School Committee - December 18, 2024
School Committee, 12/18/24 - Meeting Summary
Date: 12/18/24
Type: School Committee
Source: https://tv.sharontv.com/internetchannel/show/14524?site=2
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- Meeting Metadata
- Date & Time: December 8, 2024, held remotely via Zoom
- Location: Virtual meeting platform (Zoom)
- Attendees: School Committee members Avi Shemtov (Chair), Dan Newman (Vice Chair), Allan Motenko (Secretary), Jeremy Kay, Julie Rowe, Georgeann Lewis, Adam Shain; Jessica Murphy (Director of Student Services); Kristen Keenan (High School Principal); Andrea Panone (CPAC President); numerous parents for public comment
- Meeting Focus: Special education issues, high school program of studies update, budget prioritization
- Agenda Overview
- Public comment focused on special education challenges
- Presentation by Jessica Murphy on special education services, staffing, and budget
- School Committee discussion on special education data needs and funding priorities
- Presentation by Principal Keenan on High School program of studies including AP courses and GPA policies
- Detailed discussion about AP course access, rigor, administrative staffing needs, and curriculum leadership
- Routine agenda items including approval of minutes and field trip requests
- Major Discussions
| Topic | Member Positions | Key Points and Quotes |
|---|---|---|
| Special Education Services and Staffing |
- Avi Shemtov: Advocated for transparency on funding needs, empathy for families, and budget prioritization. “We must be fully transparent on special ed funding to weigh trade-offs consciously.”
- Alan Motenko: Urged provision of detailed program performance and compensatory service data for informed decisions.
- Julie Rowe: Facilitated public comment, no noted direct stance beyond coordination.
- Jeremy Kay: Asked about out-of-district placements, noting stability after slight post-COVID increase.
- Georgeann Lewis: No direct contributions noted in this segment.
- Adam Shain: Emphasized desire for data on program effectiveness (e.g. LEAP) and transparency on investments; highlighted mid-range cognitive program gap.
- Dan Newman: Connected budget subcommittee priorities to special education needs, such as clerical support and coordinator hours restoration.
- Jessica Murphy: Presented comprehensive data on staffing shortages, program descriptions, turnover, DESE monitoring plans, and collaboration with CPAC.
- Andrea Panone (CPAC): Emphasized family empowerment and educational outreach.
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|High School Program of Studies & AP Course Access| - Avi Shemtov: Supported qualifying language for course entry over teacher recommendations; balanced rigor and well-being.
- Alan Motenko: Supported phased implementation of unweighted GPA for clarity.
- Julie Rowe: Shared teacher perspective on AP course pacing challenges.
- Jeremy Kay: Called for budget presentation transparency related to staffing and programs.
- Georgeann (Joelle) Lewis: Advocated expanding AP access with scaffolds; stressed importance of curriculum coordinators as instructional leaders.
- Adam Shain: Wished to increase AP access while maintaining rigor; appreciative of process.
- Dan Newman: Suggested early “on-ramp” AP courses; queried assistant principal role specialization.
- Kristen Keenan: Delivered detailed update on scheduling challenges, AP exam fee updates, GPA weighting, override policies, and administrative staffing needs.
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|Budgeting, Administrative Staffing, Curriculum Leadership| - Dan Newman and Alan Motenko: Questioned clarity on assistant principal roles and budget detail timing.
- Kristen Keenan: Justified need for second High School assistant principal due to workload and regional norms; discussed significance of curriculum coordinators versus simple department heads.
- Committee consensus: Strong support for assistant principal addition and preserving curriculum leadership positions despite budget pressures.
- Peter Patello: Described zero-based budgeting approach; FY25 proposed budget about 2.7% over initial targets with potential cuts and offsets under review.
- Votes
- Approval of December 11, 2024, meeting minutes: Unanimous approval
- Overnight field trip for Model UN: Approved unanimously
- Presentations
- Jessica Murphy (Director of Student Services): Comprehensive overview of special education programs, staff retention data, DESE monitoring, programming needs, and partnership with CPAC.
- Andrea Panone (CPAC President): Focused on family advocacy and educational outreach to empower parents of special education students.
- Kristen Keenan (High School Principal): Presented complex master scheduling issues, AP course policies including fee changes, GPA transition, course override data, and administrative staffing needs.
- Peter Patello (Budget): Introduced zero-based budgeting framework focusing on enrollment-driven staffing, contracts, and fixed costs with identified budgetary challenges.
- Action Items
- Committee requested Jessica Murphy provide additional detailed data on special education program outcomes and compensatory services metrics.
- Administration to develop a multiyear comprehensive special education funding plan (“pie in the sky” model) to transition out of crisis mode.
- Continued community communication regarding high school scheduling, course selection processes, and GPA weighting transition.
- Planning for hiring an additional High School assistant principal to address administrative workload and prevent burnout.
- Preservation of curriculum coordinator roles affirmed in budget planning.
- Deferred Items
- Decision on replacing outdated town entrance signage honoring academic success deferred due to budget concerns.
- Further examination of AP Biology prerequisite softening and weighted GPA policies with student and faculty input planned for future sessions.
- Appendices
- Public Comments from parents emphasized staff retention, impact of long-term leaves on services, outsourcing compensatory service concerns, instructional assistant training, and gaps in special education support.
- Data noted: Out-of-district special education students about 8% of population; LEAP program success and Wilson reading fidelity questioned; nearly 300 course override requests in current HS scheduling cycle.
- Quotes:
- Avi Shemtov: “We must be fully transparent on special ed funding to weigh trade-offs consciously and to convey to the community.”
- Principal Keenan on AP rigor and access tension: “There is a positive tug of war between rigor and access that cannot happen simultaneously without trade-offs.”
- Joelle Lewis on AP participation: “AP participation, even with a score of 2, improves college readiness by teaching important skills like time management.”
- Committee makeup and roles reaffirmed per official listings: Chair (Avi Shemtov), Vice Chair (Dan Newman), Secretary (Alan Motenko), members Julie Rowe, Jeremy Kay, Georgeann Lewis, Adam Shain.
- Meeting conducted in compliance with Open Meeting Law; public records maintained for correspondence and minutes.
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Transcript and Video
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the December 8th, 2024 meeting of the school committee, our last meeting of the calendar year. This meeting will be conducted remotely over Zoom.
Attendance by the board members will be remote, and remote attendance shall count towards quorum. The meeting will be broadcast live and recorded by Sharon TV. If you elect to enable your webcam, your image and background may be broadcast with or without sound.
And I would also like to ask if it's possible, if you feel comfortable, and you're speaking tonight, could you please turn on your camera?
So it makes the filming a lot easier of tonight's tonight's meeting.
I'm now going to turn Oh, and I also want to announce that the school committee has reached an agreement with the Sharon Teachers Association for an MOA. So we're very happy about that.
I will now ask Alan to please read the correspondence.
Hi, everybody.
All right.
So this is the correspondence summary.
The school committee has received 10 pieces of correspondence between December 4th, 2024, at 9am and December 18th at 9am. We received two editions of METCO newsletter that highlighted the METCO district updates, the Museum of African American History's Living Legends Gala, and the METCO director's conference.
A community member wrote to express their support for free full day kindergarten.
Several parents wrote to thank the school committee and district for their focus on special education when developing the FY26 operating budget.
A parent wrote to express their concerns regarding the safety of the Sharon public schools football program, and to offer some suggestions for review and improvement of protocols.
The school committee was copied on a letter that a parent wrote to Dr. Patelow with questions about the substance abuse screening program at the middle school. A community member inquired about the status of students who are enrolled in public schools and are living in the state's emergency shelter system. Someone wrote in to express concerns about a proposed tailgate party that may occur next fall, and to express support for increased mental health counseling for students.
And then finally, a parent wrote to express their support for increased administration at the elementary level, and to suggest that the district eliminate the DEI position.
Thank you, Alan.
And since I switched this on the agenda, we will now go to public comments.
And I think, Ms. Crosby, your hand was up first, if I'm not mistaken.
And Adam, will you please keep time? Thank you.
All right.
Sorry.
Sorry, Judy.
Actually, I already mistaken.
I put it up, and then I put it down, and then I raised it again later. So Crystal is ahead of me. Oh, sorry.
Okay. Hi, Crystal.
I'm going to unmute you now. Hi. Thank you.
First, I just wanted to say thank you to all of you who have been listening to all the parents speak about special education and taking your time to listen and learn and respond to our emails.
It's really been quite helpful to many of us. As you know, I have a fourth grader in the Sharon schools, and I'm really pleased that special education will be discussed tonight.
In that discussion, I was hoping we might be able to bring some focus or shed some light on staff retention and how the district can better manage planned long-term leaves of absence.
Such as maternity or medical leave, as these are two areas that have been a contributor to gaps in services for some IEPs. In addition, as we're discussing budget and how things are always tight, I would also love to know the impact that compensatory services and outsourcing has had on our budgets this far. So again, thank you, everyone. We really, really appreciate the time and attention.
Have a great evening. Thank you, Crystal.
Okay.
Judy, do you want to go now?
Thanks.
So I have a few items.
I first did want to thank Dr. Patel and Ellen, I assume it was those two who went and corrected the posting on School Spring for day subs and increased the pay to $110 as it was voted on October 30th. I'm still really confused because I haven't seen any postings since October 30th for the two additional building subs that were approved at the October 30th meeting for the high school, as well as the one additional building sub that was approved at that meeting for the middle school.
And I'm concerned about this because I confirmed today that there were 10 teachers out at the high school plus an additional six staff members.
And there was exactly one sub available.
Her name was Pat and teachers were asked if they could please consider helping Pat as all the students whose teachers weren't there would be going to the auditorium for those classes.
It led to a bunch of questions for me. One, why did the school committee approve the budget to change to hire two additional building subs? And then those positions were never posted, right?
I also have a question because one thing that did change this year is a policy that I think has led to more sick students going to school.
And I think it would be worthwhile to look at teacher absences this year and compare them to prior years, probably maybe not looking at 2020, 2021 when it was, you know, the middle of the pandemic.
But it feels like there's a lot of days where you're winding up with nine or 10 teachers missing at the high school.
I know an MOA was entered into today. Julie didn't say what it was about. But my understanding is it is about having teachers who teach four agree to substitute once per cycle at the high school.
That's great, but it's not going to solve your problem mathematically.
Thank you. Thank you.
I see. I'm sorry if I'm calling you out of order.
I'm just going to take them as I see them. So Seema, do you want to go next?
Sure.
Thank you for the presentation that's going to happen today.
I I've spoken before, so some of you may remember, I have a son in kindergarten who has Down syndrome at the DLP program at Cottage.
I'm hoping that the presentation today will shed some light on the training or education that's provided to the instructional assistants since they really act as extensions of the special education teacher.
My son's IAA is with him all day. She's responsible for modifying his instruction when he's in the general education classroom, helping him when he's having some challenging behaviors.
And just recently she was out and his one to one was his special education teacher during that time. The communication that I received from the special education teacher was just so different to what I had received previously.
And also most notable was that Cameron's behavior was much different with this teacher.
And I believe it's because all the time that he was running out of the classroom or using bad words, he was trying to express that he wasn't really understanding what was going on in the school environment.
And when he had somebody who was able to change his instruction or or help him understand things better, all of a sudden now his behavior is better.
So I really think that it would be helpful for the instructional assistants to receive some guidance.
And I'd be interested to hear about what what the current methods are and if there's any plans to improve that or change it in any way.
Thank you.
Thank you, Seema.
And I'm now going to talk to Allison.
Did you get that on me? Okay, good.
Yes. Thank you so much for your time.
I just wanted to thank the committee for the attention to special education right now. My son, Benny, is six and in the SOAR program at Heights.
And I just really appreciate the conversation about special ed. I'm hoping that we hear more about efforts, as others have said, to hire and retain excellent staff, especially retaining once we have them. As his teacher last year, who was excellent, is now doing the exact same job job in Stoughton.
So, you know, that's kind of concerning.
Like we have a lot of focus on hiring, but then how do we keep people here once we have them is really important.
So I'm hoping the committee can talk on that and also a little bit on the structure of the SOAR program and other subseparate classrooms that will help keep students in district as opposed to having to go out of district for school. So thank you so much.
Thank you very much, Allison.
Donna, can you, Donna, can you tell us your last name?
Sure.
My name is Donna Wadman.
I have two children on IEPs at Cottage.
I want to be, I'm very grateful for all the support that my children receive and thank you for this time during the school committee meeting.
But I do have some concerns about the consistency of the support they received.
My child went without services for a number of weeks last spring.
This is affected, she got some compensatory services that were retroactive, but she was unable to progress.
And I pay for private tutoring.
This is a financial burden because I'm a single mother.
I have two children.
They, I had to play for private testing as well before my daughter or before my child got services for a significant learning disability.
I am hoping that we can hear plans to provide evidence-based interventions and also be pleased to hear how we can support children prior to their failing.
As you know, my experience is that my child's self-esteem has suffered through like the ups and downs of this process.
Thank you. Thank you so much, Donna.
Ben.
Hi, thank you. I appreciate as well that we're taking time to talk about special education and Sharon.
I have a little bit more, you know, niche of an issue that I'm requesting some information on. First, I would like to know if there has ever been any data tracking conducted to determine the success rate of the LEAP program.
And if there has, why has that not been published?
And if it hasn't, why not? And also, what are we doing to ensure that if we're going to have a language-based program paid for through the town that we have the most effective program that we can have? The other question I have is about what's used in the school for reading remediation, the Wilson system.
And I would like there to be some questions asked today about what the school district's position is on whether or not they agree with the program, their written guidelines for implementation of fidelity.
And if they don't, why are we using a system that we are not implementing with fidelity?
So those are my main two questions for today.
And I appreciate the school committee's time. Thank you. Thank you, Ben. All right.
Julie, you're muted.
Hi.
Okay.
Thank you for all the commenters.
And since we don't seem to have any more comments, we're going to move on to our student representative.
I'm just trying to unmute her right now. Her name is Isha Agarwal and welcome.
Hi. Thank you so much. I'm going to be giving the update today from the student advisory committee.
There continues to be a lot of excitement at Sharon High School. We have student council spirit activities this week with spirit themed clothing days, winter wonderland on Friday morning before school with hot chocolate and card making for friends and teachers, and musical performances for our amazing choir and orchestra.
Our theater company has at an excellent performance weekend for newsies.
Our music department hosted an amazing winter concert this past Monday evening, and our select choir shared the spirit of the holidays with musical concerts around town to raise money for their upcoming NYC trip. Sports teams kicked off their seasons with thrills in basketball, wrestling, and track. Speech and debate will head into their winter break after a big competition this weekend with 24 competitors at the Holly Festival at Natick High School.
The math team competed today in a competition at the Greater Boston Math League. Tryouts for Little Women are underway.
Various clubs and groups have had bake sales, clothing, and toy drives to help with people to help people that need a little extra help around the holidays.
Radio Club is having a concert tomorrow night in partnership with Care for Kiddos to raise money for children in need. The Red Cross Club is supporting the Red Cross Blood Drive this Saturday, December 21st in Grays Chapel in Foxborough, and club members will be volunteering at the Dedham Food Pantry tonight. Sharon High School teachers also participated in Eagle Feathers, adopting a family need for a gift program.
Students ran class meetings during the half day with spirit building activities and a presentation of a five dollar Dunkin card for every single student at Sharon High School, thanks to an administrative assistant who secured a donation for the Sharon High School.
Additionally, Principal Keenan is finalizing the club application process during which 130 clubs submitted paperwork for approval.
The information will be posted to students and families this week on Schoology and new clubs will be finalized soon as well. The application process includes submitting an approval form with a mission statement, an advisor, statement of meeting dates and times, and club leaders.
Additionally, clubs will determine tier status. For example, tier one and two clubs are often affiliated with a national or international organization and have various additional requirements to continue to meet continued status, such as strict attendance or competitions.
While tier three clubs are student initiated and may be non-curriculum related activities which create a safe environment for students to deepen their exposure in an interest or passion by sharing with others.
Regardless of status, clubs are an enriching and valuable aspect of our school community.
The process has been a tedious one, but we expect it will be simpler next year now that the process has been established.
From the Student Advisory Committee, we wish the school committee members and members of the community a healthy and happy new year. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Isha.
That was great.
And thank you for letting us know all of that stuff.
Now I will turn the speaker update to Peter, who will be delivering the superintendent update.
Yeah, I do not have any formal kind of presentation updates with us having back to back to back meetings, but just want to, you know, wish everyone, all of our students, families and staff, an awesome December break and happy holidays to everyone who's celebrating Christmas, celebrating Christmas, Hanukkah, and other festivities with their families and friends. And especially want the students to get some rest. They've been, again, a real spirited fall and a great start to the school year, especially with our high school leaders, but also our little ones really are kind of back to back to normal and really thriving and contributing to the school. So just that I'm going to turn it over to Jessica Murphy for our student services update. And I'll be back with the next steps with budget later in the meeting.
Great.
Thank you.
So for those of you who don't know me, I'm Jessica Murphy.
I'm the director of student services.
This is my sixth year in Sharon, and I'm going to apologize in advance.
I have a killer sign as a name.
I'm a killer sinus infection.
So I might not be my perky best. But if I have not yet met you, certainly feel free to reach out. But I did want to start by saying how amazing all of our staff are from our instructional assistants to our related service providers, our special education teachers at all levels.
Everyone is always working with your babies and your children in mind. And when I think about special education, again, for those of you who don't know me, I am also a special ed parent.
I had four children on IEP. Well, I still have the children, but only one's on an IEP. And so I've sat on both sides of the table.
And I honestly think of special ed as what I'd want done for my own child is what I try to emanate forward for your children.
And that's really important for me, because whether we agree or not, it is always about your children.
And I do appreciate the feedback.
And I can't appreciate parents' frustration with some of the staffing situations that we've had this year. So first and foremost, I want to reiterate for everybody that all students are general education students.
There are no special education students.
All students are first and foremost, general ed students.
Joey might have an IEP at Cottage Street School, but he is a Cottage Street student who happens to have an IEP. And it's really important to think about special education a little bit differently, that special education is a service.
It's not a place. And the purpose of the service is to support the learners in successfully achieving a general education.
The whole purpose of special education is not to be needed anymore, that we've given students with disabilities the skills and knowledge that they need in order to access the general curriculum.
So a little bit about the student services department.
It is actually comprised of many departments, special education, the early childhood center, counseling, nursing, section 504 combinations under Americans with Disabilities Act. I also approve and review all homeschool applications.
And I am one of the homeless liaisons, as well as the foster care point of contact.
That all being said, special education is the bulk of the work that I do. And I am so very fortunate to have great teams, as I said earlier, working for me and with me, not for me. I wanted to share a little bit about my role. It's an umbrella role. So, you know, I provide general oversight of special education and provide consultation collaboration to all sorts of stakeholders, whether it be parents, staff.
I even work with students, staff, I even work with students, staff, and staff, and staff. I even work with students.
I am responsible for IDEA and ADA compliance.
And that might include FERPA student record requests.
I participate in all of our mediations.
And if we were to have a BSA hearing, I would participate in that. I work with the staff and district and oversee any program development.
I work collaboratively with the other administrators in my department to identify professional development that is appropriate for not only the special ed teachers and related service providers, but as well as the IAs. It is a big machine.
So it is something that we need to continue to work on and develop.
So crisis intervention, crisis intervention, if there's an issue or a situation that impacts many or even a single student.
I often participate in the crisis teams or provide consultation.
And I do a lot of staff, student, and family support.
There's nothing greater that gives me joy than walking through the high school or the middle school and one of the students knows my name. And it tells me that I've interacted with them and made even just a little bit of an impact.
And so that's really important to me. I do all the grant development, which includes, per special education, which includes the IDEA grant, as well as the preschool entitlement grant.
And when it is available, the special education, which we hopefully should be getting again this year.
I do all of our contracted services for special education.
I oversee staffing in conjunction with the buildings.
I individually do all of our circuit breaker filings for our state reimbursement.
I develop the budget.
And I also provide supervision and evaluation for the special ed leadership.
But I really couldn't do it alone.
So I did want to introduce you to the special education leadership team.
Stacia Lamond is the director of the Early Childhood Center.
She oversees all of the day-to-day action down with our littlest eagles, as well as facilitating the team meetings and eligibility for our students first entering in a special ed starting at age three.
Katrin O'Kath.
Katrin O'Kath.
Katrin O'Kath has had several positions in the district since starting.
She is currently the special education administrator between the Cottage Street School and the East Elementary School.
She facilitates the team meetings and works closely with both those staffs.
Mark Crean at Heights Elementary.
Oh, I put elementary schools. Mark's only in one school. He's the assistant principal and special education coordinator.
So he has a dual role.
But the bulk of his job is working with the special education team and the special education process.
At Sharon Mill School, Liz DeShane is our special education coordinator.
Again, she has many of the same aspects and facets that Katrin and Mark do.
And Brian White is her counterpart at Sharon High School.
He oversees services and staffing and compliance for grades nine through 12 through age 22. And last but not least is Mariel Winterstein.
She is our assistant director for out of district. And she is also a special education administrator.
And she oversees all of the out of district placements.
I'm not going to go through all of the pieces of their responsibility.
But as you can see, it is many.
Includes also the general oversight of special education programs and services at their particular site.
They are responsible for signing the IEPs as the local education authority or the LEA.
So they're committing the resources on behalf of the district.
They chair team meetings, initials, and re-evales.
They do all the paperwork associated with it.
They're responsible for compliance, supervision, and evaluation.
And they work with the principal at their building to do all of the hiring under site-based management, even for district-wide programming.
Hiring is done at the site level.
I am often the second tier of that.
And if I'm available because we do so much hiring, I do also participate in interviews when available.
They provide student and crisis support and intervention.
A bulk of their job is family support and outreach, staff support.
They work with the outside agencies.
And at the elementary level, they also help support the 504 process.
And that's similar for the assistant director for out-of-district placements.
As has been shared in previous presentations about the budget, one of the budget requests that I have put in is to include a special education clerk.
You know, when talking to our amazing special ed leadership team, they approximate that they spend about a third of their time doing paperwork, which is taking time away from supporting programs, students, and families.
So the idea behind the special education clerk would be to streamline that a little bit and not have them doing all of it.
And we'd have a process to have the clerk send out all of that information and free them up so that they can be of better support to their staff.
I think it's a really essential piece that we're missing.
So a little bit about special education by the numbers. So, um, uh, Jesse has created, um, a new website or page, I guess, um, the radar, um, and I forget what radar stands for.
So I apologize.
Um, um, profiles where they, um, compile information from our SIMS reporting, which is our state reporting, um, EPUMS, I'm not sure what that stands for, but many of our, um, state reports, and then they compile all of that. So, um, the numbers that they, they publish, um, are as close as they can get based on whatever date they, they accumulate those numbers.
Um, well, if you recall last spring, I presented, um, numbers from the DESE site based on, um, the percentage of students with disabilities in each building.
I couldn't get that off of the DESE website for this presentation because it has not been updated since May. So it would be the same numbers.
But I did want to share that, um, I hand ran, if you will, the numbers, um, through our, um, ESPED program.
And as of December 15th, we currently had 669 students with IEPs that are either, um, accepted, partially accepted or rejected, but it's 669 eligible students, which is approximately 18.5% of our student population.
Um, Julie, could you unmute Andrea Pinoa so that she can speak a little bit later on this slide?
Thank you. Um, so, um, I, I know in previous school communities, um, several parents brought up, um, the, um, PCG report of 2020.
Um, the project ran, it actually started, um, or was starting right when I started, I started July 1 of 2019. I apologize.
I have a typo there. It was not 2109.
Um, and went all the way to February 2020.
The report was finalized and issued two weeks prior to the COVID closure and presented to the school committee.
So the closure and the hybrid year impacted our ability to make any substantive changes immediately.
Um, the PCG report is now almost five years old. Um, so I would venture to say that if we engaged either with PCG again or another, um, agency to do a full program evaluation.
And one thing I'd be remiss if I didn't share, the PCG report was not a special education report.
When it was initially started, it was meant to review just special ed programs.
But when I started in Sharon, I started doing my, um, my entry plan and interviewing, um, families and staff asking the same questions, um, of everybody.
And it was really clear to me that MTSS was something that we should look at. While that's not special education, as long as we were, um, doing this, um, district evaluation, that we should go all the way to the beginning of where interventions start.
So I want to be clear that it is, um, a district-wide, um, program eval, not just special education.
Many of the recommendations have been already implemented and have been for a while. Um, and I apologize for not sharing that information in previous, um, presentations.
You know, when you're thinking about what to present to people, I really try to pick what is, um, the most pertinent for people.
So, um, on our district website, um, under the student services page, there is a tab for elementary, middle school, and one for high school.
Um, with a program description for every program that we have with an exit and entrance criteria, um, on it.
Um, we've worked to improve and provide consistent and equitable training for teachers.
For example, approximately 40 teachers attended the Wilson three-day training since September 2022.
A majority of the staff did attend during the 22-23 school year. New hires are offered, um, to attend the Wilson three-day upon starting.
Um, two years ago, we purchased WordlyWise.
It's a vocabulary program that helps support, um, reading comprehension for all special ed staff to use at their grade levels.
And we've also added many, um, online materials.
Um, and it doesn't mean that we put a child in front of an iPad and say, have at it. Um, while it's not an exhaustive list, we have added IXL, um, MobiMax, ReadLive, which is the digital version of Read Naturally, which has expanded, reading A to Z, and we increased our Lexia licenses.
Um, and one of my very favorite things to do is my time that I spend with the CPAC.
Um, I meet with the executive board, um, monthly.
Um, and so, Andrea, I'm going to turn it over to you to talk a little bit about what you guys are doing, because you're doing some amazing things, and the work that we all do together.
Oh, thank you. Andrea Panone, Thank you. Andrea Panone, It's our privilege to be able to work with families and our amazing staff and administrators.
Um, yeah, so as Jessica mentioned, and for those of you that don't know me, my name is Andrea Panone.
I'm the president of CPAC.
I have, um, two children with IEPs.
Um, one is now a 12th grader and about to graduate.
So I guess that technically makes me a veteran, uh, and an eighth grader. Um, and one of the things that we like to do is work with families.
So we do meet also with Jessica and individually with families and as a group, we really try to reach out to families and make sure that they are empowered.
So when you go to your IEP meeting, you're not bamboozled by all the acronyms.
You know what your, um, your rights are and how the school system works.
You're not, um, going into it blind. So I really encourage you to reach out to us. We have coffees that we offer, uh, in the mornings for those families that the evening times are a little bit, you know, hectic, getting dinner and homework and getting the kids to bed. Um, it can be challenging when you have young families.
So, um, January 17th from nine to 1030, you can find us in Cobb Corner having coffee and catching up and sharing, uh, information with each other. And if you can't make that, we also have our 504 training coming up in January on the 28th, uh, which is really important.
Whether you have an IEP and maybe your child might need a 504 in the future, or you currently have a 504, or you're thinking that maybe your child might need one. Um, I encourage you to, you know, put that on your calendar and, um, February 24th, we're going to be having our basic rights, um, presentation.
So that one, I would say of the three, definitely put that on your calendar.
Um, I, I look forward to seeing you reach out to us, whether it's by email, we have a website.
Um, you can find us on the, um, student services webpage, uh, or just Google us. And we're always ready to help, you know, you individually with your student and empower you, um, to be able to make decisions, uh, at the table to help your students reach their potential.
Great.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much. And one of the, um, roles of the, um, special education parents advisory council is to advise, um, and consult with me around, um, budget, um, and, um, other, um, um, I just lost my train of thought.
I'm sorry.
Um, other, um, programmatic and, um, um, um, development.
And, and, you know, I, I share a tremendous amount of information with the CVAC, but also, um, in working with them, they are a tremendous resource.
Um, and they often share with me, not sharing anyone's names, but, you know, concerns that parents have brought to them. So that, cause sometimes people, I think are uncomfortable to reach out.
Um, it's a little daunting to reach out to the director of student services.
I swear I don't bite.
Um, but, you know, they're a great resource.
And I would encourage families who have not, um, joined or attended anything that CPAC has offered to look into it. Their meetings are all posted on the district calendar.
Um, I, I put them in every, um, summer once CPAC gives it to me. And I do send out, um, to all families with IEPs, um, the, the parent professional development, if you will, offerings that CPAC does.
Um, so sometimes people are confused when they get an email from me. Our new mailing system makes it a little more confusing, um, when it's a CPAC, um, offering.
Um, but they are a great resource.
Thank you, Andrea, for sharing.
Um, so I want to talk a little bit about our continuum of services.
Um, again, when I'm thinking about putting together a presentation, I, I do a lot of things with broad strokes because I'm, I'm talking to many different stakeholders.
I'm talking to parents.
I'm talking to staff that we have. I'm talking to members of the community.
Maybe sometimes my parents are watching.
I'm not sure.
Um, but so looking at our continuum of services, our goal is always to provide services in the least restrictive environment, which is the law, um, the LRE.
So we provide services within the classroom and sometimes out of the classroom in a hybrid of both. Um, and that could be OT, could be in the class or out of the class or a combination of both. We do also have some programs that are self-contained classrooms where all of the academics are done within their classroom, special ed classroom.
And, um, students join their, um, partner general ed class because they are part of a general ed class.
Every single student is assigned a general ed class as well. Um, and the goal is for them to be attending specials.
Um, anything that they can access within the general ed classroom, we want them to participate in. Um, and so the collaboration between regular ed and special ed is ongoing to, to help support those students.
And our most restrictive is out of district placements is not an easy decision to make.
I can tell you as a parent, it was not an easy decision to make to send one of my twins to an out of district placement.
Um, but unfortunately our public school district could not provide what he needed. So going through that grieving process as a parent, while it was the right thing for him, really gave me an insight about what it feels like for families that, that don't speak this language.
I, I speak this language, um, every day. Um, and I still felt very emotional and, um, very distraught about some of the things that went on for, for my own child. Um, and, but my job was to advocate for him.
So, you know, all my district didn't always agree with me.
Again, it's my child and that's my job is to advocate for, for them.
Um, and, which is why I appreciate, um, when parents, even when they're upset with me or, um, frustrated with the, um, the system that I do appreciate is because of the love that you have for your children.
And that is not a, a, a personal thing.
Um, but I will say that most of our specialized programs are partial inclusion programs, if not full inclusion programs.
So students only spend part of their day, um, separated from their general ed peers.
Um, this is, sorry, I just got distracted.
My dog's crying about something.
Um, this is our early childhood and elementary programs and middle school programs.
Um, the early childhood center works with all disabilities starting at age three.
We have some students that started age three and are with us for the next 19 years because they require services up until the day before their 22nd birthday.
Um, so when they come in as their little Liz Eagles, we get them ready to fly when they're ready to go.
The SOAR program is for students with autism spectrum disorders and related disabilities.
Um, you, it isn't necessary to have an ASD diagnosis, um, in order to be recommended for SOAR.
Um, it is an ABA-based, um, discrete trial program for students K to five, um, within the district.
And that's at heights.
Um, our TBL, our team-based learning program is for mental health disorders, mental, uh, emotional impairments, and externalizing behaviors.
And we do have it at all three levels.
Um, K to five is at heights, six to eight, obviously at the middle school, and nine to 12 is at Sharon High School.
And I am pleased to announce that, um, well, I'm sad to announce that our high school TBL teacher, um, resigned and ended her tenure here about two weeks ago.
But we, um, have already hired an amazing new teacher and he will be starting, I believe, right after, um, the new year. So we're very excited for Tom to come on board.
Um, the Bridges program is, um, a feeder program.
These are in no particular order, so I apologize.
Um, it is for, um, students coming out of, um, typically out of the SOAR program at Heights and the DLP program at Cottage.
Um, they're coming into that bridge and we're building their skills.
It's got two levels, um, a more self-contained group and, uh, a more, um, uh, included, um, mainstream group.
Um, but again, it's for students with, um, ASC and related disabilities, intellectual payments, and global delays. Grade 6 to 8.
And our LEAP program is for students with language-based disabilities.
It does start in grade 2 and go through grade 5.
And it is, um, a partial inclusion program.
The students in the elementary program spend, um, their, um, they get replacement ELA and math, um, if needed, in the LEAP classroom.
And then they are included in their general ed classroom with support for science, social studies, and all of their, um, um, specials.
Um, we, it changes a little bit, um, at, well, a lot.
Um, once you hit the middle school, it becomes a full inclusion program where the students are in co-taught classes.
Um, the grade level LEAP teacher is in, um, at least three of the four, um, content areas.
Um, and they also, um, receive a specialized ACT lab with their LEAP teacher that focuses on their goals.
Some students also still receive multisensory explicit, um, reading instruction.
Um, and so that would also be built in their schedule.
And we just, um, went all the way up to grade 12 starting last year or the year before.
Um, when I, um, started here, the first cohort of students was in grade eight.
So we added, um, a section each year, um, going, um, as that cohort went up. Um, and this year we only have, um, a, a couple of students in grades or a few students in grade 11 and 12. So we've combined them with one LEAP teacher. And the DLP is for students with intellectual impairments and global delays, um, grades K to five, and that's at cottage.
And there is, um, I'll, I'll be honest, there is a thin line between the decision for SOAR and DLP. Um, it's, it's, it's really, um, looking at the, the individual student's profile as to which type of instruction would be best for them. Um, and at the high school, um, we have their counterparts to the younger grades.
Rise, um, is where the, some of the students from Bridges go.
Um, and they are on a regular MCAS, um, diploma track.
Um, and some of the students from Bridges go to Pathways, um, which is for students that take or participate in the MCAS alternative, um, assessment.
Um, and again, it really depends on what track the students are on.
Um, the networks program is for students with emotional impairments and more internalizing behaviors.
Um, and I, oh, I talked about TBL, um, on the last side, but I forgot to mention that we do have it.
No, I didn't mention that we have it at the high school. Sorry.
Um, for students, once they've hit their chronological end of 12th grade, if they need more, um, post-secondary support, we have post-1, which is for students generally coming out of the Pathways program, um, that we're on an MCAS alt program.
And post-2, um, we started about four, four years ago, um, is for students who have already met their graduation requirements, but still need, um, additional post-secondary, um, training and supports and, um, instruction.
But again, all the programs have program descriptions with their entrance and exit criteria, and it can be found at the student services page of the website. So staffing shortages, it is, um, a terrible time that we're in an education for staffing, um, which for me, I've, I've done this job for 20 plus years.
And I was a teacher before that, as well as a team chair.
Um, I've never seen anything like it. And it is a national issue.
It's not an excuse.
It is just what is.
Um, so, um, I, I put a link on it, but, um, there's an art that, well, there's many articles, but, um, about 70% of the surveyed schools nationally report special education, um, vacancies in the 23, 24 school year.
According to the national center for education statistics.
What's interesting is that Massachusetts does not report.
I don't know why they just.
Don't.
Um, but I am part of, um, several, um, job likes with other directors, as well as being on a list server with about 250 directors statewide.
And they're all experiencing the same thing.
Again, I, I share this so that, um, it's an understanding that it is an educational crisis that we're in.
Um, many of you might know that the, um, the U S commission on civil rights, um, has initiated an investigation to the federal response to the special education teacher shortages.
Um, um, um, according to the council for exceptional children and the council administrators of special education, which are two, um, professional groups, um, for educators.
Um, about half of the special education teachers leave the profession within the first five years of teaching, which is heartbreaking.
Um, I've been in special education as a teacher.
I was, uh, a one-to-one paraprofessional first in 1993. I became a teacher in 99, 1994 in an out-of-district school.
Um, and when I first came into education, you could not get a job because there were so many teachers coming through teacher education programs.
Um, and, um, there was not a lot of people retiring.
Um, so, um, it's just an interesting, um, perspective in, in reflecting back on my age and how long I've been in this career.
But, um, in looking at chair and public school specifically, we absolutely started the year understaffed.
Um, we had many positions unfilled, um, certainly not lack of trying.
I have to shout out to the principals and the special ed administrators and, um, say, share at the ECC.
The amount of, um, interviewing that went on this summer was astronomic.
Um, and for a variety of reasons, it's difficult to fail.
We were short IAs in the SOAR program, DLP, and at EAST and at the high school, all of which have been failed.
Um, we were unable to get a long-term sub for the SOAR program for grades two to five.
Um, uh, Selena Kelly, the teacher, I did talk to her yesterday.
She is coming back, um, right after, um, school, um, the new break.
So we're excited to have her back.
Um, we did have difficulty getting a long-term sub for the DLP program K to two. Um, and, um, as well as a retirement for a 0.8 speech and language pathologists.
Again, all of which have been filled either by direct hires or, um, unfortunately, we've had to, um, work with some staffing agencies.
We've gotten amazing people from the staffing agencies, but it is different because, um, it is not hiring our own staff.
Um, and then in October of 2024, we needed, um, a long-term sub for the Learning Center at Cottage Street.
So the steps that we've taken to fill these open positions, we've posted on the district website as well as School Spring, which is, um, the, um, the employment, um, clearinghouse, if you will, for education nationally.
Um, we also post simultaneously on Indeed.
Um, we do get a lot of applications to there.
We, we post on LinkedIn.
Um, I personally do outreach through my own personal organization, professional organizations, as well as, um, um, previous colleagues and, um, pretty much anyone.
I even posted on my own Facebook page to see if I could reach out to any, um, new and upcoming graduates, um, that, or people that were looking to get back into the field or wanted to change jobs and come to Sharon.
Um, and we've also worked with a multitude of staffing agencies.
So again, the positions that have been filled were all the initial open IA positions.
Um, the 0.8 speech pathologist was filled, um, through, um, a staffing agency.
Um, Melissa is amazing.
And she is, um, providing the compensatory services for the students, um, that did not, um, she wasn't able to start until October.
So we are in the process of providing compensatory services built into their, those students' school year, um, to make up all of those missed services.
Um, we have hired, um, a long-term sub for the developmental learning program.
Um, she started on November 27th and we are thrilled that she's here.
It's another Megan. We have a lot of Megans and Megans in this district.
So, um, our new Megan, um, hit the ground running.
I went into DLP last week and I was like, I don't recognize that person.
Um, and did, did I miss something?
Because she was already so fluid in that program.
It was amazing, um, that within a week or two, like, it was like she had always been there.
Um, and, um, we did have a long-term sub for the learning center at Cottage Street.
We did have about a month gap, um, between one person returning from maternity leave. Um, uh, until one person came back from maternity leave or six weeks, I should say.
Um, and so the long-term sub from the first maternity leave went and then covered the second maternity leave. And we did notify families, um, what services would be missed and that, um, we'd be providing compensatory services. You know, providing compensatory services is not ideal and it's, it's not great for kids because they should be educated during their school day.
They, kids with disabilities, they work harder than anybody else, um, just to get through their day.
Um, but they're entitled to their services.
And so, um, you know, we, we work really hard to make sure that we're providing those compensatory services. Um, our current openings are, um, we had a last minute resignation, um, after our maternity leave.
Um, so we're looking for a point to speech pathologists for after break, um, an IA at the early childhood center, an IA at Cottage Street, and we're anticipating a long-term substitute position in the early spring in the DLP, not for our current long-term sub. Um, we've already started, um, reaching out to staffing agencies and, um, previewing candidates, and we'll be posting that position, um, as soon as, um, possible.
Um, until we know when it's going to start, I can't post it too early.
Um, but we'll be looking at posting that, um, sooner than later. Um, so what have we done to mitigate the impact of the staffing deficits?
We've continued to provide the services written in the IEP, um, albeit sometimes with a paraprofessional versus a certified special ed teacher.
Um, but I, I want to assure people that, um, students are still getting the services as written, albeit, again, not an excuse, just an is, by an uncertified teacher under the supervision of a certified licensed teacher.
Um, and, um, we've provided and continue to provide compensatory services for misrelated services.
Um, we had some students last year because we were unable to get a long-term sub last year for a leave, um, for those related, for those services, um, as well as all special education services not provided.
Um, again, compensatory services is, um, not typically a minute-for-minute correlation, um, depending on a student's, um, need and the, um, educational impact.
Not working with a special ed teacher has, um, has been demonstrated for them, um, whether it be lack of progress, um, slowed progress, what have you. Um, but for related services, um, we are committed to providing those minute-for-minute because, um, we don't replace those services with, um, a paraprofessional.
Um, and we worked creatively with building staff and, um, everybody, everybody stepped up to support all students. For example, and again, it's not an exhaustive list, but we reorganized caseloads and we adjusted schedules, um, so that we could maximize our teachers, um, and give students the best instruction possible. So, um, so I, I know, um, a parent talked about this earlier, um, about our staff retention.
So, um, I didn't include IAs in this because that's a little bit of a, of a different, um, um, uh, cohort and, um, people go into being paraprofessionals or leave it for, for a variety of reasons. But I went through our, um, special ed teachers, our school adjustment counselors, our OTs, our PTs, our speech pathologists, um, and our, um, school psychologists and all of those related services and looked at where people were at. Um, so we have seven staff in their first year right now.
Um, our biggest number of staff in a given year is staff in year three.
Um, that is the year that we added, um, five positions.
Um, but if you look, I don't, I'm not going to go through all of them. I'll just point out some of them. Um, but when you look at our retention and also, um, looking at year three, we, we had many retirements, um, due to, um, burnout from COVID people who had been here a long time.
We, we have a lot of staff longevity.
Um, when I look at our average, our average length of employment is staff are in their ninth year. We have nine staff members in their ninth year, um, which is tremendous.
We have six staff in years 21 to 27 and two year, two staff that have been here 30 plus years. And I don't know how that's possible because those two are about 37 years old.
So, um, I'm not sure how that worked, but, um, as you can see, we, we don't actually have a lot of turnover.
Um, our difficulty is filling, um, the newer positions, um, and the subbing positions.
Um, so I just thought it was interesting to share.
And, um, we do have an amazing staff.
I am so fortunate to be part of such a committed team and none of these, um, people could do it without the amazing work of the, um, instructional assistants.
So, um, I really appreciate everything that people do. Um, so we are in our tiered, um, focus monitoring year, um, for their onsite verification phase.
Jesse will be onsite, um, and your voices will be heard.
You have an opportunity to participate in it as parents.
Um, they are going to be onsite the first week of April, 2025.
I'm not sure of the dates yet, but they come out, they review records.
Um, they select sample records.
Um, they'll give me requirements for a self-assessment.
Um, they'll review those as well as ones that they've chosen from certain, um, special education, um, disability groups or, um, uh, placement types, for example.
Um, and they also, um, review additional documents for special education or civil rights.
They do parent surveys.
Um, parents will be sent a survey, um, to solicit information regarding your experience.
And I implore all of you to be so honest because it only helps us grow, you know, whatever the district, um, that DESE identifies either partially implemented or not implemented.
It is areas of growth for us.
And it's helpful because it helps us to continue to grow.
Um, they look at our procedural requirements and our related services.
They'll also interview staff, um, consistent with the specific criteria, um, selected for the onsite verification.
Again, um, it got cut off on my presentation.
I don't know if you can see the bomb. I will be providing more information as I get it.
Um, they usually start training, um, myself and our special education, um, administrators on the process about 14 weeks before they come out.
They'll also do interviews, um, of the parent advisory council, the CPAC, um, and other telephone interviews.
I know that in, um, my previous district, they, um, um, have interviewed parents, um, and members of the general public. Um, and they also come out and they tour our classrooms and facilities and, um, used to look at our delivery of programs to determine, um, our compliance with program requirements.
I'm sorry.
I'm starting to lose my voice. Um, some of the, um, areas for continued growth that we've identified, again, not an exhaustive list. Um, but we really do need to increase and improve our inclusive efforts for all students district-wide.
And I want to go back to the statement that I made, um, on slide two about how all of our students are generalized students.
So while everyone, myself included, will always think or have always thought that inclusion is based on special education, it's actually the entire district needs to work on our inclusive efforts, um, so that we have the most welcoming and, um, um, accessible general education, um, setting that we can district-wide.
Communication with families, um, will continue to be worked on at all levels. Um, and it's something that we, um, already started working on. One thing about communication is that under site-based management, most of the communication should come from your child's school.
There are times that I send out the communications, um, but that's really taking it out of the school level. Um, but it is something that we, as a district leadership team, recognize needs to be, um, increased and improved upon.
Um, and we need to continue to broaden our repertoire of instructional programs and deficit skill areas.
For example, um, I am looking at grant opportunities to provide, um, some OG training, um, through ISME, which is, um, the Institute for Multisensory Education.
I cannot remember off the top of my head right this second, um, what it is.
Um, and I'll be offering that to teachers once the grants come in. Um, and working on, and that's just one example.
There, there are other, I'd like to include, um, some training on the London Mood Bell programs, um, as well as Project Read, um, in order to really, um, broaden our, um, repertoire of multisensory, um, research-based programs for teaching reading.
Um, we, we, we use Wilson initially because, um, historically you could not do, um, uh, OD training cost-effectively and train many people.
I will say, um, that when I look at the number of students going in to LEAP, um, the, the numbers are much lower than they have been, um, historically because there are now teachers that have at least the Wilson three-day.
We do have some teachers who are Wilson level one and others that are in the process of training right now.
Um, the three-day does give you the ability to utilize our program.
In fact, it says it right on the certificate of completion. Um, but there's always more training to be done.
We are not wedded to Wilson itself, but it was really important to look at what was going to be able to be provided across, um, multiple levels and multiple people.
Um, one thing that, um, I think it's important to, um, point out is that, um, like I said, the LEAP program, the eighth graders were the first cohort when I started here in 2019, the, the students that were in eighth grade in 2019 and 2020 were the first cohort.
So I inherited a program that I didn't design.
And, um, so in looking at, um, the, the data, which you're correct, it is not published.
Um, but looking at student growth, I felt like it's really important to look at the whole trajectory when we have, um, a program that went all the way up to grade 12. So we will be compiling more of that information.
Um, and we also, um, recognize that we need to broaden our recruitment efforts for staffing.
Um, in the past, we've tried things like Handshake, which, um, goes right out to, um, college students, um, based on their, um, area of interest or, um, their major.
Um, it was a little bit cumbersome, so we need to look at some other, other ways.
And as a district, while MTSS is not special education, um, myself along or supporting, um, Dr. Jocelyn and, um, the, um, regular ed, um, uh, reading specialists, um, curriculum coordinators, really looking at broadening our MTSS interventions district-wide.
Um, and if you want to meet with me, I'm a pleasure.
Um, I would love to meet with you. I do offer virtual office hours.
The link is here, but the link is in, um, my email, um, signature.
It will say, um, virtual office hours.
It will say, do you want to meet?
You click on that. And whether I send it from my cell phone or my, um, um, desktop or laptop on my desk, um, the link is there.
And it's also on the student services, um, webpage with a link there.
You click on the link.
You choose a time. Um, the meeting automatically pops up and shows up in my calendar as confirmed.
In fact, a student, um, I'm meeting with a student on Friday at one o'clock because they picked a virtual meeting time to come talk to me about some things that they want to explore.
Um, and once you've picked that time and confirmed it, you will, um, get a calendar invite with a Google meet link. And ideally I have, um, set aside two 30 minute blocks on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Fridays at different times.
Um, there are times I've had to, um, um, block out, um, or, um, withdraw one of, or some of the offerings just based on, um, other, um, things that I need to be at. But very often, um, once I see that a parent or somebody has, um, chosen a time, if I have an earlier time, I will reach out because I might have time that isn't blocked aside.
Um, and last but not least, I want to say thank you to the school committee for the amazing amount of support that you do provide for special education.
Um, special education is not an inexpensive, um, undertaking.
It is, um, mandated services.
And if a student needs it, we have to provide it. And so the support of the school committee, um, it, it means a tremendous amount to myself and the leaderships, um, both the district, um, level leadership, as well as the special education leadership.
And I also want to thank, um, uh, Dr. Patello, um, Dr. Jocelyn and, um, Ellen Winamore for the support that they provide for special education, because it is true, it takes a village. Um, and we all come with our areas of strength and areas, um, that need support.
And so working together, teamwork makes the dream work.
So that is my presentation.
Thank you so much, Jessica.
Um, I think that that addressed definitely at least some of the comments that, um, we received.
And I, I think that was an incredible overview for, um, the school committee and for the community at large, and I really appreciate all the time that you, you clearly put into this. It was very helpful.
Um, thank you.
So I know you're not feeling great, but I'm going to ask the, um, school committee if, if they have questions for you to address.
Um, so Jeremy has a question.
Go for it.
Sure. Yes. I had a question on out of district placements.
Sure. Um, and I, I've, I've been learning about them a lot since joining the committee, um, spring.
What, what are our trends there as kind of like a percent of students in out of district placements and has it been changing over time? I know the total IEP rates have been increasing, but what have we been seeing there and how do we expect it to trend?
Um, so, um, that's a multi-layer question.
So let me think of the best way to answer it. So throughout the years, like I said, I've done, I've done this for two decades.
There, it, the, the trends ebb and flow of, you know, the types of students, um, or I shouldn't say the types of students, the students needs that require a more restrictive environment.
Um, we have, um, students out for a variety of different reasons.
Um, we, um, because the, the number of students compared to the number on IEPs is lower, um, without identifying or having people feel like, you know, I was talking about their children.
I'm hedging it a little bit, not because I don't want to give you the answer. I'm trying to preserve that. Um, but I would say certainly since COVID, the, the trend and need has been, um, students with, um, emotional impairments, um, and, um, as well as, um, students with, um, multiple needs, um, as well.
Did I miss any of it?
I'm sorry.
Oh, I was just wondering how, how the share was trending.
Is it, it's, um, it's like, it's increasing, decreasing.
So it, oh, I'm sorry.
So, um, it, I mean, it's increased a little bit. I w I will say, um, that prior to my incoming, um, when I got here, um, there were students in district that I honestly felt like we were doing a disservice to.
So, um, some of the numbers went up because, um, I, I, I live by the screen that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something, you know? And so looking at what students needed, were we really providing them a free and appropriate education?
For some students, we were not, we could keep them here. Um, so our numbers did raise a little bit, but they've been pretty static for the last couple of years.
You know, students graduate and other students, um, go out.
What's difficult is, um, sometimes you get a move in person that's already out of district.
Um, and if they move in prior to April one, we pick up that cost July one.
Um, if one of our students moves out after April one, we still have that cost for the following year.
Okay.
Okay.
Any more questions, Jeremy?
Good.
Good.
Um, Alan.
Thank you.
Uh, Jessica, first of all, if you haven't taken a sip of fluid or.
I know I'm really parched.
Thanks.
Yep. Please take a, take a minute. And I've been drinking as you were talking, so, um, those are the slowest I've ever talked. I have to be honest.
Well, thank you for the presentation.
I know it's hard to, to try to give a 50,000 foot view and a 10,000 foot view for a buried audience. And I think, you know, I have great respect for the way you tried to thread that, but I will ask, you know, there wasn't a lot of program performance or service delivery data in there in terms of, um, aggregate data about, I would say maybe how we're doing.
So, you know, for example, the Jeremy's question about like, of the students on IEPs, what percentage are going in district versus out of district?
You know, what's the level or, of our, um, um, I want to say restorative services, but that's not the right word.
Um, I apologize.
The word popped out.
Um, but the, the makeup services that we're offering to students and we can't deliver them in the timely way that, that we would tend to do. Are we able to collect that kind of data of like how much, how much of that we're delivering, let's say this year versus last year? Because I think, you know, if we think about our purview of the school committee, we've made, we've made sort of two assumptions, I guess I have, I'll speak for myself.
One is, is that, and your presentation backed this up, that we have some staffing challenges.
The other is that we need to dedicate some funding in the budget to special education.
And that's a priority that we're going to undertake as we begin to talk about the budget for the coming fiscal year. But without the sort of service delivery data, it's hard to know if there are other areas where we could be, um, supporting the program and also where really we're, we're excelling and, and, and not excelling, I guess.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, no, it does. So a couple of things. So I did a little quick math and I, I hope it's right because I was parched and I'm not sure I can think clearly, but, um, uh, 0.8%.
So less than 10%, 8% of our special ed population is in out of district placements, which is not a high number. Our programs, um, and that those are kids that have exhausted every program that we have, um, based on their needs, you know, um, are again, with, without outing families or students, it's, it's, it's uncomfortable for me to, to share certain numbers.
Um, but I will tell you that, um, many of our programs have 10 or more students in them, um, which is a significant number in programs.
Do I think that there are different programs that we should have? No, I, I think that, um, we have, um, programs that, um, meet the needs of different disability types.
But again, special ed is not a program or a place.
It is services.
So, um, it's really when students have exhausted all of the services or we aren't able to meet those students' individual needs.
Um, it isn't an easy decision.
And all of those recommendations, um, are before team will can make that recommendation.
I sit with each of those teams and review that individual student's data before any recommendation we've made to make sure that we have exhausted everything.
Um, I think that the, I mean, I started here and we were at like 14% in special ed at 18. And that, that trend is in line nationally.
Um, we've also added three special ed teachers at one at each elementary school.
We've added four leap teachers at the high school.
Um, you know, so I think that we've added school adjustment counselors either through, um, a grant.
We added one through the budget last year. Why should I add that on that side?
Um, you know, could we add more?
Absolutely. There's always more that could be, be had. Do I think that we are missing something?
No, I don't think we're, we're missing something because each student is different.
You know, there's always a saying, um, I have a son with autism.
So, you know, I, I always tell people, if you've met Colin, you've met one person with autism because every person with autism is different.
And that's like that for every disability.
Um, and so, um, we have students that will be out of district and they come back for our post programs because the better program than an out of district program.
So, um, it, it does ebb and flow, um, that way a little bit.
I know that's not as specific as you want. Um, but it's the real answer.
So I guess, let me just, I'll, I'll see the floor in this. I appreciate what you're saying. And I, and I hear you loud and clear.
I think your, your act and act, your, um, your comment about your son is, is, is it apt in what I've heard before?
I don't want to, I don't want to harp on out of district versus in district. I think it's just one metric to me, you know, the, the amount of, um, restorative services we're providing, like, I guess I'm just wondering, you know, following the presentation, if there's additional kind of data points that you think aggregately you can share that aren't going to.
Can I ask a question though?
Cause I'm not clear when you mean restorative, do you mean compensatory services? That's what I'm sorry. That's the word I couldn't. Sorry. Um, so I will say, um, in my tenure here last year and this year were the first year that we've provided more than like one kids compensatory services.
Um, it is not, um, uh, a consistent need, um, it's truly based on staffing.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay.
Thank you.
You're welcome. Um, thanks.
Alan, Adam, you're up.
Thanks, Julie. And Jessica, thank you.
Alan mentioned there was, um, just a tremendous amount of information that you covered.
And I think similar to Alan, I do have questions or wish we could get into a little bit more, uh, kind of one click down from a data perspective.
Um, I think great to, to build awareness, but then as we think about for each of those programs, how are we measuring success and how do we know that, um, you know, those, those programs are working well or that there are kind of changes needed to those programs, additional investment, et cetera.
Um, and I don't, I don't have those answers.
I know we have certain, um, kind of tools that we use to collect data in the district, um, star 360, for example.
So I don't know if we can look at, you know, the, the leap program and say, Hey, here's kind of where they started. And we're hoping then to demonstrate increased proficiency, um, and the effectiveness of this program, um, uh, by looking at kind of growth in star 360, um, or if we're looking to kind of quantify the staffing challenges that we have, um, maybe to Alan's point, we can actually track those compensatory services that we offer.
Um, and, you know, hopefully reach a point where we're not offering any. So, you know, I think that's one piece of feedback that, that I have that I don't, I appreciate, uh, I feel like I have a good kind of overview of a lot of the programs, but I, I don't have the greatest sense of, you know, what's working well and where do we need to invest and continue to improve.
Um, and I think that's something that I'd really like to understand.
And especially as we think about kind of going into budget season, um, you know, we, we have certainly some asks that we kind of prioritize that relate to special education.
Um, and I, I just want to make sure that we, we understand and have all of those present.
Um, and I'll give you kind of an example that, that I've heard from parents.
Um, I've heard that there's a concern that there isn't really a mid range cognitive program.
Um, and that kind of limits the ability of students to either get the services they need because they kind of have to be a little above or a little below and, and we're kind of, you know, playing around the edges.
Um, and it may also hinder the ability to really kind of transition from one program to another and make sure they're in the least restrictive environments.
And so, you know, I guess one question I have is, is that a need that, that you also see? And if so, is that a program that we plan to build out and, you know, how, if so, would we need to fund that from a budgetary perspective?
So, um, it, it is a need that I see, um, especially for the students in SOAR.
Um, I, again, I don't want to call it a program because that wouldn't be a program.
It would be, um, uh, uh, dedicated special ed teacher that worked with those transition population.
Um, we, we have many students that, um, are able to, um, move out of SOAR into more general ed.
Um, and it, I mean, it is an area that I see.
Um, if you want to give me a teacher, I'll take it. Well, I think I would say that, um, you know, we, we are relying on, on your feedback and, you know, Dr. Pello and the administration's feedback to help us understand where the needs of the district are in those regards.
Um, and so that's really the information I think that we can use, particularly as we move into, uh, into budget season.
Um, so knowing that, um, it is a very difficult budget season, um, again, this year, um, and again, I've done this for a long time.
Um, I try to be conservative in my request because if something comes up in the middle of the year and I need it, someone's going to have to give it to me because I need it. And so, um, in, in looking at, I always have to prioritize and this can sound awful and I don't know any different way, but I have to look at what is, um, has the most impact.
Um, for example, we had two school adjustment counselors through the ESSER grant and we could only put one back in through, um, the, um, budget, we need another one.
So there's many positions like that, that we need, but that we are able to go without for right now.
Um, because there are so many needs district wide and special ed is kind of an expensive area.
So, um, again, I can certainly come up.
I mean, I've talked to Dr. Botello about that type of position, sort of an inclusion specialist kind of position.
Um, and looking at the numbers, um, you know, a full-time person for it isn't cost-effective.
Um, so because we added three last, uh, two years ago, I felt like that wasn't the highest priority. And I feel like I'm saying that because those kids aren't the priority and that's not what I'm saying because that's that betwixt and between that is really difficult for my position of prioritizing what the entire district needs and what would be beneficial to all students, um, and what is required.
Thank you. And I completely empathize with, with that challenge.
I think what I would ask is from, from kind of my seat on the school committee, I don't have insight into, into those sets of like into the full range of needs.
And so kind of when you're prioritizing and kind of choosing to, to kind of leave the below the line items kind of off the table.
Um, and I know that this is a hard way to talk about it all, but that it, it prevents the school committee effectively from making those decisions intentionally as well. And so I would much rather see, you know, a list of those needs and hear you say, Hey, here are all of the different things that we need.
I understand that we're in a difficult budget position.
And so, you know, we can probably only get to, you know, item three or four on this list.
Um, but here is the, the full list of needs and here's the impact that not having those positions, um, really has on our district and our families and our students.
So, you know, I would ask you to bring, you know, bring that data to the table and bring that data, um, whether it's in a presentation like this or through the budget and Dr. Patelio, um, because that's also how, I mean, it's how the school committee gets that information.
Um, and it's how the town more broadly can get that information.
And I think the town needs to understand what those trade-offs are that we're making and that we're making in some cases, really, really hard decisions and hard trade-offs that in an ideal world, we would never ask anyone to make.
So, you know, I, I would just really ask you to, to share, uh, you know, share that information with us, uh, and not kind of carry that burden, uh, yourself in silence.
If that, if that makes sense.
Yeah, no, it does. And, um, it is something that I can certainly do.
Um, I do think that it, um, um, doing it outside of the budget process without working with Dr. Patelio, Ellen, and Dr. Jocelyn on that is not the, the best way to, to go.
Um, because it again, separates special ed and regular ed, you know, that I'm in a present presentation, I'm saying, this is what my department needs.
A hundred percent agree. And I'm not asking you, I apologize if it came across that way to, to kind of ask in a separated way, but like with, with Dr. Patelio, with Ellen, kind of through the process to really make the, the committee aware.
Yeah. No, no.
So I know that I've been talking for, for a while. I have a couple of questions, but I'm going to, I'm going to pass the baton, um, and see if, uh, if others ask those questions.
And so thank you.
Thank you.
Thanks, Adam.
Uh, Dan.
Thanks.
This presentation is appreciated.
It's also timely because we are in budget season.
Um, Adam and I both, uh, sit on the budget subcommittee and in addition to Jeremy.
So I think we may be both applying the same budget lens to much of this discussion tonight.
And my questions, uh, are along the same lines for that reason.
Um, we have put forward through the subcommittee and brought to school committee and, and then transmitted to the administration through the committee, a rough list of priorities this year for budget.
Um, many of those recommendations focus on special education this year, either directly or indirectly.
Um, you know, in whatever manner, manner you're comfortable, whether it's working through the administration and bringing them to us that way, or, or sending us a list directly.
Any input you could provide about whether the recommendations we're making in terms of how to prioritize budget this year are the ones that will have the greatest direct impact in your area, um, that you oversee.
You know, one lens I apply to these types of priority discussions is, um, how can we have more students having more good days in our schools?
Uh, how, you know, how, how can we move the needle or make the biggest Delta in a real way that really affects students experiences in the classroom day in and day out in a, you know, observable way to the students and their families and their teachers.
Um, you know, some of the examples that we've put forward are, uh, restoring that special educator, special education coordinator position to full-time for cottage and East. Uh, another one is the clerical support that you mentioned in your presentation.
I appreciated you speaking to that.
Um, you know, are those the kinds of, uh, budgetary recommendations that you think would make the biggest impact? Um, whatever way you're comfortable providing that input to us, whether it's tonight or working through administration, that would be way, very valuable to, I think our subcommittee into the committee as a whole. I know I would value it. So thank you.
Yeah, no, I appreciate it. I will definitely, um, have conversation with Dr. Botello, um, and Ellen about how best to get you that information.
Yeah.
Yeah. And I can, when I get to the budget part, I can kind of give a little bit of a overview of like how our thinking works.
Um, cause I think that list of ideal things we would have is, is hefty, but we'll talk about that more later. Thank you.
All right. Uh, thank you. And Avi.
Thanks, Julie.
Um, Jess, thank you for that presentation.
Um, I think it was, it was really thorough and it, I think answered, uh, a lot of questions as best as we can as a district.
Um, for me, I think that this discussion being sort of as long and taking as much time as it has, hopefully provides a little bit of feeling for families that are really struggling right now as to how important, um, both you and the district, but also this committee take our special education department and, and the note, the knowledge that we need to constantly be making changes. As you mentioned, it's an, it's an industry wide problem.
But I think as you also acknowledged that doesn't, uh, in any way free us as a district from the obligation to get better.
Um, I do without in any way making it awkward, want to point out as, cause I respect very much where you're coming from with the budget viewpoint and that we do have superintendent and the superintendent is who presents the budget to us.
Um, and with no, no slight towards Dr. Battelle at all, the budget is also the school committees.
And, um, again, without making it too awkward, your position is the only position outside the superintendent that has a direct reporting duty to the school committee.
So for me, I think the school committee unanimously indicated during our priority discussion that special education improvements is something that matters deeply to us from a budget perspective.
We're hearing really, as I know you, as I know you do. And again, I want to be clear to the public here.
Um, cause it, it is a unique thing that folks like yourself and Dr. Ritello do their job in public and hear from us in public. I want to be clear, reiterating much of what Adam said, I respect that you are towing the company line and doing, and, and trying to deliver for the town of Sharon as best you can with the dollars provided.
I do think that the school committee has an obligation to the families in our district who we're hearing from, who you hear from every day, um, that they are on an individual basis, seeing their children struggle, um, to, to put our best foot forward and do the best we can. We're not special education experts.
We're not providers.
We couldn't do your job no matter how much they paid us to do it.
Um, so we can't help these families in the ways that you can, the way that our IAs can, the way that, that our direct service folks can, the only way that we can show the families of Sharon who are seeing their own children struggle in our programs in and out of district, that we care, that we value their students, that we want to do everything we can to paraphrase from your perspective or from your presentation, uh, to help them succeed at general education.
The only way that we can do that is prioritizing that in our budget.
And so for me, as part of this ongoing conversation, knowing that we might not be able to make those decisions, knowing that we're going to have to weigh them as Dr. Botello has already indicated against other needs in the district.
Um, I think it's still really paramount that this committee have, uh, an opportunity to weigh all of the financial opportunities to, uh, benefit our students, our general education students who are, who are receiving special education services.
Uh, because again, I can't imagine, um, I can't imagine being some of the parents that we've heard from, um, as you talked about yourself in your own situation and, and having the empathy for the folks on the other side of the table from you because of your personal experiences, not having had some of those personal experiences.
I can't imagine the frustration of watching your child struggle in a district and having to wonder if the people you elect would, if, if given the opportunity, do everything in their power to help your child.
And so speaking for myself, but I think I can say that the rest of the committee expressed the same thing during our priorities conversation.
We'd like the opportunity to at least heavily weigh showing those families and those students how much they mean to us and where we prioritize them.
Um, because at the end of the day, we owe it to every single student in our district to do everything in our power to help them succeed.
And we are hearing pretty directly week in and week out by email here in person in private conversation about students that are struggling.
Um, and again, in some cases it is that it's staffing shortages.
And I accept that that's, uh, not through the shortcomings of folks like yourself, not through a lack of desire to hire, not through a lack of creativity to hire.
But if that's a financial issue, you know, I, I'd like to know, cause I'd like to weigh how we can better position ourselves to bring in the best.
Um, and also to not have the staff shortages.
I accept that staff shortages and class sizes everywhere across the district affect kids. But I also really believe the experts like yourself when they tell us that, you know, I heard here in today, this presentation that at one point we had a staff shortage for a month for some, for students who have needs that need to be met. And even if we're in compliance in the most legal terms, to me, the idea that there are kids who are falling behind one day or two days, let alone a month, I struggle with that idea. So, so I would just really ask that, um, you and Dr. Botello bring us any and all pie in the sky asks from a special education standpoint and let us come up with that. Let's easy.
I believe you can. I believe you can. I just want to give you license to do that. I want to make clear that, you know, we all, you know, um, you know, problem solve together with Jessica advocate for our most vulnerable students, including our special education students. You know, Dr. Jocelyn as a former special educator, myself as a person who worked with special education and other students and as a superintendent and parent, like we're all on the same page as far as we want to do everything in our power to make sure that we have the best services for those kids, um, as possible.
I mean, I think if you would look at our past budget requests, it is always, you know, strongly, uh, asking for special education additions.
And for the most part, we, because not only they're necessary and mandated and we all support them, you know, so there's never a hesitation to, you know, to advocate.
Yeah, I guess there are, again, there are a hundred and we also think that the other things that we advocate for have impact on special education students, have tremendous impact.
Um, Jessica talked a little bit about the intersection between MTSS and special education.
I mean, that the more that our general education teachers can understand serving kids with various needs, whether they be in special education or not, uh, the better we serve our special education kids, the less kids we have who need special education, who are misplaced because they're not progressing, but it's not necessarily because they have a need for specialized instruction.
So, you know, but we can, I guess we, we can share more, um, uh, you know, but the intersection between special education, you know, and general education is, is vast. And so when we're putting forth, you know, 25, you know, uh, of what we prioritize, you know, we could easily go to 50 or a hundred and, you know, not, not just the things that, you know, Jessica mentioned that are specifically special education have impact on our special education kids as well as our other kids. So it's, it's a, you know, it's, uh, but we certainly can, we'd share more, but it's a, you know, it's, it's something we're always discussing what we can do better for, especially our most. So let me just clarify, because if I, if I, in any way implied that you don't advocate for those students, then I apologize.
That's not at all my belief. Um, same with Dr. Jocelyn, I guess what I would say maybe more, more clearly as I flush out my thoughts, hearing what you had to say, Dr. Portello, to me, I would love to see at some point through our budget process, something similar to, um, what, um, Ken Worth put together, uh, Ken Worth put together, uh, showing us what it would take to get out of crisis mode with our maintenance, something that shows like over the next few years, how we could look at funding aspects of our special education to get to a certain place.
I got, I, I, and if I'm, if I'm wrong, then certainly just explain that money's not the answer. But if there are ways that we could be talking about additional funding or carve outs in our existing operating budget to try to get more in district programs, um, different staffing levels, whatever that answer is, again, I'm not going to pretend to be the expert.
I just would really entertain looking at how, if money is part of the equation, how we get there, even if it's not all in this year. Uh, and I imagine this year, we're not going to get it all taken care of, but I would love to look at something similar to what we looked at with our maintenance, where we could have a plan and we could look to support a plan over the next three, five years, whatever it is to get into a really good place. Thank you, Avi.
Um, Adam.
Yeah.
Uh, so I just, thank you, Julia.
I just wanted to piggyback a little bit on what Avi just said, because I agree with him a hundred percent.
Um, and one of the things that I think jumped out tonight was, um, when we look at the students on IEP, and I know that we had, you know, massive spikes during, um, during COVID, but if we look kind of post COVID, it looks like there was kind of growth of upwards of 5% every single year. Um, and I don't know what the driver of that is. Um, and I don't know if anyone knows, um, and I'm not actually asking for that right now, but, but just as we try to see a growth of your 5% each year, I'm not sure what you're looking at. Uh, we went from 14, 6.6% to 17.4%
in five years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Not, not a five percentage points every year, 5%. Um, so sorry, just year, year over year growth, um, of 5%. Um, so, but in any case, the, as we look at that, um, and try to read the future and the tea leaves a little bit, um, just trying to understand where, where do we think things are going? Um, and what are the interventions that, you know, we have in place now and that we will need and what staffing levels we will need, you know, now, but also one, two, three, four years in the future, if we're seeing trends, um, or things of that nature, um, so that we can bake that into, um, that plan that I think Avi was talking about.
Okay.
Are there any more questions or comments?
Um, we've had Jessica on the hot seat for quite some time now, and I really appreciate, um, your bearing with us and I appreciate the parents who came on at the beginning and I have written down a couple of things that, and I've been sort of checking things off. So I'm wondering if, if I send in a list of questions, Jessica, can we put that maybe in a future, I don't know, Peter, a superintendent's update or something like that? Just, you know, just to, just to close the loop on some of these questions.
Is that okay?
Yeah.
Okay.
Then I will do that.
And I will thank Jessica very much again.
Um, I really appreciate, I really appreciate it. I hope you feel better and, uh, get some, get some sleep.
So thank you. So since we were touching on the budget, I think I would like to move, um, our discussion items to, um, and move the operating budget discussion up. Is that, is that okay, Peter?
Uh, just for Kristen's sake, can we do that program with studies first? Oh, I'm sorry, Kristen. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Sure.
Okay.
Not that, you know, I don't like going early, but, uh, for her sake, that'd be good. I'm sorry, Kristen. I didn't realize. Okay. My bedtime's in 15 minutes.
So how we can work this out.
All right. Yeah, this is the first of, of, uh, you know, a couple of program of studies. So this one should be pretty, pretty good. Quick.
Okay.
I'm just minimizing this right now.
Okay.
Um, thank you all, uh, for being here.
I, I, I too would like to give a shout out to, uh, Jessica.
That was a great presentation and I hope you feel better as well. Um, I appreciate you giving us the opportunity from the high school to come present to you, uh, the first part of our program of studies.
We're really excited about the work that our coordinators and our staff, our teachers have been doing.
They've been doing a lot of hard work to make sure that we are providing a program of studies that gives an incredible amount of opportunities, educational opportunities to our students.
And I think in line with that, um, I think it's really important for everyone to know that, um, we want very much to provide kids with as much access and opportunity as they can have.
And I think that our staff works really hard every day to do that in a variety of ways.
Um, but there's a caveat to that, which is that, uh, the building of a master schedule at a high school level is really complex.
It's really complicated and it actually takes a lot more time than people I think understand.
And I, I think that we just need to also recognize that there are times, and I think this is why we try to set the timeline of building the schedule, starting with student registrations, and that will happen in February, uh, and, and that will go on for a while. And then really working with coordinators to build out sections so that there's a framework for us to kind of really, um, be mindful of how we build out that master schedule, keeping in mind, uh, budget constraints, keeping in mind teacher contracts, um, you know, student enrollment, teacher availability, teacher certifications.
And so we try to make a really sophisticated schedule.
And so at times I think, uh, what gets lost in translation is the idea that we really do want to give kids everything they want. Logistically, sometimes it becomes very difficult, particularly at the start of the new school year, um, when the schedule has dropped and has been solidified.
And so we've really tried to get better at marketing how the process goes and really marketing like deadlines for families and students and providing opportunities via zoom meetings, et cetera. And I think we're going to try to do even more of that this year, because I think the more that families understand the scheduling process, um, the easier is for them to make the right decisions for their children and for students, you know, our high school age students, we really want them to have a say in a part of their journey as well. So I just wanted to preface that, um, first, but we are recommending some minor changes, uh, to part one of the program of studies that there's not a tremendous amount.
And let me just see here. Thank you. Um, here are some of the highlighted changes that are good to know, and we'll be going into more depth later on some of these, but, uh, this past year and years prior, we had a virtual high school, um, contract where students, if we needed to give them online courses, they could take them. Uh, and we are going to be transitioning, uh, to TECA for many of those courses, uh, with the hope of becoming part of the tech, uh, collaborative.
And I think that if that ends up happening, it will provide, uh, more access to students, um, but also at a, uh, you know, a great price point, which is free.
So, um, I think it's a great program.
And I think that there are students in certain circumstances that need those virtual programs.
And so we want to make sure that we're providing them with the best that there is. Um, obviously, one of the big changes in the state, um, with the election in the fall was removing the state MCAS requirement.
So we do put in some language regarding that on page 10 of the program of studies.
So essentially for those in the audience tonight, um, that requirement will no longer be necessary to, uh, receive a diploma or a competency determination in Massachusetts.
However, our local requirements will be required.
So many of those requirements, um, if not all have, have been listed in prior years, we tended to always list the two requirements, both local and state that were required for graduation.
And we are waiting on more updates from the state so that we can make, uh, more educated decisions on what our local requirements will be, uh, whether they stay the same or whether we tweak them to some degree.
Uh, also language regarding the AP fees was changed so that that fee will, um, stay at $99, which is the actual college board cost of the exams.
Um, and as shared in a previous program, um, we are on the road to provide both a weighted and unweighted GPA to all students.
Uh, and there's a variety of reasons for that. Um, but the, the most of which is that many colleges and universities recalculate, um, grades and GPA when students are applying to their schools and universities.
And we have seen a shift in many, uh, really good high schools throughout the state, uh, eventually getting rid of unweighted GPA and, uh, I'm sorry, weighted GPA and moving to an unweighted GPA.
And one of the major reasons, the feedback that we've received is not only those schools have gotten rid of prep class rank, uh, which we have here at Sharon high school as well. Uh, but also it provides opportunity and access for students to take classes they really are passionate about, uh, and not have to worry about a weighted GPA attached to them. So this was a way to open a dialogue regarding that.
Um, and so both will be in the program studies as well. We will have some added information on college board recommended prerequisites for each AP course. Uh, this is a big question.
A lot of families have and students have as well. And so we thought it would be beneficial for families as they're looking at some of the AP course offerings to also be able to see what the college board based on their years of research and experience feel should be the recommended prerequisites for those AP courses.
And that might provide families and students with a little more guidance when making those choices. Um, one of the clarifications we're making in the PowerPoint, I'm sorry, in the program studies as well is that grades for recommendations will be determined at the conclusion of a semester.
Um, I think that's important that we get kind of an overall look at particularly at semester courses.
And we are also looking at some of the language that has been used in the program of studies in the past.
Um, some feedback that we've received is that it has been a little confusing in regard to how you get into an AP class.
You know, it might say in the program of studies in previous years that it is a departmental recommendation, but there's also a teacher recommendation.
And so in trying to bring some clarity to that, we're going to shift the department recommendation to the phrase qualification.
And that gives a more, um, understanding, I think it is more understanding on what will be required in order to qualify to take a course.
Uh, but in doing so, we also want to make sure that we respect our teachers and their expertise.
And so we really want them to have the ability to do those recommendations as well, particularly if they see a student might not have met a qualification.
Uh, perhaps it's a, you know, a B plus in a, in a course to, to move on, uh, to the next level.
But sometimes a teacher may say, well, you know, I know the student only received the B plus, so they didn't qualify, but I, I, their attendance is, is incredible.
Their effort is amazing.
They are very self-disciplined in the work they do. And, and we want to listen to the expertise of our staff, uh, in terms of that. So that is also one of the highlighted changes to come, uh, in the first part of the program of studies.
Pardon me.
We can move on to the, the next slide. Thank you.
So course qualifications generally in the program of studies historically are based upon grades in a previous course.
Um, generally that, like I just mentioned, teacher recommendations are only used to support students to take a higher level course. If they've not attained that course grade requirement, again, we're going to change, um, that department recommendation to qualification.
There does continue to be an override process that will continue to exist. Um, and it will require parents to speak with teachers to understand, um, why they were not recommended beyond not attaining the course grade requirement or qualification.
So ultimately, um, and currently parents do have a right to override and many have this year.
And the data suggests in just the past two years that I've been here, um, a pretty significant increase this year over last year in terms of, um, overrides.
I do think that Avi has his hand raised.
Oh, I can wait till the end of your presentation.
I was getting first in line. There were some things on your first slide. I just wanted to, but I can, I don't mind waiting until the end. All right.
It's, it's not very long. So, um, so the course qualifications, um, are outlined in the program of studies.
They're based on grades in the previous course.
Um, oh, I think we were just on this.
I'm sorry.
All right, here we go. Um, in terms of prerequisites in science, we will continue to require biology and chemistry as prerequisites to the AP bio and AP chem courses.
I know that there were some questions regarding whether or not students had the ability to take a, uh, a regular, uh, just go directly into say AP bio, as opposed to taking, um, a high school biology class.
And certainly we do want to provide opportunity and access and, and we would consider softening those requirements for AP bio to require chemistry, very strongly recommend bio, but, uh, you know, there are a small number of students that have very high aptitude for the sciences.
Generally, uh, you know, it's not the norm that we have found. I think in speaking to our coordinator, uh, in the science department, Emily Burke, in her years of being at Sharon high school, I, it's literally a handful of times where this has happened.
Um, but we certainly will monitor it. I know that I've had a number of experiences in my career where this has happened, where there is really a student who's so exceptional in a particular subject matter. Um, I did have a conversation earlier today with, with some people regarding a student I had at my former school who had taught themselves calculus in seventh grade, watching YouTube videos.
And, uh, you know, we went through a series of tests with him and come to find out he, he really was ready for AP, uh, calculus, um, you know, just coming into the high school. You know, we do have a student at the high school currently that, uh, similarly is, um, really just incredibly proficient in math and so has moved ahead.
So those things do happen and we are open to those conversations.
Um, but our, our experience shows that it's, it is rare.
Um, but we certainly would not close the door on that.
Thank you. One of the questions that we had regarding, um, the first part of the program of studies was, you know, trying to provide some data regarding overrides and, um, what that means and why, um, you know, families request this and why at times, um, the conversation is not as easy as just, you know, absolutely.
Yes. Why, why we want to sit and talk to families and students about it. So to give you a little perspective, um, this year we had somewhere along the lines of, you know, almost maybe 300 override requests.
Um, in terms of this data right here, we're showing you some of the most requested courses that overrides happen in. And so we had our coordinator for the math department along with Dr. Jocelyn, you know, work on some of this information, this data in Dr. Botello as well. And this gives you a little perspective.
So for example, um, in honors geometry, um, you can see the amount of students that overrode in, in that particular course, both last year in this year. And what, um, that metric is showing you to the right is the median of the difference between students that did not override, but were in fact recommended and students who did override.
Um, so you can see that there is, you know, a almost eight point differential quarter one, um, from last year in quarter four, 8.5. So, you know, in terms of a median, um, there are lower scores, right. And there's a challenge to that. And perhaps a student is okay with that. And a family is okay with that because they want that experience.
Um, and, and that is understandable at the same time.
We want to be very realistic with families that, um, there is a difference in what we're seeing.
And that is why oftentimes we really rely on our experts, our teachers who have years of experience of working with students.
Um, one caveat I want to mention on this chart that might look a little, uh, strange to you is the AP calculus AB. Um, generally that is a senior level course.
So quarter four is when seniors are wrapping up their school year and, and they've essentially taken the AP exam.
So, uh, grading and quarter four is not as reliable.
Uh, I think a data point as opposed to the quarter one, um, differential.
Um, so that's just to give you a little insight of, of why we want to have these conversations regarding overrides.
So we, yep, we went through that, um, that particular slide already.
Okay.
Thank you.
So, um, in addition, um, we're not talking about it at any length today. We're going to present again in January, actually, all of, um, the department additions, but just to give you a little preview, we have definitely added some classes and that is based on student interest and teacher expertise and reworking of some programs.
Uh, one example, you know, I can share with you right now is English four, uh, in which there will be a change to revert back, uh, essentially to the full year English four classes.
Um, but also giving, uh, students some voice and choice and how that may look. And of course, always, you know, every year, some classes get dropped and that's usually due to a history over a period of time of low enrollment and also staff changes, a certain staff member that may have created an elective or, you know, started a program or had a particular expertise.
Um, so right now that's where we're at, not a tremendous amount of changes, um, but some really thoughtful ones and ones in which I think students will be really happy. And I think the process by which we're going to communicate with families and, and really try to, um, deliver a program of studies that is clear and understandable, and also having the willingness to, to meet with families multiple times to kind of go over what their requirements are and their, their child's requirements are in terms of scheduling, I think, um, will be, will be great this year. And I'm happy to take any questions.
All right, Avi, you're up and thank you, Kristen.
Uh, Ms. Keenan, first of all, thank you for the presentation.
Um, um, in particular, thank you for, um, what I think was really clear and direct communication, um, about the goals of our administration and our educators at the high school. Um, I think this presentation for me showed a very collaborative spirit, um, collaborative with the community and the parents and the students, but also with this committee.
And that's really appreciated on my end. Um, I appreciate the opportunity, uh, for Adam and I to be able to communicate with you, um, and understand your thinking here. And I appreciate very much that a lot of those thoughts were reflected in this presentation, both in the, uh, agreement in some places, but also in areas where I think you've pretty clearly explained where you, you, you processed things that we advocated for. And in the end, uh, made a professional decision to go the other way. And I respect and appreciate that very much. Um, I wanted to express first of all, uh, support for, um, and appreciation for the change to qualification.
I think for the purpose of how kids advance from one level to the next, it's, it's much clearer for us to understand that there is a way to automatically qualify, um, that there, that there is a grade set, um, whereby which students can have, there's no subjectivity, uh, there's an ability to earn a score and get in and that the recommendation process is only for kids who don't hit that qualification.
So there is an opportunity for our educators to express their professional opinion about individuals who they believe belong in a higher class, even though they did not automatically qualify.
And only then does the override process begin if your student has not qualified in and not then been recommended by our educator.
I think the data, um, which, you know, for what it's worth, um, I had, I had always been interested in seeing because I believe it was my belief, trusting the process, that the override data would show sort of exactly what we see there, which is that our students who qualify in, um, and then again, our students who are pushed forward by our educators who know them and are working closely with them perform at a higher level. Um, I, I really appreciate and support what I know you've expressed, uh, here and also privately to us and Dr. Jocelyn has as well, the belief that we should be pushing our kids forward, that we should find ways to further support those kids and close that gap. But I also appreciate the data showing it gives me confidence in the process, uh, that it is a process that's working.
Um, I did just want to ask one question around the weighted versus, uh, unweighted GPA. I'm wondering if, um, what, what the logic or thought behind, if, if you're going to go to the process of showing it both ways. And again, as you acknowledged, I think the worst kept secret in the kinds of education that we send our students forward to is that the schools that our students are applying to recalculate those to, to, in however they do, um, they look at how strong our, our district is, how strong our high school is, what our offerings are, and they measure our kids. We have, we're fortunate on this committee to have at least two, I can't speak for Dan, Adam, or Jeremy, but I know that Julie and Alan both participate, uh, at their, um, at the universities they attended in, in the process of qualifying kids. Um, and so they, they've always expressed privately to me and sometimes hear publicly how that process works from a, from a reweighting the GPA. I'm wondering, I guess, why, if you're willing to show the unweighted GPA, and if the purpose of showing that is sort of to make it getting an A in an elective where a kid might be challenging themselves by going outside their box equal to an A in a science, why you wouldn't maybe consider just the unweighted GPA and just rip the bandaid off? Yeah. I just, I do think it is a process.
Um, the communication of it has started, but I think one of the things that's really important to me and I think our, the administration at the high school is getting student input as well and really making sure that they have an opportunity to understand the whys, um, for themselves, because I think it is, it is such a competitive high school academically.
It is. And our students are wonderful and they're fantastic.
And I think that they have, you know, they come into this school already looking at GPAs and, and how can I manage my GPA and get the highest GPA I can. And I think just kind of pulling the rug out, you know, quickly or pulling the bandaid out, off, like you said, I think that there could be some unintended consequences for us regarding students and, and, and not just their academics, but like their social, emotional health about it. I think we need to do a much fuller job with our students educationally to have them understand the GPA system and the weighted system versus the non-weighted system and, and really do some really good work, which our counselors are doing with them every year, which is, you know, really looking at what colleges and universities want and, and really making them feel that it is okay to take classes you're passionate about, even if it doesn't get, you know, um, pull your GPA up, GPA up further.
And so I just think as much as, you know, I can't, there's, there's a part of me that really agrees with you, Avi. Um, I, I think I want that process because I, I do think we need student input and I think we need faculty input as well. You know, we have a lot of exceptional teachers teaching really advanced classes.
Um, and they spend a lot of time prepping and preparing and, you know, doing professional development on them. And I think it's important to hear from them and their thoughts about it and their interactions with students and what they're seeing with students, um, regarding it. But I, I do think it is kind of the future.
I think many of our top flight high schools in this state are doing this for the very reasons you talked about and I talked about. So, uh, I just don't know doing it this year without having those conversations.
Um, it's great. It doesn't mean we can't have them and come back, you know, we're, you know, sometime in January, you know, for the second part of the program of studies and see if that, if there's an appetite for that, um, collectively.
Sure. Well, I just, I appreciate how thoughtful you're being about it. So thank you. Great.
I think Alan. Yes. Alan, you're next. Thank you. Principal Keenan.
I, I, Abby, I appreciate the question.
I, I do agree with Principal Keenan. I think you'd end up spending the first month of school or whatever first month you ended up just listing one GPA, just answering questions about that. You wouldn't have time to do anything else because I think it would be such a shock to parents and students in the district. And so I think just for that reason alone, I think you're, you're going to benefit, uh, individually if we, if we phase it in. Um, I wanted to ask about something else. So I agree with Abby. I think the presentation was very helpful.
Thank you. Um, you know, I came up at the time as I know others in the, in the committee did when, um, there wasn't a thing is called a parent override.
Uh, it was a departmental override or departmental qualification.
And if you didn't qualify, uh, unless your teacher agreed that you were worthy of their recommendation, you are to luck. And I think it's very helpful to see the data that shows sort of the challenge that students have found when parents have overridden them into a class, maybe contrary to the teacher's recommendation.
And what I also hear you saying in your presentation on the whole is that with a schedule that's very difficult to construct, if a student finds themselves in a situation where, you know, they and their parent have agreed to override the teacher's recommendation and fallen short of the departmental qualification and then they're struggling, it's very difficult.
I would assume based on the schedule to then say, well, I made a mistake. I'm going to, I'm going to move back and, and, you know, to do that in a way that's not very difficult or disruptive to the, to the, to the environment.
Yeah.
Um, so I, I hear that point.
I think, um, I, I guess I'm also wondering, um, um, and certainly there's the, there's the risk to students overall GPA, right? Like they're not kids that are used to getting A's or B's might not be getting A's or B's. Right. But I'm just wondering, is there, is there anything else, you know, and sort of trying to help folks understand why we're moving to this approach and what this data really shows from your perspective?
Is there any other reasons that that you haven't listed that, that like, this is an adverse thing?
Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, one, I feel like in our conversations over the past year, we've really talked about transparency and really trying to help people understand.
I think, you know, um, if you're not working inside of the school with 1200 students every day and seeing these patterns and having this, these experiences as a parent, and I know having two kids myself, you know, you kind of get really hyper-focused on what you want for your children and you want them challenged and you want them to have the best opportunity to move forward in life, however way they, they want.
And I think that, you know, I've mentioned this before and I'll say it again. I, I feel like, um, my colleagues at the high school really do believe in a balanced approach to education.
And I think that's one of the reasons why our leadership team read the book Never Enough last year and really trying to balance kids' social, emotional health with challenging them and providing them access and opportunity.
Um, but I, the, the logistical complications that you mentioned, Alan, to go into a little more depth on them, you know, for example, one of the things, you know, sometimes I, I, I'm, I try to put myself in the shoes of parents, you know, high school students.
And, you know, in my mind, I'm thinking someone might say, well, just, you know, I wanted this, but it's not working out. So just move them here. And that entails a lot more than I think people think, because one, uh, there may not be a parallel, you know, course, there may not be a course on a lower level at the same time, um, that's available, or it might be available, but because of contractual obligations, um, and the amount of students that can be in a class or on a teacher's caseload might not be available.
Or, um, we, you know, sometimes you have situations where we have singleton courses, you know, so if a student wants out of a course, that's a singleton, now you're trying to find a course potentially in a different department, an elective that has room, and you're trying not to like upend a student's schedule overall, right? Like particularly if a student has dedicated and invested like a couple of months into a class, and now they're saying this is way too overwhelming.
And, and we want to help support them because we know what that can lead to social emotionally as well. Um, but then it gets really complicated because then we might have to say to them, well, we have to switch four of your other classes to make this work. And then that has its own set of, of issues for a particular student.
Um, so there's a variety of reasons, you know, there, there's certainly the, the, the teacher in me wants to provide kids opportunities.
I taught, for example, AP US history for years.
And, um, one of the things that I, I changed in the midst of it was I did change the prerequisites and I opened up that course to, to kids.
And because I knew one for one, the math and science APs had, had very solid prerequisites.
And I understand why the foundational knowledge that's needed to build on those programs.
Right.
But, um, a humanities AP course sometimes can be a little different, uh, particularly if a kid is really excited and wants it. And so I felt that, um, that was important as a teacher though, who has an ego and recognizes that AP scores are publicly printed and you can see how students are scoring.
And is that a reflection of you as a teacher?
I think, you know, I had to do a little soul searching about for me, what was important.
And for me, it was the experience for kids, but with the understanding that I was going to have a different set of scores and that there was going to be more of a bell curve in my scores and that I was going to have students that might get twos on the exam. And I was going to have to be okay with that because I'm providing an experience that I think at the, at the end of the day might benefit them moving on to college.
And I, you know, I do believe in that.
I do think that that's a really important thing to provide under the right circumstances with the right courses, right. And, and the right way to do things.
So I think, you know, the town itself, and I've discussed this with some of you here, the town itself has to think about our school profile.
It is really spectacular.
You know, I shared it out in the newsletter, I think right towards the beginning of the year. And it lists like our average AP scores, our SAT scores, et cetera.
And we're, we, we should be so proud of our kids. They're, they're really amazing.
But I think the community, if you want more access and you want more opportunity, I think you also on the, on the back end of that have to understand that that might create changes in, in how our profile looks, you know, we, we might not get the level of fours or fives, but we're also providing more access and opportunity.
Right. And so these are conversations we have to have. I don't think it's like a thing where we can say, this is how we should do it. And we just go. I always really like to think of unintended consequences and dominoes, particularly when building out the master schedule or thinking of making changes to a program of studies or how we do overrides.
But I think it's an important conversation to have both with school committee and the community in more depth because I think the more we share and are more transparent about things and why we make the decisions we make, I think there'll be more understanding.
And I think that's really kind of a key and knowing that we really care what people think, you know, we, we really debate it and we talk about it and we discuss it. I appreciate that. I have one other question along those same lines as a teacher, when you open up a course like that to students who might not otherwise have qualified, are you teaching the class the same way and, and sort of letting the chips fall where they may, or are you teaching it differently to ensure that all students are keeping up?
Yeah.
I mean, I wish I, I, I had a more cross understanding of that because in the humanities for me, I knew in, in, in AP courses are taught differently now, right?
So I, I stopped teaching AP in 2011.
So it was chronological, the, the APUSH class, it's all thematic now. And the college board has really shifted in, in the ways in which, um, they analyze students' understanding of curriculum.
So I think that's important to note.
Um, but for me, I knew I had to get through, um, you know, I tried to, to, you know, make it to Bill Clinton's presidency as best I could.
And sometimes that meant I was teaching Nixon through Reagan in a, you know, a week and a half.
So yes, I think that in an AP course, because it is a college level course.
And I think that is an important distinction for people to really understand.
It presupposes that you already have some foundational knowledge in that subject area. Right.
So the idea, like, you know, so you want to balance it, you want to give opportunity, but you also have to be a realistic and because it is a college course, I think in courses like, um, any of the math or sciences, um, it is, it is so critical that they keep their pacing on, on task in really all AP courses so that those kids are ready and prepared for that exam in May. Um, so AP might be a little different than honors, you know, and I've, I've had these discussions with teachers over the years, not, not just in Sharon.
I'll tell you that, um, you know, I've, I've had teachers say, boy, since we opened this up more, I feel like I'm, I'm moving slower in terms of my pacing that I'm having to come back around quite a bit. And, you know, we can have those debates.
I mean, those are great debates to have.
Um, but I do think for APs in particular, you have to keep, you have to be very self-disciplined in terms of keeping on task, um, because otherwise your, your, your students aren't prepared when they need to be. Thank you.
Okay. And, uh, before I call on Adam, I just want to say, we had two years of American history and between the end where we learned about civil war and the beginning of the next year, we totally skipped reconstruction.
So I missed like 30 years in there. So, huh?
I understand.
Oh, good.
Um, Adam.
Hi, thank you, Ms. Keenan, for the presentation.
Uh, so I just wanted to, to jump in, uh, when, when you made the, the kind of note and comment about, um, how increasing access may kind of in turn lead to a change in kind of the distribution of, of those scores and whatnot.
Um, because I, uh, have to admit that in this regard, like I am greedy and I think that we can both increase access and try to, to really give kids opportunities, um, to be in these courses and provide scaffolding, um, or assistance so that they can also be successful.
And, and it's my personal expectation, at least that, um, we can both open up access and, you know, maintain the same level of rigor that we do today. Um, and have the same expectations of, of, um, you know, students who are reaching into those courses and maybe the need will help and we can, we can give them that help. Um, but that's what I would, would ultimately like. So, um, you know, I might want to have my cake and, and eat it too in this regard, but I think it's just really important to say that, um, I think that's what our district can and should aspire to. I definitely think it's the goal, Adam, right?
I mean, uh, otherwise, why, why are we here? I, I, I do think I would love them both as well. I think my, my experience in my previous district, when we went this route was that there was more of a bell curve in scores and that, but there was a pretty substantial increase in students participating and in, for an urban school, which I worked having that participation was a priority.
Right.
And then like, that's the first priority.
And then you move to what you're saying about increasing capacity among all students, right. To be really successful in those courses.
And that is the goal. Um, but it, you know, it, I, I don't know if it always fleshes out the way we want it to in that regard.
And I, I also want to be realistic, um, because I, you know, I know for a fact, um, I should never take AP calculus.
Like I can say that with some real certainty right now in front of you. Um, and that's okay too. Right.
And that, that's okay too, but that's not to say if a student does not desire to want to challenge themselves, we should be having those conversations.
Those are important conversations to have with them, you know, um, same as we would when they want to try out for an athletic team or, you know, or the play, these are, you know, if you might not make varsity, um, but we want you playing and we want you to improve your craft and we want to give you access and opportunity to make it at some point, you know, um, I also, those conversations are important.
Yeah. I think there are circumstances for kids where a kid getting a two on an AP or a kid getting a C in a class can be an excellent experience, but I don't know if, you know, society at large would say that now, in some cases they're underperforming what they're ready to do at their time, that time in development.
But at other times it's feels bad because of outside pressures versus what can be a, a really, uh, positive experience, you know, with the right mindset.
Yeah. And I completely understand.
And I'm not trying to, to, I don't know, but put us in, in any sort of, uh, kind of paint ourselves into a corner or whatnot.
I'm just saying, I think publicly it's important to say out loud, um, that I think our students, uh, can do it and can succeed.
And that I think we, as a district, um, should hold ourselves accountable to a commitment to seeing them not only gain access, which I agree is the first step, but also succeed.
And I think they can.
I guess I'm broadening the definition of success.
Fair enough.
Um, Dan.
Yeah.
Thanks Principal Keenan for the presentation.
Um, I know AP courses are a topic that's very important to our community.
Uh, I know you hear it all the time as do we, um, people are very interested in our offerings and how we approach those courses.
Uh, what I saw in your presentation is a community that's very eager for their kids to experience AP, maybe sometimes too eager, um, and that needs to be managed.
But, um, I'm asking you if there's anything that we can do in terms of the offerings of AP courses, in terms of the, the what and the when we offer AP courses.
Uh, my understanding is that there are AP courses that have a reputation, uh, for being easier or at least more accessible.
Um, some of us history, please.
Uh, human geography has been mentioned to me as one of those.
Um, I'm not sure if we offer that.
I don't think we do. Um, AP psych is another one. I think we do offer that. Um, so I've been studying, um, or at least paying attention to when we offer AP courses and what we offer.
And, um, I'm wondering if there's anything we should be considering in future years in terms of providing more accessible AP courses earlier so that, uh, students who maybe are uncertain or just want that experience can have an on-ramp to experiencing AP level courses.
Um, any sort of recommendations you have of that nature?
Uh, when I started looking into what goes into high school rankings, uh, I would never advocate that we chase rankings as a district, uh, but nor can we ignore them. Uh, I was interested to see that there are actually two categories that are specifically about AP courses.
It's how many kids you have taking AP courses and, uh, how do they do, do they pass or not? And what interested me about that statistic was it, it looked at least if you believe statistics, like something like three or four kids out of every 10 in our schools go through their whole experience, never taking an AP course.
Um, I don't know if that squares with your experience, but that's what I saw.
And I'm kind of interested in that phenomenon.
You know, on the one hand, I understand AP isn't for everybody.
I would never say that it is. We don't want to push kids to take courses they don't know right for, but is there more that we could be doing to help more kids try, uh, and hopefully succeed in them maybe through easier courses, maybe through courses offered earlier, um, I'd be interested in any thoughts you have on that subject.
Any recommendations you make, uh, would, I would value very heavily either tonight or, or in a future presentation.
No, I, I think, you know, you, you make, you have some interesting questions there. You know, I do want to say if every child was taking AP courses and all we had was AP courses, then we wouldn't be a high school, right? Because they're, it's, they're college level courses.
And so there has to be some distinction that takes place.
However, um, I, and I also would say to get back to the school profile and the rankings, what you're saying is if you, you decide to open it up to earlier grades, you, it's the same as the override on the other side, which is you're going to see more of a bell curve, you know? Um, and that's, that's really expressed through the college board statistics that, you know, that they have regarding testing and things like that nature. So on the one hand, if the community is willing, right. And they're willing to accept that, that, that could happen, even though, like Adam said, we want success for all the students.
Um, I guess you could open up some things or there could be some discussions about some classes.
I mean, I know that there are some courses in other school communities that offer AP computer science principles earlier, for example.
So those discussions could happen.
I think one of the things that I mentioned to Peter, um, and Joelle and, and, and some people today was that there is the college board does have a new program that we could start discussing.
It essentially allows you to graduate with this kind of AP certificate, if you will.
And what it means is you, you would take like a course, um, earlier.
So, you know, maybe ninth or 10th grade.
And, and it's really a course, uh, an overarching course to talk about the themes of if, if you're going to become an AP scholar, um, this is how you have to learn.
This is how you have to study. This is how you have to write, et cetera, et cetera.
So you have that on one end and on the, the back end, you, you have a capstone project.
And in between that, you have to, um, have taken, you know, four AP classes, you know, at least four AP classes and scoring a three in, in all those classes.
That's a way I could see us potentially expanding our, um, our AP program and maybe getting some kids excited who typically might be afraid of trying AP, but to put their feet in the water with, you know, a seminar course a little earlier, but that does take a lot of planning.
Uh, I will say when we did it at my previous school, uh, that was a good year, um, because that is a very new curriculum and it is not content-based.
And so there's a lot of pieces to it. So there's a lot of training that has to be done, but I do think it's, it is an idea to open that door a little bit to start to explore, you know, what we could do. Absolutely.
I appreciate your thoughts.
Thank you. Yeah. All right.
Uh, Avi.
Um, I promise I'll let you go in a sec.
Um, Ms. Keenan, I just wanted to express a view, um, that I personally think is really important.
And I think the conversation that you brought to the table here tonight, um, and then the comments, Adam, I hope, you know, how much I respect you and how much I appreciate you. And so I respect your view. I just want to express a view of your view. And I don't mean any disrespect about it, Adam, but I think in this community, and I think this predates you, Ms. Keenan, I think that there's long been a little bit of a positive tug of war a little bit between our educators who are experts and, and, and our educators, they, they, they understand things that sometimes we as parents don't understand.
Sometimes we as board members don't understand. Certainly the same thing about our educational leaders like Dr. Patello understand that we don't, that we don't understand.
And I think many of us who certainly those of us who have served on the committee for any amount of time have heard from educators who will share their expertise privately, um, and sort of express some of the things you expressed here tonight, uh, about the dichotomy between meeting, um, two different sets of needs, uh, in our, in our community.
Uh, to me, first and foremost, I applaud you for having, for lack of a better term, the courage to have that conversation at the table and to start having that, that really honest conversation that I think is important for our community to move forward towards our academic goals. And Adam, I would just say on the converse, I think what, what makes it really difficult for our educators is that there is a, a natural and healthy fear that if, if we embark on adding access, which I philosophically believe in. And I think a lot of our educators certainly philosophically believe in, we will, at least for a period of time. I mean, again, Adam, I think I share your goal. I heard Ms. Keaton say we share your goal for, for all students to reach a certain level, but to Dr. Botello's point, success, it has to be measured in a certain way to me. Like I'm not talking about my specific children, but theoretically, if I have a child who is, is right here right now and they reach for here and they end up here for me as a parent, that's a success.
Um, there are other folks that measure success by this is an A, they'd rather have an A here than a C here. And I think for our educators, a lot of times what we see is as they try to weigh out the needs of this community, they're caught between those two things. And, and I know you mean no harm, Adam, but I think you do speak for a certain segment of our population when your response is, I want both. And I know there's a certain tongue in cheek aspect, but I also know a lot of our educators who, who communicate with us privately.
And until this moment, in my opinion, have never said it quite as clearly and articulated it quite as honestly as Ms. Keenan is here tonight.
That is the legit fear, Adam, is that there are folks who, who truly want rigor, but then believe that it's our educators that are at fault when their students can't perform.
And I think a lot of our educators privately say, and I don't want to speak for you, Ms. Keenan, but I think to some degree, this is something you've expressed.
A student working hard and, and learning is, is what they consider growth and success, but they, they are in a community that demands academic success in the form of grades and in the form of GPAs, weighted and unweighted.
And again, I, I, I believe that this is a conversation that needs to continue to evolve in our community.
And I would just caution us certainly at the table here from simply saying you can do both. If our educators say, look, it's going to be this or this, I think we have to make an honest, we have to have an honest conversation about which of those two our community is willing to take in the short term, as opposed to saying, no, don't your, your expertise that one or the other has to happen, isn't good enough. Deliver me both.
If they're willing to be honest, that both can't happen simultaneously.
I think we should accept that as truth. I'm not saying we should just accept that. I'm saying we should accept that as truth.
Joelle would like to jump in. Joelle would like to jump in.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Joelle would like to jump in. I'm, you're muted, Dr. Yep. Sorry.
I just wanted to kind of reaffirm what Dr. Botello was talking about in terms of, in terms of redefining or broadening our definition of success when it comes to AP classes.
I do think long-term, it is definitely an aspirational goal to broaden our AP access and, at the same time, maintaining or even enhancing the aggregate or average student performance.
But to the short and medium time, it is just a given what Ms. Kinnan mentioned will happen where the bell curve will, will widen.
That being said, another point of success is that there has been research done by, by Mass Insight and other organizations that show that when a student takes AP classes, even if they score a two, it has a measurable impact on their college readiness because it, it exposes them not only to the rigor of college level classes, but it also exposes them to like self-discipline, time management, um, those kinds of things that they, then they can take to their college or even work career.
So I think it's worth broadening our definition of success so that it's not just all the fours and fives that are showing up on some computer board about sharing other schools, but also the expended opportunities that we provide, uh, to those students.
With the caveat that I agree philosophically want to expand access, but also provide safety net and scaffolds and support for those students, uh, who normally would not be taking AP classes to not only be in those AP classes, but also, um, have the support to succeed and do well. But, but I think it's not an either or it's, it's, it's, it's both and looking at medium to short term, um, we have to broaden our definition of success, realizing it is a win if you have additional students taking AP classes, even if the average AP scores for the district, uh, falls, because in the end you want to prepare those students for the rigor and self-discipline and steady skills, uh, to access, um, um, uh, when they're in college.
Thank you, Joel.
Um, Adam.
Thank you so much. And, and I'll, I'll close it out with just, uh, maybe I'll apologize a little bit. It was not my intention to kind of send us down this route, although I think it was a really positive conversation.
Um, and as Avi mentioned, it was a, it was a little tongue in cheek. I was merely, uh, expressing my, my confidence in, in our district and our teachers, et cetera, to, to teach these students.
I completely recognize, um, kind of the, that we should be celebrating those students who, who push themselves.
And I think that's exactly who you want to give access to. Um, and I was doing that while also expressing my confidence and faith in our, uh, district and educators and whatnot.
So, um, you know, please, please take that as it was intended.
Thank you, Adam.
And, um, after that robust.
Oh, sure.
I just want to mention one more thing logistically about say AP courses in particular, which is that, um, it's not just something you assign like it, you really have to go out of your way to work with teachers to want to do this because one, there's a lot of training involved.
There's a lot of additional work and, you know, their scores are publicized in a way that's a little different than, than their colleagues.
So logistically sometimes, even though we would want to expand things, if we don't have the capacity, like in terms of staff to teach specific courses with specific certifications, sometimes that comes into play as well, but it's certainly not what we lead with. We lead with, we want to try to give these opportunities in this access, but then there's the realistic part when we, we start to, to dig in and try to build out schedules of trying to make it work the best way we can. And so that's why we do have some caveats, you know, at the beginning of the program of studies of, you know, what the, the, the courses that will be available are based on a number of, uh, of, of different things in constraints.
Thank you so much.
And, um, I appreciate the, the presentation and the robust discussion.
Um, and I'm going to give the floor to Peter again.
So we have a calendar presentation and possible vote, and we have a budget presentation.
So which on the school year, Caroline, I think we're still waiting.
Um, I think the, uh, SDA is having formal conversations this week and we'll, um, kind of get back to us. So we'll, we'll delay that one. Perfect.
We will, we'll table that and onto the budget.
Okay. And yeah. And so, um, um, um, you know, just going to provide a little bit more context on process as well as some more detail on impact so that we can use this for future meetings in January.
Um, Um, first about the, the budget process.
I want to clarify what we, what we meant when we talking about using a zero base planning process.
So this year differently than in the past, where we started with a kind of a level service, uh, uh, process, we did start from the beginning.
And so that meant like looking at our enrollment, um, and the numbers throughout the district, the different levels, um, and then starting with like core services.
So we knew that we needed to have instructors at the elementary level that taught, you know, mostly self-contained classrooms of English, math, science, social studies.
Um, we also needed core programming, um, you know, that was necessary to just to run a school and to have, um, you know, core programs.
Then we looked at, okay, once we built, so we, so some of that core programming, including, yeah, having, again, English, math, science, and social studies at the middle school level as well, at the high school level.
Uh, what are the kind of core staff that are necessary, um, to, to have that core programming within our schools?
And what are the contractual obligations that come along with it? Um, as well as mandated services, both in special education, but also in other programs like students, um, like our, uh, English language learners.
Um, so we started with that. And so that built out having, you know, a bunch of core staff that we know we're going to need, uh, within our buildings.
Then we looked at fixed costs, utilities, transportation.
Those are things we know we need in order to operationally run. And what are the expected increases in those areas? Um, and then looked at, you know, how do, um, other, all that we're service providing, how does that meet with our goals as a district and our school committee priorities?
So we did start from the, the, the kind of the bottom up. Um, now when considering, again, we looked at our core program and staffing, we looked at essential materials and professional development funding.
Um, we looked at the necessary instructional leadership in order to, um, in order to make sure that we had a high quality curriculum and continue to improve.
We looked at administration and administrative positions, uh, counselors and support providers, literacy and math specialists.
Uh, we considered, you know, whether or not we would cut back on any of those. Would we cut back further on counselors that are, um, that, you know, certainly provide important, um, you know, uh, services to our kids, but could we do with less? Could we do with less administrative or administration positions?
Um, could we do with less literacy and math specialists?
So we looked at, you know, what is necessary for us to have high quality, um, education and programming and considered.
We considered, you know, okay, athletic and extracurricular programming.
We considered maybe we cut back some expensive programs and we felt that, you know, I, a high quality, um, comprehensive, you know, um, educational program in our, um, in our, in our district, uh, we didn't want to cut those things back. So that's why we put on the table, potentially having higher fees in order to help, um, the operation budget and fund them. We looked at non-maintenance transportation, you know, and whether that could be, uh, something, but we, we decided to maintain that within our, um, preliminary budget. Uh, we looked at elementary specialist offerings, things, the range of world language offerings, electives and non-courses.
So those are some of the things that were discussed as we were building our zero-based budget, uh, as to whether or not, um, they would be included in what their costs were, um, as we went forward.
We also, again, in doing so, not only looked at what we, uh, were prior to prioritizing according to both our district plan and our expertise in education, but also, uh, the priorities that were expressed by the school committee.
And from that, you know, again, we, um, we looked at, um, you know, enrollments in program needs, and we, um, we built from the bottom up. In doing so, we identified a couple of elementary sections that still could have really, um, you know, solid, um, class sizes similar to what we have, uh, this year, but that could be reduced because of changes in enrollment.
We also decided that in order to have the, um, the, the, the supports for special education in elementary schools in general, as well as the proper supports at the high school level to, um, include, um, an elementary special education, um, administrator and an assistant principal at the high school in our proposed budget, as well as additional special education clerical support.
Um, and then we looked at contractual obligations.
We knew that special education would see some increases.
Transportation would see some increases.
Utilities, um, we, uh, expected the cost of athletics to increase as well as a yellow bus contractual increase.
Um, so all of those, um, were built into our budget.
Um, then we also looked at potential offsets of fees for clubs at the high school, which was included as well as additional fees at early childhood, um, and additional revenue that was coming in from early childhood.
Um, and with that, you know, knowing that the priorities, uh, recommended budget was 55 million, 524,000 our budget, which included, um, what we, you know, built from the bottom up and also included some additional positions like the two administrators and the clerical support.
Um, and also included some of offsets of things that we could reduce, including, um, a couple of elementary sections, um, as well as, um, you know, different choices around, uh, supplies and materials and professional development funding, um, that we would fund some things and not fund under things.
Our budget came up at 56 million, 984,000, um, which is 2.7%
above the priorities increase or 1.459
million, uh, above the priorities.
When we then showed the potential reductions and additional offsets, um, if all of those were needed to be cut in order to reach the final priorities, um, uh, increase, then we would break even. Okay.
What the next steps are to, uh, you know, we, we, we did, uh, learn that currently the, the priorities committee is holding at 2.76, but there'll be continued conversations over the next several months.
We'll look for revenue from, um, and information from both the governor at the state level and, and other revenue changes that come about at the town level. Um, we'll work with departments.
Priorities will meet again on February 25th, where we hope to have, um, some degree of increase, but we're not sure how much. They're also at the priorities meeting.
There was an openness to look at one-time expenses that could be funded outside of the operating budget in order to alleviate some of our, our needs. Also the possibility that all town departments may not need the same allocation, and perhaps we might get an allocation that is higher and different than some departments, as well as the possibility of, uh, or the discussion of accessing additional level capacity, which is within the town's, um, capa, uh, ability.
So what, what our work looks like now, again, we are, our initial zero-based budgeting for supplies and materials, um, came above, um, the amount was above what our, um, current amount was in FY25.
So we're going to reconcile that knowing that we really don't have the capacity to raise that, uh, significantly higher. So we're going to continue to analyze the needs and make sure that we fit within, um, you know, the allotted amount that we had from FY25.
We'll continue to identify and refine proposed reductions as well as make clear the, the impact so that decisions can be made, um, and continue to have these discussions.
And then also we'll, um, through conversations, you know, if we, um, you know, see additional funding coming in through priorities, uh, target, uh, look at what the ad backs would make the most sense, um, and prioritize them.
One thing that was asked for is greater detail on the assistant principal need. Um, and, you know, this kind of outlines the broad range of needs. Um, you know, one thing that we're trying to build, is a foundation that allows for the district to function well, um, in order to provide excellent education for all kids. Um, and, you know, having, um, sufficient administrative, you know, support, uh, is necessary.
So if you look at Sharon High, we have, um, approximately 1200 students or one to 600 ratio, you know, that's well above the recommendation of the National Association of Secondary School Principals.
Also, I'll show you in a couple slides that it's where it's, it's not on par with any of our, um, uh, any of the, of the schools in the region.
Um, assistant principals are involved with supervision and evaluation, discipline, special education program compliance.
Um, you know, they, they, they are, um, involved with student attendance and truancy.
And move on to safety and crisis management, special education compliance, I said before, testing and assessment, extracurricular programs, parental and community engagement, mentoring of staff, monitoring lunch, attending department meetings and case conferences.
Now this, by the, the involvement in the wide range of responsibilities with assistant principals allows students and staff to get greater support.
Um, um, improving our ability to address student needs quickly and provide more timely communication support for students, staff, and families. It allows for relationship building and more individualized problem solving and supports.
Like a lot of the steps we were talking about within the, you know, the program of studies is like, we're really trying to look at each kid individually and give them what they need. And there's not simple answers all the time. And that happens, you know, not only with academics, but also with social emotional, um, supports for kids. It also gives better oversight.
So we think about some of the issues we have with vaping and other, um, things within our, you know, schools, having administration that really, um, can help be part of that, that supervision and problem solving is, is it, is really important.
Um, it could increase compliance to state and federal mandates.
Um, also, you know, spreading responsibilities.
I think when we put forth the assistant principal last year, um, we knew that it wasn't a sustainable model, but with tough decisions that needed to be made, it was something that we, you know, put forth.
But, um, it also having another assistant principal allows, uh, Principal Keenan to really take on the key roles of a principal because she really has to spread herself, um, and do what a typical assistant principal would do when you only have one. That's just the reality.
As well as we have central office staff who are down at the high school helping out as needed. Um, and that's taking away from critical responsibilities that they have on their own.
And again, lastly, looking at this. So, you know, we look at the enrollment of these different districts.
All of them have at least two individuals.
Um, some of them call them assistant principals.
Some call it associate principals.
Some have both, but all of them have more than one assistant principal.
Some of them have three or four or five individuals that work side by side with the principal.
Um, so it's really not, you know, a sustainable model. Um, and it's really not providing that key just foundation for the high school that's necessary.
Um, then this gets into some of the impact of, uh, potential reductions.
Julie, do you want me to go through the details here?
Do you want people to be able to, you know, um, you know, kind of digest it on their own before the next meeting?
I can do it. Yeah, let's do that. Okay. I think I can answer it. I can answer any questions if there's, if there's questions about any of, you know, this is what I provided previously, but with greater detail. So I can certainly answer questions about any of those positions and what their impact there. Yeah. Thank you very much, Peter. I think that covered, um, Oh, and this is the last one is just in, and I'll iterate this. Um, I've said this time and time again, you know, it's not only a foundation of, of, you know, administration, but also instructional leadership is, is critical to all of our students.
Like, um, one of the big things that came out of the PCG report was around building greater capacity of our staff to provide interventions, both at the tier one classroom level, but also at the tier two, which is sometimes in the classroom and sometimes is a, is a short term intervention outside of the classroom.
Um, and that benefits both our special education students and our students who are struggling, who are not in special education, as well as provides opportunities for kids who need greater enrichment and challenge to have that.
And none of that work is done on, to scale without a robust instructional leadership, um, platform.
And our curriculum coordinators, at least in English, math, science, social studies, and world language are able to really propel that work. We would love to have that in other departments as well. Um, but it's really critical.
The work that was done at the elementary level, creating, you know, creating a literacy committee and choosing literacy materials.
And now the professional development could not be done without coordinators.
And the same type of improvements are aimed for, uh, throughout our educational system.
So, um, a department head model is used in some, but they become more technical, um, and supportive of their department.
And they're not able to do this type of depth. And a lot of times they're layered in districts with additional, you know, assistant superintendents for secondary education or elementary education when you're really trying to, to really fill that gap. Um, but we think that the model we have with six to 12 coordinators is sure it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not as, you know, as like my previous district had coordinators, both at the middle school and the high school level, uh, which was even more robust.
We think this is a happy medium for a district our, our, our size and really is absolutely necessary.
If you want to really have significant improvements in curriculum and structured across the, across the schools.
So department head could be a support to teachers.
Sure. Um, I think we would need them both at the elementary and the high school level. You wouldn't have a department head who went across a school.
Uh, there would be potentially some savings.
I saw a potential savings about $170,000, but I don't think it would be the type of kind of robust, um, support for teachers, students, and the improvements that we're aiming for to do what Adam was saying.
We really kind of pushed kids and challenged them as much as we can, but also provided enough support for kids to be as successful as they can be. So that's it.
Thank you, Peter. I'm sorry. I interrupted earlier.
Um, I was just going to say what you said, which was, we did see some of that information before.
Um, Jeremy's had his hand up for quite a while. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.:
Yep. Thank you. So one of the largest benefits of zero based budgeting is that you can build a budget from the ground up and understand here are the pieces.
Here's the tower block by block.
Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: And then once you get to a point, you stop and you can think of the blocks above that.
Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: I would like to see what those blocks are that were right above and below that line so that we could weigh those trade offs when we think about the budget.
Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: In a well organized formatted way in one place. I'm very disappointed that these slides haven't been shared with the school committee before the presentation so that we could come prepared with questions on them. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: So I am doubting whether or not zero bus based budgeting was used in this presentation because we're not providing those components and I'm not seeing them. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.:
I can tell you that zero based budgeting was used. I'm sorry that I'm confused why the zero why the budget was over the target if that was the case. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: Say it again. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: I'm confused why the budget was over the target if that was the case. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: Because we built a budget based on the budget. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: We built a budget based upon our needs step by step and added it in what was needed and then look at the cost. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: Either way, we're looking for, at least I'm looking for, more transparency into what trade offs we're making, what we're deciding to keep, what we're considering cutting. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: I mean, that's a core role of the school committee in thinking about those budget priorities.
Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: What I'm telling you we looked at cutting was additional specialists, athletic and extracurricular programming, non-main and dandy transportation, elementary specialist offerings, counseling and support providers, additional administrative positions.
Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: So those are the things that we're continuing considering cutting. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: I'm not sure what else you want. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: Yeah, I think just having it laid out here, the… Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: That's what I just laid out. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: Yeah, on a slide. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: It was on the slide. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: Well, I mean, I didn't see it in that format. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: Okay. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: I can steer you back to that slide. Jeremy Grantham, Ph.D.: And I can quite, if you want to, if you want me to quantify how much those savings those would be, I can certainly do that. how it would work.
Yeah, but the slide is there.
Okay, thank you, Dan.
Thanks, Dr. Patello.
I appreciate the responsiveness, both in regard to the information we requested about the assistant principal position and about the curriculum coordinators.
That information, I think, will be very helpful to us as we're approaching priorities this year. About the assistant principal position, I have two questions.
The first is, I know that some districts at least have specialized roles in terms of different assistant principals when they do have multiple.
Do you envision using that model where maybe one is focused on staff, another is focused on students, or something similar, or would they all kind of fulfill the same function spread out across the school?
My second question about that position is, I think this is a very difficult budget environment in which to be asking for an additional administrative position, even if there's a pressing need for it. So if we do take this approach, I want to make the best possible case for it when we're working with the other town committees.
Do you view this as an add-on, or do you view this potentially new position as in combination with some potential restructuring around other existing administrative duties so that it wouldn't quite be the full cost of a new position?
Can I take a pause there and then ask about the coordinators?
Yeah, I think for the most part we're looking at is an add-on. We might look for some efficiencies about what an assistant principal could do to cut back slightly at the high school level, for the most part.
I think the reality of the need is, like we could add, you know, if we were talking about ideals, we would add multiple, you know. And so one, and it's something that we've traditionally had, the only time we don't have a second assistant principal is when we come to, you know, a horrible budget year and we kind of try to suck it up for a year and then we add it back.
So it's not, I don't see it as an addition, it's a reinstatement of, you know, of a very critical need that we have just to provide a foundational support for staff, students, and families.
What was the second question?
The nature of the role, if it's a specialized role or... Yeah, I think there's certain aspects that would be similar across both assistant principals.
I think both assistant principals would have some role in, you know, student discipline and supporting students around attendance.
I think then what you do is you put out, you kind of analyze all the needs of the school as far as administration and Ms. Keenan with Jan Andrews would look at like some of their expertise and experience and skill set and there would be probably some aspects that would be specialized that Jen might take more on and then the second assistant principal would. So you kind of analyze the needs and have some things that run across both and some that are more particular.
Okay, thank you. And about the curriculum coordinators, again, I really appreciate the responsiveness in terms of getting that information and laying it all out for us.
I saw that you had done the work of calculating a potential savings.
If we did move to a department head model, I saw that number was around $170,000.
That I would consider substantial in terms of the kinds of cuts we are considering.
I heard you loud and clear that you anticipate there would be significant downsides and costs associated with making a move like that. I think that's also true of many of the other potential cuts we're considering, cutting teacher positions, cutting programs. So while I don't think we're ready for a decision and hopefully those kinds of moves will not be necessary based on the final allocation we get, my request would be to preserve that option just alongside all the other options we're considering in that cost figure so that we can prioritize them all together.
But I really appreciate the information.
Thank you. Yeah, certainly we can do that.
I will continue to iterate that I do believe that taking away that level of management, middle management, instructional leader support puts back a district multiple years. It's just from all of my experience and research that I did both of my masters and doctorate, those positions are critical to high quality education in the district.
It's not something I understood before I was in this field for a long time, but I think we just have to continue to look at what the long-term impacts of not having people who really are leading instruction in that way to all of our kids. Because I think it impacts all of our kids when we don't have consistency and continued improvement in instruction.
And you're counting on each teacher to do it individually when you don't have some significant robust coordination.
Thanks. And as we're continuing that conversation, I'd be really interested to hear how common one model is versus another across Massachusetts and what districts are using each model in terms of standing of their schools.
That would be really persuasive to me. Thank you. Joelle, I'm sorry, Alan and Adam. Joelle, did you want to jump in on this? I can't.
What?
No?
Or yes?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay. Sorry.
I wasn't able, the host wouldn't allow me to unmute myself.
So I do want to kind of reiterate the importance of the coordinators.
Often, and it's totally understandable, when the average person looks at an educational structure, you tend to, in essence, look at, okay, who's in front of kids, right? So this person is in front of students.
So therefore, yep, they have value. I can see with my eyes what they're doing. And I totally understand the fact that when you cannot see what the person is doing in front of you, it's harder to conceptualize the tangible value that they bring to the job. And I think for the role of the coordinators, that's the, often the public doesn't see. It's a lot of their work, they do it behind the scene. So they don't get to see the value that they bring. But I can tell you, instruction and curriculum would be very, very, very challenging, if not impossible.
I would always say impossible, very challenging without those curriculum coordinators.
So for example, one current example that we're dealing, we're working on right now is we are knee deep in the process of purchasing, researching, piloting, and eventually selecting a literacy curriculum for elementary, which is a hugely important endeavor, both from a fiscal standpoint, because that's a lot of money that we're going to allocate over a period of time. And for the academic direction that the district is going because you want kids to have a good foundation in literacy in order for them to succeed in middle school and high school.
And I have to say, Sarah Klim, our literacy coordinator at the elementary school, she masterfully took that from the onset all the way through.
Now that we, and we, we've gone through almost doing it by the book that requires someone with skill that also requires a ton of time that that central administration or wouldn't have. And if that wasn't done, that type of due diligence, you wouldn't have any way of ensuring that you are using best practices to select the best curriculum that fits that meets the needs of, of our district.
So that's about a lot of all of the work practically that she does is behind the scene.
And I think part of the work that we need to do is kind of like bring to the forefront as much as possible, the valuable work that coordinators are doing so that the public understands that you cannot move a district forward without that. And I don't want to call it middle management.
They're really instructional leaders, those instructional leaders. So, and I think it's, it's, it's crucial the work that they do, but unfortunately for them, they do it behind the scene.
So therefore it's difficult to conceptualize the value that they bring, but they do bring a lot of values and they support teachers and make the work of teachers possible.
So, and I could even add to finish that, even their work is synergistic.
So with their work, two or three teachers working to like produce more than they would produce in terms of for the benefit of children on their own. Thank you, Joelle.
And, uh, Kristen did, I'm sorry, Alan and Adam, but Kristen, it sounds like you want to address Dan Dan's question.
Um, I just, I, I wanted to mention one that I concur with what Peter and Joelle said. I think they were both very thoughtful about the coordinators positions.
They're invaluable.
Um, I was a coordinator for many years myself, and it's not only the instruction the pedagogical, um, there's also managerial, we're working with human beings and there's that management component and working and getting the best out of your, your teachers that I think the coordinators do so, so well, um, and really work really weakly on professional development that brings our curriculum to a place that I think is really exceptional.
So I, I want to concur with, they said, but I, I did want to speak specifically about the assistant principal position because I agree with Peter.
I, I feel like, um, it is more of, uh, a returning of a position.
And I, and I just, I want to put a shout out and a plug to, to Jenny Andrews, who in her second year as assistant principal, I would say she is one of the best human beings, assistant principals I've ever had the good fortune to work with. And I think every teacher in that building and every student in that building would concur.
Um, she's exceptional at what she does and she's smart and she's thoughtful and she's focused and she's dedicated.
But all that being said, that job can be a burnout position.
Um, when you don't have a thought partner, you know, uh, someone to lean on in that capacity.
And I do think we're doing a disservice to the students.
You know, I do get emails about vaping in bathrooms from families that are concerned or, or from students, even our biggest priority is the safety of that building for every student, every staff member that has to be our first priority beyond all of our educational goals and aspirations.
And that in and of itself, the, the size of that building, the students in that building, it is just necessary.
Um, we are running daily to, to different things and, uh, we're juggling a lot and we both, I think have a lot of energy, uh, to do that. And we're, we're really working on that. And, you know, Mike has been a great addition as AD and, and he has been as helpful as he can with a job that is really full-time.
Uh, I mean, the, the work of an athletic train, uh, uh, athletic director is huge as well, but I, I please, um, understand that this is really a necessity for so many reasons that I know this meeting's going long and I would be happy to speak with each of you individually or as a group offline, uh, to express this more fully, but thank you. Uh, thank you very much. Um, Alan, you've been very patient.
Thank you.
I'm glad Principal Keenan, I'm glad to well, but I'm also glad Principal Keenan waiting because I saw her turn the camera on, um, and I was going to go there. I just want to, I didn't really understand Julie, the interaction between you and Dr. Patello about skipping the slides around the potential reductions and the additional information provided.
But I do hope whatever that decision, the two of you made there, I do hope we get back to that with a plenty of time. Cause I think if there was additional information really in there, Dr. Patello, I think we need to, and I really, there's a lot of time between now and February 25th, but, um, I'd love to really make sure that we don't just kind of gloss over that. And I think the community as much as the school committee needs to hear about what you believe the impact and the district believes the impact of those, um, reductions would be. So I know why tonight it's 10 17, but I just want to make sure that it gets agenda time at our next meeting.
Thanks.
Yeah. I think all I, all I was saying is that that information was presented in a slightly different form during the last presentation.
So we kind of, he, he just, Peter just put more details, but it was pretty much the same, right?
Peter from last week, I think it was last week.
Yeah. And I think if anyone's particularly interested in, in, in, in, in me highlighting some something in greater detail tonight, I certainly can. Um, Great.
Thanks.
Thanks, Alan. Adam.
Thanks.
And I'll be quick. Um, I just wanted to note, um, you know, Dan, with response to your questions, and I think administration touched on this a little bit, but, you know, my perspective, um, you know, from, from the school committee table on the assistant principal position is that last year we really asked administration to take deep, deep cuts, um, kind of within, uh, kind of administration and, and they did. Um, and, and that was at our request.
And I think what we're seeing now is an acknowledgement that, you know, we, we really did cut down to the bone, um, and, and we cut too far. Um, and that starts to inhibit kind of the district's ability to manage itself, um, and be a high performing district.
So I think it's more an acknowledgement that, um, you know, the, the administration respected the school, uh, school committee to ask, but, um, you know, we, we probably not probably, we, we went too far. And so this is a restoration there. Um, and the other quick point I just want to make was again, and I know we said it last week, um, but we're at December 18th. This is considerably earlier than we have seen, um, budget information.
I think we saw last week to this week, um, kind of responsiveness as well from, um, Dr. Patello, Ellen, the administration in terms of, um, providing additional detail that was asked for. And so I just wanted to, uh, publicly say thank you and acknowledge the hard work and the early work and the responsiveness.
Um, and I am really appreciative of the process that we're having.
Thank you so much, Adam.
Um, and, um, if there's no more questions, we'll move on. Um, this is the, the last thing.
And I, I promise I'm going to try and beat Dan's land speed record of doing a presentation that goes really fast. So I'm going to share my screen super quickly.
I don't know if I can, I can be as good as, um, as Jeremy, I mean, as, uh, as, um, Dan was.
Whoops.
Okay.
Sorry.
I can't, I'm messing with this right now. Okay.
So the, uh, the town manager informed me that the signage that's like when you come into Sharon in a couple of, uh, on a couple of the roads, there's this sort of, um, like sign here then, and it has some of the academic successes of Sharon.
And then it also has, you know, some of the clubs of Sharon and all of that. So that the town is actually taking these down and is going to replace them, um, with something else.
So, um, that won't include our academics because it just like these, these things are from 10 years ago. It's, it was somebody's Eagle Scout project.
It, you know, sort of wasn't updated.
So, um, he wanted me to ask you whether you would like some kind of sign that comes, that's going to be at that location in and out of Sharon where it honors our students or would you be, do you feel that we already do that adequately?
So I took some pictures, um, of the school.
Can you all see this?
Okay.
So we have a lot of, we have a lot of signage.
We have trophy cabinets at the high school.
We have all kinds of things, um, showcasing how awesome our students are. Um, and I, some of them I didn't even know about, but it's pretty awesome.
Um, and then also inside and outside of the gym, there's, there's more trophy cabinets.
We, um, have signage all around the, um, basketball court.
And so, um, my recommendation is that we, we don't need any further action.
And, um, so I'm just curious, um, do you agree with me? Do you want the new signs?
What, what do you think?
Anyone?
Don't all shout at once.
Avi? Uh, yeah, I just want to say, I guess for me, like, I love the idea of recognizing our students accomplishments.
I think we do do that in our gym, in a trophy case, et cetera.
I'd be open personally in a better budget year to talking about putting signage like this up.
I understand the town is taking something down that existed on a town level. My personal feeling is even if it's relatively short money, it's, I don't love the optics or the feeling of funding something like this in a year where we're going to make really hard budget decisions.
Fair enough.
Um, anybody else?
Strong feelings.
Okay, great.
Um, then we'll just let the matter sit. And now I've discharged my duty and we can go on to our decision items.
Um, there is, we need to have a vote to approve the minutes from December 4th. I will accept a motion.
Um, we'll leave the December 1st. Sorry.
Both ones are the ones that aren't done. Oh, sorry.
I'm sorry.
I messed that up. Um, that's right.
So, sorry.
It's the, it's the minutes of December 11th that, um, we're voting on. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of December 11th, 2024. Second.
Okay.
Thank you.
Avi and Adam.
Dan.
Yes.
Alan.
Yes.
Adam.
Yes.
Jeremy.
Yes.
Avi.
Yes.
And I am a yes.
Um, we need a vote to approve the overnight field trip, um, of model UN going to Boston.
Um, I'll accept a motion.
I moved.
Thank you, Adam.
I'll second you.
Alan.
Thank you.
Uh, Dan.
Yes.
Alan.
Yes.
Adam.
Yes.
Jeremy.
Yes.
Avi.
Yes.
And I'm a yes.
Um, are there any announcements and updates?
I have one. If, um, unless somebody else has, does anyone else have a announcement or update anything?
Okay.
Um, I want to talk about our eighth graders who are rocking, um, cat bot company, a first Lego league robotics challenge team of the middle school's eighth graders competed in the Revere qualifier on December 7th, where they won the second place champions award.
And at the Eastern Massachusetts state championship on December 14th, they were awarded the core values award for their exemplary achievements as a team. So I'd like to recognize Aaron Sanchez for Conan.
I use Chandra, Brandon Riley and Joey Templeton.
And I'm looking forward to seeing what they do in high school. Okay.
Um, okay.
With nothing else, then I will wish everybody a happy holidays.
See you next year.
And I'll accept a motion to adjourn.
So moved.
Okay.
That was Avi.
And then who was the second?
Oh, Jeremy.
Okay.
Dan.
Yes.
Alan.
Yes.
Adam.
Yes.
Jeremy.
Yes.
Avi.
Yes.
And I'm a yes. Uh, see you all next year. Thank you. Thanks all. Thank you everybody. Take care. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.