable option.
Okay.
Are we moving forward?
I don't see any more hands.
Thanks, Dr. Patel. Next up, half-day kindergarten operational plan update and discussion.
Jean, do you have that? Yeah, thank you.
So we continue to receive applications for kindergarten and continue to collect payments.
This includes people who had already enrolled and responding to their wishes with respect to half-day or full-day kindergarten and making their payment.
We're still collecting those. Thus far, we only have a handful of families that have requested for half-day kindergarten.
And we plan to reach out directly by phone to all those families who request half-day to provide information on free and reduced options, scholarship opportunities, as well as just generally to understand what their situation is. In the past, the majority of people anecdotally that choose half-day is because they like the idea of having their kids only at that age go for half a day. But we certainly want to understand that there are people who are not signing up for a whole day because of financial hardship or concerns, doing everything in our power to make sure that we can help them overcome that and have them have full day. The structure half-day students will be included in full-day kindergarten classrooms.
This might be in just like one classroom or it could be in several across schools and dismiss at approximately 1230.
This will give them core instruction in literacy and math along with recess and lunch in the morning prior to dismissal.
This is very similar to what the half-day program we had separate classrooms were, but they'll be mixed in with other kids.
The afternoons will include additional instruction in literacy, math, science, social studies, and daily specials.
The rationale for that structure is, first of all, it centers the core literacy and math in the AM at peak learning times. So that's something we like to do in our elementary schools as much as possible already, and it'll be beneficial to both kids who are staying the full day as well as kids who are leaving at half-day point.
It also allows students to be evenly distributed across sections to minimize class sizes across K. So instead of having a group of, you know, five kids or eight kids or 10 kids in the half-day section and having, you know, one less section to spread across, we can spread across all of the 10 sections in the district.
Also, in the past, when full-day sections were full, there was a practice of assigning students to half-day sections who desired full-day because we were full in the full-day sections.
And this structure, which I know is, you know, we used in Holliston and used in a lot of, in several of the districts that still continue to have half-day, prevents you from having to do that. Any kid who wants full-day will get full-day.
Any kid who wants half-day will get half-day.
And again, we will work to make sure that any student who wants full-day but is having financial hardship that we work with them to make sure that they get a full-day program as well.
Any questions?
Go ahead, Veronica.
Yeah. Thanks, Avi. Thanks, Dr. Patello. Dr. Patello, both my daughters did a half-day program.
And I don't remember that.
I think one was a morning, one was an afternoon, half-day.
I don't remember my morning kid being in a full-day class and leaving behind any kids that were left in the classroom.
So I don't remember having that experience.
It was a full... That was not the structure previously.
Okay. But part of what the structure entailed previously is we had kids being forced into half-day sections who wanted full-day kindergarten because we were full. And so I'm trying to prevent that as well as, again, making sure that any family that wants full-day and are not getting it because of financial hardship, that we work with them to help them to get that as well. Got it.
So it's a little bit of a compromise.
I guess I wonder, in the past, if you've done it in other districts, do you think the kids who leave the class and go home and leave their friends behind, do you feel like that's ever an issue? And how do you think that the teachers will sensitively handle those kids who will separate midday?
It was just in my mind that it wasn't something that my kids had to experience.
And I'm just wanting to address myself to that question a little bit, maybe for families who are thinking that way.
Yeah. Well, certainly, again, we're going to reach out to every half-day family. We'll do everything to understand why they're choosing that and making sure that we have it as smooth as possible and communicating.
There only probably will likely be a couple classes where that occurs and making sure that that teacher is prepared to just, you know, just have to know that some of our friends are, you know, are going home for the rest of the day and choosing.
You know, most, again, I'm expecting, you know, again, we're going to work really, really hard with direct conversations and multiple conversations to make sure that it's not because of financial hardship and it's really because of a choice between the parents and the kids. So, you know, in doing so, I'm hoping that we can communicate that, you know, kids have choices and their families have chosen to have them come for the half day and do other, you know, learning and play, you know, on their own after school, after, you know, later in the day. And that's, you know, we have kids who do that in the ECC as well.
I mean, there are some kids who go for the full day and some kids go for a part day. So those kids would be accustomed to that.
But we'll certainly make sure that we attend to that with the few classrooms where that exists.
Again, I'm not right now, we only have a handful, you know, four or five kids who are opting for half day. And so we'll continue to monitor those numbers and work with those kids and work with the teachers where that exists.
I just like I hated the idea of what we've done in the past of where we needed to force, you know, full day kids into half day sections or have our overall sections higher class sizes.
And it's because we're not, you know, we're not because we don't fill our we don't fill our half day sections with half day kids. If I knew we would fill our half day sections with half day kids, then it wouldn't be necessary.
But it hasn't been the case in the last five, six years.
So we've so I think this is a solution that I've seen done before and we'll do it very sensitively.
Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you.
No other hands.
I did want to take an opportunity to say here.
Publicly that the.
I know it's been in the news, folks have seen that the.
House.
Path or they passed their budget or I don't know if they passed it, but their budget proposal raises the dollar amount.
Of a minimum made district.
Something like 70 or 74 dollars.
I think it's 74 dollars per student, which gives would would give Sharon something like 250 ish thousand dollars more. Um, I had been hopeful that some of the relief that might come down through the House and the Senate's budget might possibly provide the opportunity for us to go back. To free full day K. The reality is that the way that Sharon handles.
The budget cycle and funding would actually make it so that we won't.
The district will not receive any more funding after after town meeting after our budget is voted.
There will no amount of relief that comes by comes down from the state, which for just for those that don't know, the state will will finally settle its budget process after the town settles its budget.
So I just hope that folks know that because of sharing this process.
And I did speak to our state rep, Ted Phillips, let him know that this is the process.
And Sharon, you know, he was clear that our state legislators went to work really hard to try to provide relief for school districts specific to help kids and to help fund education.
And it's unfortunate, but the way that Sharon settles that is, although throughout the budget cycle, it's revenues, projected revenues that are looked at. We talk about what tax rate is going to be increased.
And certainly that's the driver of public support.
Right. People are looking at what their tax rate will be and saying, well, that's not this is where I'm comfortable.
This is where I'm not comfortable. Just so folks understand what happens is when Sharon goes to set its tax rate in November, it actually only sets it based on it won't go above what it showed projected and what happened based on town meeting.
But it does go below and state aid like like the state aid that folks like Veronica fought really hard for.
If, in fact, that does come to fruition and Sharon has given relief specific for the school district, that money will not be passed on to the district.
It will be used to lower the increase in tax rate.
So I think it's important for folks to just understand as they see these public wins on a state level and attempts by our state legislators to fix the economic hardships faced by districts because of the governor's budget.
That the reality, the sad reality here in Sharon is that that won't actually change our predicament.
So I just wanted to make sure folks are understanding that because I think I'm here. You know, I've been hearing folks that that think that that relief that's being fought for and so far being won on us on the state level is actually going to help us in this case with our kindergarten situation.
And again, the sad reality is that it won't.
Go ahead, Veronica. Yeah, thank you, Avi. And I did want to say that, you know, the next stage in the process is Senate Ways and Means.
So the Senate will look at the recommendations from the House.
And I have reason to believe, based on conversations I've had with some of the state reps, that they will look pretty favorably on that recommendation.
So there's the possibility that that minimum aid number that Avi referred to that might go from 30 per student to 105 per 104 per student going forward.
That might be something that would be the new number for the minimum aid per student reimbursement.
It could be. So it doesn't help us this year, but it could help us in the future. And there could also be some standalone reforms coming forward for education because it's the second most spent on thing in our state.
It's like $7 billion.
It's the second after health care or something.
So our state reps really understand, particularly regionally, how important that is to us. And so they're there fighting.
But we'll look for that minimum aid reimbursement to go up, we hope, in future state budgets.
But again, as Avi's mentioned, it's not really a help to us this year because anything we get as an increase will go into levy capacity in our town.
So thanks, Al.
Absolutely.
And actually, not that we want to dive super into town finances here and re-engage the budget process, but I think Veronica just said something that not a ton of people, if a ton of people do understand it, I think they don't generally think of it. So what Veronica just said there is actually really important, which is, right, it goes into excess levy capacity.
So a lot of folks are always wondering how our levy capacity increases.
And certainly a lot of that is on the front end, right?
It's decisions at priorities not to seek an increase to 2.5%. However, to Veronica's point there, it's also from relief.
If 2.5% is the highest you can go and you make your budgets based on that 2.5% increase and then relief comes and instead of passing it on to the district, you just don't raise the taxes that amount, that does go into excess levy capacity.
And I will just state, this is simply my opinion, but I think excess levy capacity is a double-edged sword because excess levy capacity is an opportunity.
It means money.
It means that you have accessible tax revenue that you could go seek without needing an override.
It's also, as a taxpayer in this town, three times over, it is a nerve-wracking thing because it means that the number at which they can just raise your taxes without you needing to go to an override increases.
So I just hope people do understand that although that will add to our Chapter 70 baseline for the next year, the increase that just took place or will be taking place hopefully, it is not something that we will see in this year.
And I know Dr. Botello and I and Veronica had had some discussions as we were tracking all this of possibly trying to talk to the town about possible ways in which we could see that relief.
But, you know, and I know, again, our state legislators certainly feel as though they advocated on behalf of school districts in their districts.
So I think it's frustrating all around.
And that is something that we could always explore going forward, having those conversations, looking at trying to understand if there are ways in which that relief can be received by the district.
But I just want folks to understand now because I have not made a secret of the fact that I would like to see the kindergarten, full-day kindergarten still realized.
And I'm still trying to work on a state level to see if there's a way for Sharon to have this problem fixed.
But if folks that saw that thought that that was coming to us, unfortunately, it's not. I just want to mention one just kind of one thing I think about during this is as much as I know it makes sense to, you know, take opportunities to lower, to not increase taxes as much as was planned.
And each time we do that, and we've done that numerous times, despite there being high taxes as a chair, and I'm not saying there's not, we do that numerous times.
It creates a gap, a greater gap between, you know, what the schools really need in what we're taxing.
And I'd rather have it be more incremental, you know, to, you know, to, once we set, we're not going to tax any more than this, keep with that.
But if something fills in, fill it in, because then I think it would, it would, you know, not, not, not have us really at some point need to say, we've got to, you know, really take advantage of the full levy capacity, because that wouldn't be fair to the taxpayers to do that all at once. And there's a lot of levy capacity.
But if we just did it a little bit each year, a little bit more true closer to 2.5 each year, based on the reality of July 1st numbers, not just November and December numbers, then it might be felt incrementally by the taxpayers would be a lot less painful.
So something for a wider discussion with the town, I think. Yeah.
All right.
Thank you for that update.
Next up, initial discussion of school committee policy, KCD, public gifts to the schools, review discussion, next steps.
Yes. You can probably keep this brief.
We received a donation, an email offering to donate money for a specific purpose.
Our policy actually states that the district cannot, or that we do not take in money and allocate it to a specific purpose.
We can accept donations, but they are at the discretion of the school committee of their use. And so rather than take that in and risk having folks say, hey, I wish that we could do this. It just felt a little bit more worse before the cart to just put that policy on the table and ask if there was an appetite to ask the policy subcommittee to change it.
And if there is, then we can go that route. And if there isn't, then we've done what we've done. And that's easy enough.
And we can then entertain the donation at a future meeting with the folks offering the donation, understanding that those are the rules of engagement.
So just putting it on the table.
Are there folks, go ahead, Julie.
I think I just want to make sure I understood what you said, which is, do we want to change our policy so that we would consider accepting gifts that were directed for specific programs or purposes?
Correct.
And in what way, if we were, in what way would we want that to go? Is that kind of what you're saying right now?
Yeah, essentially.
Okay. Yeah.
And I think when the policy subcommittee, if they look at that, they'll see that the MAC policy kind of is as in between with that. It allows for someone to give their intention.
So there's nothing wrong with giving your intention.
And it still gives the discretion to the school committee as to how it's used. But so it still allows for the school committee to understand the intention to consider that, but gives us the ultimate decision.
So I think in subcommittee, we can look at the combination of those two policies as well as any ideas on how to alter them. Adam, chair of the policy subcommittee.
Adam, chair of the policy subcommittee.
Sorry. Yeah. From my perspective, I'm more than happy to take a look at this within policy subcommittee.
And I'm also happy to hear feedback in this meeting.
Sure.
Yeah.
All right, folks, feel comfortable with that. I will say that we're giving a little bit of direction to the policy subcommittee just so that policy subcommittee doesn't have to bring it back and then bring it back. I think for myself, especially after some discussion with Dr. I generally tend to lean towards being in a lot in alignment with MASC.
I think that there's especially when it comes to things of financial matters, it seems to me that there's probably wiser minds than I involved on a statewide level.
So that would be that. That's my personal view. All right.
Go ahead, Adam.
Yeah. So I just want to be clear for other members.
If you have an opinion in terms of, yes, we should allow donations to be directed to a specific program or area of the district versus, no, I don't think we should or we should be, we should take input, but we shouldn't kind of allow those donations to be specifically directed.
Please, please share your feedback.
Like now is a great time.
Julie. Well, I think that, I think it's wonderful.
People want to make a donation to a specific program.
And I think that, you know, in the event someone is pulling a prank or pick something inappropriate.
I mean, we can reject the gift.
Right. I mean, it's not like we have to accept money that somebody donated.
Correct.
Right. That, that's correct.
I think probably, right.
Like you could argue for and against this. One of the arguments against allowing directed donations may be that it could create some form of inequality where if there are, you know, parents or foundations that are specifically supporting a single program, that that program could kind of disproportionately benefit or even more so than we need to, so to speak, right, the program may be fully funded or something of that nature.
And we could, you know, the district could conceivably view other uses as more efficient or effective.
So I think that's one question.
Probably, Julie, to your point, I think we could not accept a donation if it was to, you know, something kind of inappropriate or silly.
But that's, that's one kind of argument against.
A potential argument for could be that, you know, we may be able to increase donations if, you know, again, kind of parents or foundations know that they can direct that to do something very specific, could make it easier to fundraise in those cases.
Julie?
Thanks. Well, in that case, Adam, I mean, my two cents are that, you know, that would be a really great problem to have that too many people are trying to give money for programs.
So I think, you know, that would be something that would be relatively easy to discuss down the road if we run that risk. So I would be, I would be happy with something that I guess what I'm just saying is basically the MASC policy.
So I would, I would be fine with that.
Great.
All right.
Moving forward.
Decision items.
I need a motion to approve the minutes of April 3rd, 2024.
So moved.
Second.
Julie?
Yes.
Veronica?
Yes.
Adam?
Yes.
Shauna?
Yes.
Wynne?
Yes.
And I am a yes.
Motion carries 6-0.
Are there any announcements?
All right.
Seeing none. Wait, well, we should applaud our debate team because they won a really, really big national championship.
So congratulations to them.
Amazing.
All right. Congratulations to the debate team.
All right. I see Judy Crosby's hands.
Hand.
Thanks.
I just wanted to announce that Junior Drama at the high school is performing.
I believe it is Saturday, May 18th.
I believe they are performing.
And this involves kids in grades three to five.
And at the high school, it's directed by a high schooler.
And it would be really wonderful for folks to attend. It may be the last year this program runs, depending on what happens with the head of drama.
Thanks. Julie, I see your hand. Julie, I see your hand.
Oh, I just wanted to follow up with the information.
So senior debate co-captains Adi Kall and Amon Siddiqui soared into the national tournament of champions at the University of Kentucky amidst almost 1,400 competitors from 36 states and placed 52nd with speaker awards in the top 15%. Well done.
Very nice.
Very nice.
Congratulations to you all.
All right. I need a motion to adjourn.
So moved.
Second.
All right. Adam.
Yes.
Wynne.
Yes.
Shawna.
Yes.
Veronica.
Yes.
Julie.
Yes.
And I'm yes.
Motion carries.
So have a nice night.