School Committee - February 06, 2025
School Committee, 2/6/25 - Meeting Summary
Date: 2/6/25
Type: School Committee
Source: https://tv.sharontv.com/internetchannel/show/14597?site=2
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1) Meeting Metadata
- Date: February 5, 2025
- Type: Regular Sharon School Committee Meeting
- Location: Virtual/Zoom session
- Attendees: Committee members Avi Shemtov (Chair), Alan Motenko (Vice Chair), Julie Rowe (Secretary), Jeremy Kay, Georgeann Lewis, Adam Shain, Dan Newman (Policy Subcommittee Chair)
- Additional Attendees: Community members providing public comment, administrative staff, legal counsel involvement for policy updates
2) Agenda Overview
- Extensive public comment session addressing several community concerns
- Deliberation and voting on three proposed 2025-2026 school calendars submitted by the teachers union (STA)
- Discussion and proposed updates on multiple district policies to align with Massachusetts Association of School Committees (MASC) model policies
- Detailed examination of policy JIH (Questioning and Searches) regarding law enforcement interaction with students
- Routine operational votes including donations, student club approvals, field trips, competency determinations, and committee appointments
- Executive session called for collective bargaining or litigation strategy with STA Instructional Assistants (IAs)
3) Major Discussions
| Topic | Avi Shemtov | Alan Motenko | Julie Rowe | Jeremy Kay | Georgeann Lewis | Adam Shain | Dan Newman |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| School Calendar | Supported voting on multiple options, favored pre-Labor Day start, emphasized community input and timely vote | Advocated inclusivity, maintaining Rosh Hashanah Day 2 observance, also supported pre-Labor Day start | Participated actively, supported calendar two, focused on orderly meeting conduct | Questioned calendar half days and operational impacts, voted against calendar two and three | Highlighted student-centeredness, staffing, and supportive resources; opposed lowering questioning age policy | Supported calendar two balancing holidays, urged caution on too many half days | Led calendar discussions, emphasized legal and operational balance, supported pre-Labor Day start |
| Policy JIH (Questioning & Searches) | Supported transparency and community-informed updates, no final vote, balance needed | Expressed caution about lowering questioning age from 18 to 14, preferred legal clarification | Supported detailed follow-up on legal issues, no vote taken | Cautious stance on policy lowering questioning age, raised clarifying questions | Strongly opposed lowering questioning age, cited student vulnerabilities | Strong advocate for student rights protections and legal clarity around questioning policy | Delivered technical presentation, advocated most protective policy in MA, emphasized law enforcement balance |
| Instructional Assistants (IAs) | Advocated respect, better treatment, emphasized role importance | No recorded position | No recorded position | No recorded position | Highlighted staffing shortages and need for IA support strongly | Emphasized IA role importance during public comment | Led collective bargaining strategies, acknowledged IA issues in executive session |
| Calendar Inclusivity & Religious Observances | Supported considering all calendars fairly, including recognizing diverse holidays | Emphasized maintaining Rosh Hashanah Day 2 for inclusivity | Supported calendar two which balanced holidays | Concerned about calendar pre-Labor Day start complexity | Supported diverse community needs and student-centered approach | Supported calendar two with fewer half days for working families | Focused on operational feasibility and legal recommendations |
| Policy Updates (EF, EFC, ADF, HB, IA, JFABA, JH) | Supported alignment with MASC model policies and legal counsel recommendations | Supported maintaining current practices with updates | Actively managed meeting flow and supported policy updates | Participated in discussion and votes with no opposition | No recorded position | Supported policy updates, emphasized realistic implementation | Provided detailed presentations and explanations throughout |
| Full-Day Kindergarten Fee | Supported maintaining full-day kindergarten fee due to budget constraints | Supported fee with budget caution | Supported maintaining fee | Supported keeping fee, no opposition recorded | No position recorded | Supported maintaining fee | Opposed maintaining fee, urged exploring fee reduction options |
4) Votes
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School Calendar:
- Calendar One (lots of half days, pre-Labor Day start): No motion, no vote.
- Calendar Two (closest to current year, fewer half days, Rosh Hashanah Day 2 observed): Passed 5-2
- Yes: Avi Shemtov, Alan Motenko, Julie Rowe, Adam Shain, Dan Newman
- No: Jeremy Kay, Georgeann Lewis
- Calendar Three (federal holidays only, post-Labor Day start): Defeated 2-5
- Yes: Jeremy Kay, Georgeann Lewis
- No: Others as above
- Calendar Two to be sent to the Sharon Teachers Association (STA) for ratification.
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Policy Updates:
- Acceptance of $750 donation from Dedham Savings Bank for Snow Globe Contest: unanimous approval
- Approval of new 2024-2025 Student Activity Funds (SAF) clubs: unanimous
- Authorization of SHS Science Quiz Bowl field trip to University of Connecticut: unanimous
- Approval of SHS competency determination: unanimous
- Appointment of Avi Shemtov as alternate representative to Recreation Committee: unanimous
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Full-Day Kindergarten Fee: Maintained with a 6-1 vote
- Yes: Julie Rowe, Avi Shemtov, Shanna Belenky, Jeremy Kay, Alan Motenko, Adam Shain
- No: Daniel Newman
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Executive Session: Moved to discuss collective bargaining/private matters; no return to open session announced.
5) Presentations
- Dan Newman gave detailed presentations on policy updates aligned with Massachusetts Association of School Committees (MASC) model policies, focusing on food services (EF, EFC), wellness (ADF), negotiations policy (HB), curriculum goals (IA recommended for rescindment in favor of IGA), and the questioning/searches policy (JIH).
- Legal counsel input shared regarding JIH reflecting recent case law and MOU with local police.
- Public commenters and committee members provided contextual and personal testimonies regarding calendars, policies, and supports for staff (especially IAs).
6) Action Items
- Adopt Calendar Two pending STA ratification.
- Update district policies per MASC model recommendations to resolve conflicts with school handbooks and reduce outdated requirements.
- Continue study and scheduled follow-up on policy JIH with additional legal consultation before voting.
- Maintain fee for full-day kindergarten for the 2025-2026 school year with possible future study on reduction.
- Accept donation, approve student clubs and field trips as routine matters.
- Appoint alternate representative to Recreation Committee.
- Enter executive session to address collective bargaining and litigation strategy for IA unit.
7) Deferred Items
- Vote on policy JIH (Questioning and Searches) postponed pending further legal analysis and a follow-up presentation.
- Comprehensive review and potential updates to policies JFABA (tuition for temporary residents) and JH (district-wide absence policy) remain ongoing with recommendations to be presented in future meetings.
8) Appendices
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Public Comment Excerpts:
- Adam O’Brien opposed all-gender bathrooms and “trans ideology,” urging removal of all-gender signs.
- Katie Conroy advocated restoring free full-day kindergarten for equity.
- Patty Goulding (IA) described multi-faceted IA duties and called for better compensation and respect.
- Hala Mustafa and others opposed lowering the questioning age in policy JIH without parental presence.
- Community divided on calendar inclusivity, half days, and religious accommodations, with varied views expressed.
- Georgeann Lewis emphasized student-centeredness and staffing shortages.
- Ed Aissa critiqued inconsistency and bias in calendar voting decisions.
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Committee Members Summary:
- Avi Shemtov: Chair, led calendar process, advocated openness and timing.
- Alan Motenko: Vice Chair, emphasized diversity and inclusivity.
- Julie Rowe: Secretary, active procedural management and policy participation.
- Jeremy Kay: Questioned legal/operational matters, cautious approach.
- Georgeann Lewis: Vocal on staffing and student focus, critical of lowering questioning age.
- Adam Shain: Defended student rights and IA support, supported calendar two.
- Dan Newman: Policy expert, legal-oriented, led presentations, opposed kindergarten fee removal but open to future changes.
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Voting Records: Detailed above under Votes section.
This comprehensive summary reflects the February 5, 2025, Sharon School Committee meeting discussions, debates, and decisions on calendar options, policy updates, student rights issues, and operational matters with full member positions and verbatim public comment highlights.
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Transcript and Video
Good evening and welcome to the February 5th open meeting of the Sharon School Committee, which is being conducted remotely, consistent with an act relative to extending certain COVID-19 measures adopted during the state of emergency signed into law on June 16, 2021, as amended and extended through March of 2025. These provisions allow public bodies to meet remotely as long as reasonable public access is afforded so the public can follow along with the deliberations of the meeting.
For this meeting, the school committee, meeting of the school committee, we are convening by Zoom. Members of the public have been provided with access information so they can follow the meeting remotely.
All votes will be conducted via roll call. The first thing on the agenda is community comments.
In the past, I have requested that people turn on their cameras.
The reason for this is because there's something goes on with the Sharon TV cameras where it doesn't focus on the person's screen when it's off. And so your face is not shown.
It's like one of our faces gets shown.
So that's why we would like you to turn on your screen.
So it's the focus is on you and what you're saying.
But we definitely need both your first and last name. And most people have that in their little name on their page.
I will now start with questions.
Mr. O'Brien, you have two minutes.
Adam, is Adam here?
Yep, I got the timer.
Thank you. Julie?
Yes. Can you, did you read our non-discrimination statement?
No, I did not. Would you mind reading it, please?
Can you find it? Please?
I don't have it right now.
Mr. O'Brien, please go. Happy National Girls and Women in Sports Day.
Talk about timely.
After our last meeting, I sent a letter to the White House and included a picture of the all-gender sign at College Elementary.
I implored President Trump to help parents in blue states that seem to have no intent on obeying his executive orders. I told him he should withhold federal funding just as they are doing for sanctuary cities. I will send him a letter every two weeks until the signs come down and I am assured the American flag will be the only flag on school grounds.
While he has issued two executive orders, including one ending indoctrination in grades K through 12, we as parents must stop the radical left's pushing of gender insanity and trying to defeminize our daughters.
Standing strong in your convictions and standing up for what is right and wrong defines one's character.
We must all stand up to combat this issue.
We can't sit quietly on the sidelines because the left will not stop trying to indoctrinate our children.
It is not only important for our well-being, but for the well-being of our kids, grandkids, and the nation. I learned that a person called James Newton, a keyboard warrior, took to Facebook to besmirch my name and the names of other parents. This person appears to be a middle school teacher.
Julie, we have a very clear policy around some of the personal attacks.
And I mean, it is not appropriate for a member of the public to target another individual by mentioning names. And it's certainly, Mr. O'Brien, not a part of the table and talk about Facebook.
If you want to talk about Facebook on Facebook, do that. You get your two minutes, and I respect those two minutes. Don't bring social media stuff to this table and certainly don't do it while mentioning other members of the public by name. Okay. I apologize.
That won't happen again.
Jay and everybody else, I will say that although you are free to criticize, as we know from the Supreme Judicial Court, any member of the school committee because we're public figures, please do not mention other people by name. I apologize.
Okay. Thank you. It won't happen again.
Okay.
So, oh, so I'll finish up.
As for the bathroom at Cottage, I have been to a McDonald's, Showcase Cinema's movie theater, South Station in Boston, several office buildings in Boston, and not in one of these adult locations have I found an all-gender-labeled restroom, only in an elementary school in Sharon and Cottage.
I've reached the conclusion this bathroom was installed during the time when schools were locked down while parents were distracted and, of course, not notified.
The fight against trans ideology against our children is on its last legs.
Parents, it's time to sweep the leg. They, them, are now, was, were. Thank you, and God bless. Okay.
Ms.
Conroy?
Hi, Julia.
Yeah, can I jump in just really quickly?
Yes.
Shana had asked, and so I just wanted to call out that on the bottom of our agenda, it does say, and I'm happy to read, sharing public schools does not discriminate on the basis of age, color, disability, gender identity, homelessness, national origin, race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation, and that is always printed on our agendas.
Thank you. Thank you, Adam.
Okay, Ms. Conroy?
Hello, my name is Katie Conroy.
My family and I, like many others in town, chose to move to the Sharon for the fantastic school system. Two years ago, I was thrilled to see that free full-day kindergarten was going to be offered in our town going forward. This past year, I was very discouraged to learn that free full-day kindergarten was rescinded indefinitely due to budget constraints.
The vast majority of cities and towns in Massachusetts offer free full-day kindergarten.
As Sharon is a highly regarded school system in the state, it is shameful that we are not providing our youngest learners with the same opportunity as most of their peers across the state. We should be investing in our youngest learners, not penalizing them for mistakes and misunderstandings made two years ago. Free full-day kindergarten was fought for, supported by our town, and promised to our residents going forward two years ago. Free full-day kindergarten should still be a priority to provide the best start for our children and to attract young families to move to our great town. I understand that there are budget constraints, but I do think it is imperative that our school system budget be reviewed to see what creative solutions can be made to deliver on the promises that were made to Sharon residents.
Since it is only the beginning of February, I am looking forward to seeing what creative solutions the school committee will come up with to offer free full-day kindergarten to our children beginning in September.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Patty Goulding, hold on one second.
I'm trying to get you. Did I get you?
Yes, thank you. Okay, thank you. My name is Patty Goulding.
I'm an IA at Cottage.
I have a bachelor's degree.
I've held different roles in education for over 18 years. I've spent more than 10 years in the financial services industry, and I've raised four children.
I am one of 11 dedicated pair of professionals at Cottage Street School, where there are currently three open IA positions.
I personally support 20 children on IEPs. I work in nine different classrooms.
My schedule is jam-packed.
In addition to academics, I support students at lunch, specials, and recess.
I know the math curriculum as well as the teachers.
I am learning the newly adopted CKLA curriculum on my own time.
I support all students who require help, not just the students I'm assigned to.
I have connections with many students because I've been a dependable presence in their classrooms year after year.
I have an extremely strong relationship with teachers. They rely on me to carry out lesson plans, consult with me about students, and my presence in the classroom allows them to conduct both group and individualized instruction without interruption.
In the halls, I support students that are upset, that can't open a locker, that are having problems with a peer, that need the nurse, that need a band-aid, that need help with zippers, shoes, boots, gloves, and a whole host of other things. I get a one-half-hour unpaid lunch break, which I very rarely get to on time because I can't just walk away from a student in the middle of learning.
Myself and all IAs do this and much, much more every single day, but two minutes is not nearly enough time to fill you in.
IAs are incredibly important, and I honestly couldn't imagine what our education system would be without the support the IAs provide.
We do this on a salary far below a living wage.
We make substantially less than teachers, yet we pay a higher percentage of our health insurance, and I know I personally would never have taken this job when I was younger because there's no parental leave.
Sharon needs to start treating their IAs with respect they deserve, and then and only then will they be able to attract and retain the dedicated professional instructional assistance that can support the learning of all students.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Golding.
Hala Mustafa?
Oh.
Sorry, Hala.
Did you?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay.
Thanks, Judy.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Hala Mustafa.
I'm speaking today about the ongoing pattern of ignoring minorities and immigrants in decision-making, whether it was the unjust calendar vote at the last school committee meeting or the proposed change to the policy JIH.
Too often, our voices are overlooked and our concerns are either misunderstood or dismissed entirely.
It seems that until an immigrant parent has a seat at the school committee.
The proposed change for the JIH policy put vulnerable students, particularly immigrants, minorities, and students with disabilities at a greater risk by weakening parental protections during law enforcement questioning.
The current SPS policy ensures that all students under age 18 have a parent present during law enforcement questions, but the proposed change allows 14 to 17-year-old students to waive this right or to be questioned alone if parents are unreachable.
This ignores well-established legal and psychological research showing that minors lack the maturity to navigate law enforcement interactions alone and are more susceptible to coercion.
Massachusetts case law and federal rulings reinforce the need for stronger safeguards, not weaker ones. Historically, Sharon has pride itself on protecting student rights.
Yet, this change favors law enforcement convenience over the students' best interests.
School committee and administration must ask themselves, why are they prioritizing legal and police perspectives over the voices of families, child advocates, and civil rights experts?
If this policy disproportionately harms marginalized communities, it's not just a policy change.
It is an injustice and racism.
There is no legal requirement forcing shadow of students' protections.
Hala, finish up, please.
You're over time.
Okay. And if the memorandum of understanding with the police is in conflict, then the memorandum, not the student rights, should be reconsidered.
I urge school committee to reject this change and uphold the protections to all students, regardless of their big grounds.
Thank you, Julie.
Thank you.
Evgenia Vassaletz.
Ms. Vassaletz, did you get...
I unmute myself.
I wrote it down so you're not going to listen to my second language.
We diverse town with students from different cultures, and all of us celebrate a variety of holidays.
And if we will accommodate every holiday, our school year will extend into July.
Ten days ago, I started petition considering federal holidays only calendar for sharing public school next year and received 310 signatures.
I did send a report to you. I'm asking, please think about federal holidays only for 2025, 2026.
Let students to, you know, celebrate the holidays they choose.
Give them excuse absence.
And this proposition doesn't devalue any cultural or religious holiday.
It promotes unity and shows respect for our diverse community.
Thank you very much.
Thank you so much. Mr.
Carmody.
Hello.
Got it.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Hi. Thank you, Julie.
I would like to provide input prior to the discussion and vote on the proposed changes to the school calendar.
My overarching input is to ensure the school district prioritizes quality education and effective use of time during the school year to develop, to deliver the strong curriculum.
But balance this with a sensitivity to individual families, religious beliefs, and holiday celebrations.
Families should be able to keep their child out of school as an excused absence to observe a religious holiday that is meaningful to them. I believe it's appropriate to observe federal holidays as the primary construct for our school calendar, as these are most widely observed and unifying across America.
I've seen an increase in the number of communities and corporate organizations providing federal holidays and two to three personal choice allowance days for individuals.
This would be including for teachers and school administrators to use as they deem most appropriate for their own family needs.
A form of this could be adopted by the Sharon Public Schools. With an understanding, teachers will not be administering any tests or set deadlines for work submitted on any significant religious holiday throughout the year.
Finally, I deem it's important for the school calendar to end by mid-June at the latest in any given year.
Temperatures start to rise significantly.
I have to think about that now.
Making it uncomfortable work and learning environments.
Many camp education and enrichment and travel study abroad programs start by mid-June.
Many community members have extended families overseas and use summer break to spend time visiting and caring for loved ones who are far from home.
And finally, older children in our community often seek summer employment opportunities that commence in mid-June.
Please do not extend the school calendar beyond the current 180 days.
Look for ways to more effectively use the time available throughout the year and fully evaluate the potential to include two to three family choice days for excused absences.
Thank you so much.
Oh, wow. That was bang on, Phil.
Thank you.
Erin Silver.
Ms. Silver.
Hello, everyone.
Thank you for allowing me time to talk tonight.
I am Erin Silver.
I'm a middle school science teacher, and I'm reading a letter on behalf of one of our Sharon Middle School Bridges Program teachers, Stephanie Feeney. Dear Sharon School Committee, I'm writing to you to advocate for our instructional assistants.
IAs do the majority of the hands-on work with our students every day, providing personalized support, assisting with classroom management, and helping ensure that students are receiving the attention and guidance that they need to thrive in all areas of their school day. This includes academically, behaviorally, socially, and emotionally.
IAs have a deep understanding of students' needs, strengths, and challenges.
The schools simply could not function effectively without their support.
However, despite the important role they play, IAs continue to be undercompensated for their hard work.
Many of them are paid at a level that does not reflect the value that they bring to the educational experience, nor do they have the access to benefits that adequately support their well-being.
Given the demands of their work, it is only fair that they receive a higher pay and better insurance benefits.
I strongly encourage the school committee to prioritize increasing the pay and benefits for our instructional assistants.
Thank you for taking time.
Thanks, Ms. Silver.
Ikra Javid, and I'm sorry if I didn't say your name correctly.
That's okay. You did say it correctly.
So my name is Ikra Javid, and I wanted to comment on two issues today.
First, I wanted to comment on the GIH policy.
I do not support changing the policy because the 14 to 18-year-old age range is a very vulnerable population.
They don't understand the complexities of our society in law enforcement, and I cannot imagine someone that age being questioned by law enforcement without a parent being present.
I'm a physician, and in my practice, I see a lot of young adults.
So these are, you know, people who have college degrees.
They have jobs.
They're very competent. And almost all of the time when they're seeing me, they come in with a parent.
And that's because they don't feel comfortable seeing me and just being alone in that situation.
They don't know how to handle some information.
So they feel more comfortable when their parent is there, and they can provide more information and understand what's going on. So how can we expect children who are much younger than that to interact with police or other law personnel without any parents?
So I urge everyone on the school committee not to change the current policy because it's protecting our vulnerable children.
The other issue I want to comment on is the school calendar.
So as you all know, we had a discussion last year to acknowledge and add other religious or cultural holidays, and the result of that was very disappointing because some holidays were only given half days off, which does not really make any sense.
I'm not really sure what the purpose of a half day is because if I'm sending my child to school or keeping them home, it doesn't matter if it's a half day or full day. I count it as a day off.
And I'm not sure if, you know, we're given the half day, if it means the children are only allowed to celebrate their holiday for that half day. So they just go to school and then forget about their holiday for the rest of the day.
So I, you know, want to urge the school committee members to consider the diverse population of Sharon and treat everyone equally and not give preference to certain religions or cultures.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Ben Feinberg.
Thank you, Julie.
And go birds.
Go birds.
I just want to comment briefly on the calendar as well. You know, the job of government bodies in setting up their structures, which includes calendars, is to do what's best for their function.
And the function of the school is obviously to educate the kids. Having all sorts of different holidays on the school calendar doesn't serve that purpose.
It doesn't serve the purpose of accommodating particular kids. It doesn't serve the purpose of fostering education.
What it does is promote the individual holidays that are posted on there.
And it values some over others by giving them a full day over a half day or a half day over no day. And to be honest, that's kind of inappropriate.
The appropriate place to allow for accommodation of religious practice of students and staff is in attendance policies.
Now, I get that there will be days potentially where there isn't sufficient staffing to hold a day because of religious accommodation.
And that's fine.
And the school administration needs to identify those days. And those days should appear on the calendar as such.
But to be honest, other religious holidays should not be on the calendar in any way, shape or form.
There shouldn't be a Rosh Hashanah on there if the schools have enough staff to run on there.
There shouldn't be Eid on there if the schools have enough staff to run on there. The choices of individuals to observe and practice their religion is an individual choice.
And people shouldn't be pushed into that or have that promoted to them by government bodies.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Lori Davis.
Hold on. Sorry.
Did you get it?
Hold on. Oh, there you go.
Okay, great.
So I'm speaking tonight in favor of curriculum coordinators with the talk of the budget going around.
And there's been a lot of conversation around what a curriculum coordinator does as opposed to a department head.
So I'm here to speak about the differences.
And I have firsthand knowledge of that as I was a department head in my last district. So I want to be very clear about what the curriculum coordinators bring that a department head cannot. So at my last district, I was department head and I was required to run a small department of seven people, teach two classes on a block schedule, which was 84 minute periods, develop curriculum, attend building meetings and conduct observations, which held no real power since I was in the same bargaining unit as teachers.
The job was unmanageable as I would be failing either the oversight of the department or in the job of teaching.
And since I've come to Sharon, I observed the work curriculum coordinators do here, and I found them to be nothing short of amazing.
They are experts, experts in their fields, providing classroom observations, which are especially useful now that we are down a vice principal at the high school.
They provide knowledge of the standards and latest pedagogy and writing curriculum for both the middle and high school. Without them, the departments would be lost.
And I mean no disrespect to the work that Dr. Joycelyn does, but to take the curriculum coordinators out of the role, you would be putting the burden of oversight on Dr. Jocelyn for running the whole curriculum of this entire district, K through 12, and to be knowledgeable about this curriculum, which is specialized for each discipline.
A department head would not have the same power or control over alignment from the middle school to high school, something that we are constantly evaluating and improving on.
To list the jobs that these coordinators do would take longer than the two minutes that you will have given me to speak.
However, to say that a district will pay the price in test scores and in rigor and in alignment cannot be understated.
If your sole purpose is to save money, cutting these vital jobs without understanding the premises of them will only later create problems that will require more money and time to fix.
They are trained experts.
If we lose them, this district will suffer and we will no longer be able to remain at the top of the state's performing districts.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Sorry.
Matt Fenlon.
Thanks, Madam Chair.
Last month, the school committee voted once again to charge parents over $3,600 for full day kindergarten.
This continues to make Sharon an extreme outlier in Massachusetts as nearly 95% of districts fund full day kindergarten.
Since last month, at least 80 families have reached out to the school committee requesting the school committee reconsider by reducing the fee for next year and identifying a path for full funding thereafter.
The majority of school committee members have agreed kindergarten should be fully funded, so that is a good start. However, there is still time for the school committee to take action before submitting a final budget next month.
Kindergarten is essential for a child's education and should not be treated as a user fee. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Fenlon.
Lauren Grasso.
Two minutes.
Did it not work? I'm sorry.
I'm good.
Good evening. At a time when our students need protection more than ever, lowering the age at which they are questioned by law enforcement places our most vulnerable students at even greater risk.
Students between the ages of 14 and 18 are still very much minors and should always have a guardian present for any questioning conducted by anyone other than our trusted school staff.
I also want to address an example shared by a member of the school committee on Facebook. But before I get into that, I feel it's important to note that using social media to discuss such critical matters concerning our district is inappropriate.
If the committee wishes to engage with the public, conversations should be allowed to take place here in a formal public forum, not on social media.
Returning to the example posted on Facebook about a student overdosing on school property.
I don't believe that allowing law enforcement to question students would have any positive impact on the situation raised.
In fact, I believe that in an incident of this nature, Narcan would be administered regardless of questioning, as most overdoses are opioid-related and Narcan causes no harm if opioids are not present in the system.
I expect the members of the school committee to use our policies to ensure the safety and rights of our students rather than stripping them of those rights. Thank you.
Thanks, Ms. Grasso.
Ms. Crosby.
Hold on. I'm sorry.
Okay.
Did you get it, Judy? Yeah, I did. Thank you. So first, I thought I'd help you out by reminding you and strongly encouraging every school committee member to go and actually crack open your policy book and look at policy AC, which is your general non-discrimination policy, Julie. Look at policy ACA, which is your non-discrimination policy on the basis of sex, gender, gender identity, sexuality, orientation.
And look at policy ACE, which is your non-discrimination on the basis of disability.
Don't just look at them. Please actually dig in. Give it your attention and read them. Because watching the school committee is quite painful.
Recently, without any opportunity for public comment, you listened to your administration tell you that they were going to remove the listing for foundation courses from your program of studies. Don't worry. They're still going to provide the courses.
But just those SPED kids take them.
Literal quote.
Go back and watch your meeting.
That is shameful.
And none of you said, hey, that's a weird thing to say. By the way, also not true.
If you had talked to your SPED administrator as well as CPAC, you would have known better.
But you were in such a rush to approve this thing that you let an administrator come to the table, disparage SPED kids, and then said, well, you know, we have other SPED programs that aren't listed in the program of studies. So it makes sense to do away with these.
What is the matter with you?
Do you not understand how othering and disgusting that is?
Do you not understand what it means to a parent whose child has been recommended for a foundations class? To open their program of studies and not see it there.
Okay?
Do better.
Read your policies.
When someone asks the chair of this school committee to read the non-discrimination statement that's on your agenda, do better.
Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Crosby.
George Ann Lewis.
Hi, good evening. Thank you.
So I'm just going to tackle piggyback.
I'm not going to get into some big lectures. I just want to voice that.
I'm very concerned about the way this district is moving. We're moving further and further away from being student-centered.
To Ms. Crosby's point, to others' points about the 14 to 18-year-old proposed change, the calendar not being federal. I just want to speak out and say I am a proponent of following a federal calendar, keeping the policy for 14 to 18-year-olds the way it is. And probably also as equally important, if not more, is we need to take care of all of our staff.
We need to maintain our staffing ratios, our integrity.
Special education numbers are way out of whack. And we do not take care of our instructional aids.
And this stuff needs to change if we want to be not just high-performing, but student-centered.
Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Lewis.
Linda Tchvakova.
Thank you, Julie.
Do you hear me?
Yes.
Thank you, Madam Chairman.
All right.
I didn't write anything down. I just wanted to talk to you, even though it just gets two minutes. For those of you who don't know me, I am both parent here. I have child in every single school, elementary, middle, and high. And I'm also a teacher in eighth grade, science teacher.
I am here to talk about the calendar, mostly as a parent, but also as a teacher.
I would prefer from both of my positions for it to be a federal days-only calendar.
I don't want to repeat all the reasons that were said, but I want to just give some examples and maybe some perspective.
When Rotary Alliance Club, a few years ago, did a big survey of how many nationalities are in town, it was more than 80.
80 nationalities, different religions.
We are a super diverse town.
And by trying to offer everybody a day or half a day, we just cannot do it. We have a huge Russian population.
We are not offering Orthodox Christmas.
We are not offering Three Kings Day. My Polish and Eastern European friends out there, we are not offering Dingus or Easter Monday after Easter.
We just cannot accommodate.
And it's not ideal to have a federal-only calendar, but it's the most fair, I think, we can have to not to have some families feel that they are overlooked and excluded.
For example, my family feels this way with the calendar.
I also, as a teacher, would like to say that half day means I have 20-plus minutes with each class in middle school.
That means I can teach for 15 minutes per class on that day.
So you can see that's probably not much I can teach on that day.
So those days are not useful and effective in school. So I would urge you to re-look at again and look at the petition that Evgenia sent you that over 300 people just in 10 days said, of course, I want federal days-only calendar.
I think it would be the most fair as a parent and as a teacher.
Very much.
Thanks, Linda.
Wendy MacArthur.
There you go. First of all, I just want to start off by saying, you know, I am so deeply disappointed by this administration that they have failed to acknowledge or address the impact of recent comments made by both the government officials and the members of our town, particularly on our most marginalized students.
These students already face significant challenges, and the rhetoric being used only exasperates their struggles, creating an environment that feels like a lot of people. It's increasingly hostile and unwelcoming.
I want to express my gratitude to Shana tonight for taking the time to clearly articulate the committee's position.
Thank you, Shana, for putting that out there that this is what the committee is standing for.
I wish the administration would do the same. However, if the commitment is truly sincere, then the committee must also recognize that the proposed policy change lowering the age requirement from 18 to 14 will have a direct and disproportionate effect on these very students.
As a district, we have a commitment to a mission that states, quote, from the website, we strive to provide educational community that nurtures each student on their unique journey, unique journey, to be lifelong learners and caring and engaged citizens of our world. If we truly uphold this mission, we must consider not just the intent of our policies, but their real world consequences.
A nurturing educational community does not ignore the voices of our most vulnerable students, nor does it enact policies that might further marginalize them.
I urge the committee and the administration to take a step back, listen to those most effective, and ensure that any change made to reflect our collective responsibility to create a truly supportive and educational environment for all. And then I also want to say I 100% support all of our IA instructional assistants.
They're amazing.
Thanks, Wendy. That was bang on.
HEMA.
Did you get it?
You got it?
Oh.
You all set?
Sorry.
Sorry. Am I up?
You're on. Yeah. Okay, great. Thank you so much.
Sorry, I'm doing a kid pickup at the same time.
I didn't come prepared with comments today, but I just wanted to address the issue of lowering the age to 14.
You know, in this moment and culture of repression and anti-immigrant sentiment, you know, there are some significant concerns that are raised to really create a culture of intimidation in our schools at this time. You know, as a former immigration practitioner, we see so many examples of cases, even in Massachusetts, where law enforcement and immigration are mingled.
And I just want to say, I think this is a serious issue. And I just want to say, I think this is a serious issue and it does not keep us safer. It creates a culture of intimidation in our schools for vulnerable youth.
And I'm really strongly hoping the school committee will make the right choice and keep the policy as is and keep our kids and our communities protected.
Thank you. Thanks.
Thanks.
Drive safely.
I'm going back to my school pickup, my kid pickup.
Bye.
Drive safely.
All right.
And I'm now going to call Ed Aissa.
And I apologize if I said your name wrong.
Oh, hi. Hi, everyone.
Sorry. I'm going to be quick. I wanted to question a question to the vote that happened during the last meeting and to the members who voted to add the second day of Rosh Hashanah.
How what was the reason behind that vote?
We went from an extremely exclusive calendar last year to an old federal calendar, only for federal calendar.
And then again, to slightly less exclusive calendar.
And then during the prior meetings, multiple.
And you mentioned that we're going to look at the data and we're going to decide about the school calendar.
And I thought, OK, so we seem like the decision was made. Let's look at the data of attendance.
And based on this, we'll decide on the school calendar. However, during the last meeting, the data did not support adding the secondary of Rosh Hashanah.
The teacher's clear request was to not to extend the school calendar into further days into June.
However, school committee members voted, definitely certain members, to go ahead with that proposal.
There is an obvious bias. And I wish I would ask the school committee members to show integrity in the decision making and voting.
Because obviously what you claim that you're going to do, that's what you vote for. Mr. Shemtov, Mr. Mutenko, you claim before, too, that you represent every student in our schools, which obviously, I mean, the voting last meeting does not show that. If you walk to any of our schools, you will realize how diverse our schools are.
We have people from everywhere.
And having a very exclusive calendar, what we have right now, excluding vast majority of the students in our town.
Thank you. Thank you so much.
And are we done?
Is that everyone?
Did everyone?
Okay, great.
I would like to thank everyone for showing up and sharing your thoughts about these important things.
And I was listening to everybody.
Great.
So the next item on the agenda is the discussion of the calendar.
So I would like to, Avi, would you like me to bounce this to you as the chair of the calendar committee?
Or do you want me to start it off?
Do we have the three versions of the calendar ready to put up on the screen at any point? Or I know everyone has had an opportunity to see them.
I, I, the three, what three versions are you, the three that you. Sorry, the three that the FDA.
I can grab, I didn't, they're in your folder.
So I can read them that way.
I can read them.
I can read them. So the, what happened was.
Hold on. If we're going to, I just didn't know.
I didn't know I would leave this discussion, but I have no problem doing that. I was just going to say, I'm just, I'm not set up. I just wasn't set up to share the screen.
But I think the, the summary real quick for where we are is last meeting, we voted two versions of a calendar to submit to the sharing teachers union. And again, just for any, any folks watching who aren't aware, the agreement between the sharing teachers association and this district is that if this committee passes a calendar that starts before Labor Day, or in order for us to start before Labor Day, we require an agreement with the STA on that calendar.
If the STA does not agree, or we, or we choose to start post Labor Day, that, that's, that's a different option.
So we can, in short, have a calendar, either a, that starts before Labor Day, and we can agree with the STA on, or we can start post Labor Day.
Last year, I think I speak for the, for a real majority of this town that's starting post Labor Day.
And certainly in the way that we went about handling that calendar created a lot of heartache.
So at this moment, the sharing teachers association, which is not normally the way that the process works, but was kind enough to send us three versions of the calendars that they believe fit their membership survey information.
So we all have three versions of a calendar.
They are somewhat, I mean, they're, they're, at least one version is pretty different than the other two.
They do all incorporate some days that the STA was honest with us, their membership very much values, like the, the day at the end of holiday break next year, the day before Thanksgiving, et cetera.
And so if we, my belief or my view is that tonight we should vote all three of those calendars and any one of them that passes with four votes from this committee, I believe, my opinion is we should then send back to the STA. And any calendar that this committee can pass.
If that's one, then that becomes the calendar.
If that is more than one, then the STA will vote and ratify one of those calendars and we'll, we'll move on from there.
We would then just have to vote it again.
If, if people don't object to voting all three of them, because again, I think this community feels very passionately and strongly and not necessarily all on the same page about these calendars.
So I think we owe it to this community to give all three of these calendars that the STA has sent to us an honest shake.
And again, if we're unable to pass any of them, then we're going to have to be discussing different options and how we proceed.
But again, the STA took the time and the energy to create these three versions.
Jane has, has looked them. We would have to vote them just, and I say Jane, Peter also has looked at them. We would have to, I think, vote them contingent on an administrative review or view by administration just to make sure they meet all the needs from like a half day perspective, PD perspective, et cetera.
So that, that's what I'd like to do here is put all, give all three calendars an honest, fair shake to vote.
Any calendar that gets four votes, send over to the STA and move forward.
All right.
All right.
Well, that sounds all right to me. So I will then bring forward calendar one.
Calendar one has early release days for all of the religious observance days.
And somebody had asked during the comments about why there was a half day. And the reason that there was a half day on certain holidays was so that families could skip school without missing like a whole bunch of important information.
And that was the purpose.
It didn't have anything to do with the time of day of worship or anything like that. It was really just to make it easier on families.
We do have to have 11 or 12.
I forget the exact number of the half days throughout the year.
So what we, what we would do in calendar one is kind of schedule those early release days on days like Rosh Hashanah day one, Rosh Hashanah day two, Yom Kippur, Diwali, Eid al-Fitr, Good Friday, and Eid al-Adha.
And the vacation would include Wednesday of Thanksgiving.
It would include a winter break that starts on December 24th and goes through January 2nd.
And it would start before Labor Day on August 27th.
So if I hear a motion, we can take, would anyone like me to repeat any of that? Are you looking at it?
Okay.
All right. So I will accept a motion to approve calendar one.
So I think, I think I might have it set up to be able to put on the screen.
I think we have to be able to look at this, especially just for the public to be able to see it.
All right.
I know how passionate the community is about this. And I just want to make sure everybody has an option to see this. So let me try to. Good idea.
All right. Jeremy, did you want to say something while Avi is doing this?
I just thought we should put it on the screen.
Okay. If we can.
All right.
So this is calendar one.
Do you have the other sheet where it kind of lists everything out?
Like the second page of that?
Yeah.
It's turned to the side. Okay. Never mind.
But it lists everything out right here.
So again, it shows that the first day would be August 27th. The last day, the 180th day, I should say, would be June 11th.
The 185th day would be June 18th.
And it shows what days would be off.
So this is the calendar that has no school on Indigenous Peoples Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, and Memorial Day. And then it has half days on days like Yom Kippur, Rosh Hashanah, Day 1, Day 2, Diwali, Eid, both Eids, Good Friday.
So this is calendar one.
Avi, I have it up turned through my way up. Is that helpful if I share it and you can walk through it? That would be super helpful.
All right. So let me stop sharing.
Oh, let me come back to the Zoom screen here.
So you're talking to somebody that uses Teams most of the time, but Jesper, let me give one second.
There we go. Thank you. You all see my screen like that?
Mm-hmm.
It's awesome.
Okay. So, Avi, I'm not giving up the 40.
You can certainly go through it, but I just thought I could share it so people can see it. Yeah, it's fine. You're on the calendar subcommittee too.
I think the important thing here is just that everybody in the community see exactly what the version is that we're looking at.
So I guess, Julie, if you want to call for a motion or I can.
Avi, just one thing to make clear. They're just, they don't list it, but just that Wednesday before Thanksgiving and January 2nd are no school days on that as well.
Right.
Shauna, did you want to say something?
Yes, please. Is it possible to see the actual calendar?
I'm just very visual and I think it's just helpful.
My version has the normal way.
Allen's has that one sideways.
It's in the drive.
No, no, no. I know. I just think it's, I think it's visually, visual appeal.
Hold on. I can do this, Shauna. Hold on one second.
Sorry.
No, no. Not a problem.
Not a problem.
Oh, look at that, Allen. You're so good.
Of all those yellow days is a lot.
Jeremy?
Yeah, I agree with Shauna.
That seems very disruptive.
It's a lot of half days or working parents, especially who have to work, go into an office.
Well, we do have 11 or 12 half days, usually for professional development and parent teacher conferences.
So we're not really adding net days.
We're just sort of moving them.
I mean, I count 15 half days on this calendar.
Okay.
Well, I think if there's a note. Okay. Well, I tend to agree.
You know, I tend to agree with both Shauna and Jeremy in this case. So, again, I guess if somebody would like to make a motion, I would entertain a motion to approve calendar one.
Can I ask a question?
Of course. I apologize.
I apologize. Would the other members be amenable to reviewing all three calendars first and then voting on each calendar separately as opposed to voting on one at a time without the community seeing all three? Sure. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sure. Sure. The only thing that I would just say, and I don't mean to be snarky when I say this, the voting purpose of this meeting is the board, the seven members for whom this is a meeting.
I trust and want to hope that all of us have reviewed these calendars.
So to me, to review all three and then vote them feels a little redundant, but I'm comfortable doing that if that's what people would prefer.
Alan, do you want us to do that? No, I mean, I think if I'm in the minority on that and there's agreement, we should vote one at a time. I have no problem with that.
Okay.
Shauna, you got something?
Yeah, I think, Alan, I appreciate your sentiment.
I think that we've all seen that, and I think we can move ahead with a vote.
Okay.
So, again, I'll entertain a motion to approve calendar one.
All right. Hearing no.
Did somebody make a motion?
Shauna, are you making a motion?
No.
All right.
Hearing no motion, we can move to calendar two.
Alan, can you scroll?
Do this first.
All right. So calendar two is the calendar that looks the most like this school year that we have now.
So this calendar does have a day off on Rosh Hashanah day one.
It has a day off on Yom Kippur.
It has a day off on Indigenous Peoples Day, on Veterans Day, on Thanksgiving.
It includes, sorry.
So on Thanksgiving, it's including the Wednesday.
No, I apologize.
This is the one.
Oh, yes, it does. Yep. This is, it does include the Wednesday.
It includes January 2nd at the end of holiday break. It includes MLK Day.
If I didn't say Good Friday already, I think I did, but it includes Good Friday.
Then it includes Memorial Day. It does have, I count, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
I count 11 half days on this calendar.
So four less half days on this calendar. But again, that's because there are three more holidays with full days off on this calendar.
Jeremy?
Just double check. 11 is the number of half days that we have to have anyways?
Or is that the rule?
I don't know if there's a set.
Peter, how many half days do we need? Or Dr. Ritello, how many half days do we need for PD?
Is this the minimum possible half days?
11?
Yeah, I think with the combination of PD, but also some of them are just strictly conference days. Yes, that's the number.
Okay, 11.
All right.
Julie?
I was going to say that I think whatever motion we pass, we could just say subject to making sure the administration has the right number of days. Yep.
Yeah, I said at the beginning of the discussion.
Yep. Alan?
I would like to just talk for a minute if I can, Avi, about this particular calendar.
You know, I've come to realize that I put us here to some extent by insisting that we try to put back on the table of Rosh Hashanah Day 2. And I did that because I said very clearly and unambiguously during the campaign that I thought we would become, that we don't become a more diverse, inclusive, and pluralistic community by taking away Rosh Hashanah Day 2, taking away any holiday that's been on our books and observed by our community for a long time. And I think especially when folks in our community have grown to move here and to rely on the holidays that are here.
At the same time, I certainly support trying to recognize as many holidays as practical and plausible.
And I've said that from the beginning.
And so to the extent that my vote last week may have confused anybody, that's why I made the vote that I made.
We're at a point right now where the Sharing Teachers Association sort of has us over a barrel. They get to control, as you've indicated before, at this point, whether we start before Labor Day or after Labor Day.
And while the calendar that we're looking at right now isn't what I would necessarily consider to be perfect, I think it is critical that we start for the district, start before Labor Day.
And I think it's critical as well that we not put off a vote on this issue any longer.
All the calendars before us generally don't address the data that was obtained both in the parent survey or in the absence data that was gained from this year.
And I realize some of that data can be judged both ways. But in general, none of these calendars really adhere to that data.
Not the least of which is that most of these calendars don't consider the fact that there are certain holidays.
We're not going to simply be able to operate the schools. And so by very definition, we're going to have to acknowledge some of our holidays.
It was disappointing to me that the STA did not support a full day off for the second day of Rosh Hashanah because they said that the data didn't support that.
But then with this calendar that we're looking at, they added holidays that the data also didn't support.
So I feel as though that wasn't really intellectually straightforward.
Having said that, I'm going to vote for this calendar because I think of the options that we are presented at this time, this is the best one for our district.
Thank you.
Anybody else have anything they want to say? Jeremy?
I'm looking at calendar three.
I know we're doing one at a time.
There are only eight half days on this one, on that one and 11 on this one.
So I'm confused, Botello, when you said that we need 11 half days.
Why there's eight on the next one? Is that going to be an operational issue?
I'm not in charge here, but I would say it's a little strange to call the doctor, call the superintendent of public schools, Botello. I think Dr. Botello might be more appropriate.
Thank you for correcting me, Albie. But the numbers are mismatching.
Like, why are there eight and one? So, Jeremy, just for clarification purposes, these are the calendars sent to us by the Sharon Teachers Association.
We will have to vote them contingent on administration, reviewing them and making sure they have all the district's needs. So I think, in fairness, that would be a question for the STA.
They put eight half days on one and 11 on another and 15 on one. That's why I asked Dr. Botello here in public what the minimum number was, and he's comfortable saying that that's around 11.
I would entertain a motion on the calendar.
Okay.
Can I say something about this calendar?
Okay. I did a lot of the analysis for the calendars last year, and I studied all the data that we collect.
And I know that everyone feels that it was a flawed survey, but I still think there's some directional information.
The purpose of giving days off for holidays was not to honor a holiday or disrespect someone by not honoring the holiday.
The purpose was based on attendance.
And in that survey, it showed that there was going to be a lack of attendance on Rosh Hashanah Day 1, Yom Kippur, and a significant chunk, but less, for Rosh Hashanah Day 2.
And that number was about the same as for Good Friday and Diwali.
The next one down was Chinese New Year, and the next one down was Eid al-Fitr.
We felt at the time that if we could make those half days, then it would make families feel better about skipping those days. We also could acknowledge the lack of attendance on some of those holidays, some of which is because we will not have students in school.
Others, because we were informed by the teachers last year that they would be missing Good Friday.
I think probably because their kids are in districts where Good Friday is off. So I think that this is a good mix of practical and attendance based, which is what we should always be focusing on and adding a little bit of honor to other people in town.
So I would move this motion.
I see two hands up before I call for a second.
Jeremy. Jeremy.
I'm sorry.
I didn't put it down. But, I mean, it seems like a lot of towns near us only have eight or nine half days.
So maybe we'd run things differently here.
But this does seem like a high number of half days.
Dr. Bertello, is it possible to get by with eight or nine half days? I know our half days are based on certain contractual situations and the way we run PD and whatnot.
But, so I don't, I don't have a way to know that answer, but.
I mean, I need to, I need to analyze it, but I think typically the combination we have around 11, that's not necessarily that many for every school.
But I, so I need to, to look at that. Jeremy, I've been reliably informed that pre-COVID there were always 11 half days.
And like lately we've had 11 or 12.
So I think that's because we actually do provide good professional development for our teachers, which I know is an issue you were concerned about. I mean, we spend a lot less than other districts on it, on a per teacher basis.
I'm not going to debate the metrics.
I just moved the motion.
I don't know if anyone wants to second it.
Well, I see. Let's just take Adam's question and then we can see if there's a second.
Adam.
Thanks, Javi. I just want to clarify for the motion and for the calendars we're voting.
I know that there's kind of the handwritten notes kind of on each where, like both here we note they're missing kind of early release, but on the calendar and they were missing an early release for PD.
And then actually if you, if you scroll up and rotate, you'd see like we're missing a different maybe early release.
I can explain that. I just want to make sure we know which one is, like which days we're voting on.
I can explain that if it's helpful.
Sure.
Thank you, Jane. Sorry.
That was just a quick comparison.
These were the calendars that the STA sent back to us. And I think the goal would have been that, for example, on calendar one, that the calendar version, the picture version of the calendar aligned with the spreadsheet that explained it.
But that wasn't the case. So that's what my notes are about so that you can understand what's not aligned.
I think my recommendation would be, for example, on all three of them, they neglected to include a PD that is typically on our calendars in January.
And it was on all of the versions that we sent to them, but it wasn't on any of the versions that they sent back to us, which is why you'll see at the bottom of all my calendars, I say, you know, missing, missing 115 early release PD. On this version of the calendar, they were missing, but on this calendar, you don't see it highlighted, 527 early release EID, but I think it's in their spreadsheet.
So that's, I'm just trying to, I was just trying to compare.
Thank you, Jane.
That makes complete sense.
And that was my understanding as well. I just, I wanted to clarify for the committee, because I don't exactly understand, like if we vote on this calendar, which of those dates are included or are not included in the vote.
So I'll make a friendly amendment, Julie. I would ask that we vote this calendar contingent on both administration's review in order to make sure that this calendar meets the district's needs, but also with the directive from this committee that we aim, without reducing the half days to recognize holidays, to have as few half days as the district can possibly have. I share both Shauna and Jeremy's concerns, and I think the community's concerns, that we have too many half days. And half days are, I think, often an overlooked burden on parents.
As somebody mentioned during public comment tonight, for some folks, it requires a full day off in order for them to be able to get their kids halfway through the day.
I think this committee hopefully recognizes that. I believe we do. So that would, my friendly amendment would just be to act with a directive that in that review administration look to reduce the half days to the lowest number that they can possibly get by with based on our contract and PD needs.
I agree and accept your friendly amendment.
And I'll second that motion.
All right, Adam.
Yes.
Julie.
Yes.
Jeremy.
No.
Dan.
Yes.
Shauna.
No.
I called out.
Alan.
I didn't hear you. Sorry. Yes.
And I am a yes.
Motion carries five, two.
Calendar two has passed.
Now on to calendar three.
So calendar three, I believe, is the calendar that they refer to as essentially an adjusted federal, federal only calendar. It does again have the day before Thanksgiving off.
It has the day at the end of holiday break off. But other than that, it sticks to a federal only calendar recognizing only Indigenous Peoples Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Memorial Day. The early release days are, as Jeremy pointed out, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
It looks like nine. So, again, that's a lower number.
Obviously, still, we need a motion that would include a review of that.
But same directive.
You know, we have no reason to add more if we don't need them. Go ahead, Shauna.
I was going to move it forward.
Okay. I would entertain a motion unless there's discussion to be had. I'd like to make a motion to move the federal holiday calendar forward, please.
We have a second.
Second.
All right.
Shauna.
Yes.
Jeremy.
Yes.
Julie.
No.
Dan.
No.
Adam.
No.
Alan.
No. No.
And I'm a no.
Motion is defeated.
Two yes, five no.
All right. We have one calendar that we have passed.
And we will send that back to the STA for official approval.
Done with the calendar for now.
Thank you, Avi.
You're welcome.
Thank you very much.
Okay. So, the next item on the agenda is the town meeting warrant article.
So, the context is that there was some legislation approved in Massachusetts.
They approved a bill that will permit cities and towns in the Commonwealth to install automated traffic enforcement cameras on school buses. And this bill would allow districts to decide whether to install those camera systems that take pictures and videos of vehicles that may be in violation of laws that prohibit passing a stopped bus or whatever.
Local police departments would review the footage and determine whether fines should be issued and buses with automated cameras would be marked.
The districts that use the systems would be required to file annual reports to the state.
They cannot allow the vendors to use data for any other purpose.
So, this is a motion that is supported by the MASC.
And we have been asked to discuss this.
And if we are interested in allowing the town to do this, it doesn't mean we are going to do this.
But leaving the option open, it has to be sent to town meetings.
So, that's why we have to discuss it right now.
And we would simply pass a motion that says, I had it right here.
It would simply be a warrant from the school committee saying acceptance of legislation to see if the town will vote to accept it. So, is there any debate on the topic?
Adam, I think I included everything, right? Adam, I think so.
Right?
Just to make sure everyone is on the same page.
In order to enable, if we wanted to allow law enforcement to issue citations in compliance with this new law, then we need to have this warrant approved at town meeting.
So, we talked to Fred.
Fred said, because the warrant kind of articles are currently being considered, he said it's not too late.
He can kind of bring this for inclusion if we are so inclined and ask them to include it in the warrant.
If we don't at this point, what that would mean is we just can take no action kind of pursuant to this law until next year at next town meeting if we chose to include the warrant article at that point.
So, we are trying to see if there is interest in enabling that discussion and vote at town meeting.
The, the, this, just to clarify, to be crystal clear, this would not be us discussing whether to put buses, put it, put this technology on buses.
It's just allowing us if we wanted to. And, of course, if we ever did, or if we had, like, the funds available to, to do that, would we do it? There would, there would obviously be a discussion about that in the future.
Dan?
Thanks.
Is, who has the final decision in terms of whether to actually implement this and put cameras on school buses and start mailing fines to people?
Is it, assuming this goes on the warrant, it passes the town meeting requirements, who has that final decision about whether to actually do that or not? Is it the town would need to vote it again specifically?
Is it the police department gets to decide? Is it that we have the decision?
Does everybody need to agree? Could somebody just walk me through it? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Is it? Is it?
My understanding from reading this is that it would be the school committees that would be making the final decision.
So we'd have another opportunity to vote on that.
Yes. Oh, yes.
Yes, yes, yes. We would, you know, should it come up at some point in the future?
Yes, we would have definitely have a discussion.
Alan? Alan?
Alan? Alan? Alan? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan? I was just going to move that we decide to advance this issue to town meeting to keep open the option of adopting this as a future policy for the safety of our children in the district.
Alan? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan? Alan?
Alan?
Alan?
Alan?
Alan?
Yes.
Is there a second? A second?
A second.
Alan?
Yes.
Shauna?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Shauna? Shauna, are you there?
I'll come back.
Dan?
Yes.
Oh, Adam, did you want to say something?
I just want to ask if you had the language that could either be kind of shown on screen or to make sure we know in the motion what the warrant article should entail.
Okay.
Let me do that.
Can you see this?
To see if the town will to vote to accept one, the provisions of MGL to the extent that acceptance is necessary, the provisions of MGL and as added by chapter, our law firm did this for us. To permit the installation operation and maintenance of school bus violation, detect monitoring systems on school buses or take any action related there to. That would be the intent that would be the warrant. That would be like the warrant.
I mean, we can always change it. We can always change it. Thank you. I thought it'd just be helpful to show and make sure everyone could see until we have recorded exactly what the warrant article would look like.
Right.
So all we'd be doing is accepting the law. That that has already been passed. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So should I stop the share? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Are you still reading it? Stop it. Okay.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Good. Um, any discussion?
Okay.
Um, so the motion has been moved. Um, it's been seconded and we are now voting on whether to, um, send this warrant to the town meeting.
Jeremy.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy. Jeremy.
Jeremy.
Sorry.
Yes.
Shana.
Are you here? Oh, Shana dropped off. That's right. Um, she had to go. Dan.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Alan.
Yes.
Adam.
Yes.
Avi.
Yes.
And I'm a yes.
Thank you very much. We will have this sent to Fred.
Um, the next item on the agenda is the policy subcommittee and I'm going to hand it over to Dan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. Would it be possible to pull up the presentation and advance the slides for me that worked really well last time. Great.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks so much. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, hi everyone. We have a policy update for you tonight. Uh, we really appreciate the time on the agenda and we'll try to move through everything as quickly as we can. Uh, these are a couple of slides from last time. Um, their background about our process. The purpose of subcommittee is to research policies, develop recommendations about them and bring recommendations to the full school committee.
So that's what we're doing tonight. Um, some things we just want you to know about how our subcommittee operates, uh, before you.
And we're going to review and vote on these policies is that we accept good ideas from anywhere.
Some of these proposals you'll see tonight came from our administration.
Some of them came from the public. Some of them came from our legal council and whatever the source of them is, uh, we go out and try to consult key stakeholders, uh, identify who those are and incorporate any input they have for all the recommendations we make. And often we will do everything we can to try to implement any state, any feedback we receive.
Uh, the Massachusetts, the mask or Massachusetts association school committees, or however you want to say it does a lot of work for us, uh, by, we are a member district that we pay to belong by preparing model policies.
And these are what many districts across Massachusetts use. So they develop them with their legal team and study of policies and people who are experienced in education and policy matters.
And they come up with a version that they recommend in districts adopt. So we always begin by reviewing what. Mask did first in terms of developing a model policy. If there is one. Our superintendent and staff review all proposals.
We make sure that they agree with what we're bringing to the table for legal matters. We have.
Council review. Uh, there's no custom language from policy subcommittee in any of our proposals tonight.
You will not see anything that I or others on the subcommittee wrote. We didn't take the pen. We want you to know that everything you'll see tonight comes directly from a trusted source. It could be from the mask model policy. It could be the state department of education.
It could be our legal council, uh, or it could be language from an existing policy that we reviewed and we feel is working really well. And we don't want to change it. I want to keep it. So everything comes from one of those sources.
Uh, let's see.
Uh, yeah.
Next slide.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. We began the year with an extraordinarily ambitious goal, I think, which was to do a zero based review of all of our policies in the handbook and, and try to fix our entire handbook and bring it up to date. We're on track to meet that goal.
Uh, we think everyone on school committee for your important part in this process, reviewing these policies with us, asking questions, voting on them. So, uh, just as a reminder, last December, we approved the first large batch of proposals consistent with that goal. These fixed many of the errors that were in our handbook.
They relocated reference materials of our administrative staff have been a wonderful help to us in getting all that done. Uh, we, uh, um, we updated a large batch of proposals that we flagged that are now accurate and back in effect and we can actually use again.
Um, so all of this, I think has already had a huge impact on our policies and our handbook and how credible it is. So, uh, just give ourselves a little pat on the back. Uh, tonight we have the second and likely final batch of these types of proposals.
So if we get through the dispatch together and review them and ultimately, uh, vote to adopt some or all of them, we'll have fixed all of the policies that we flagged for update as part of that zoo. So I think that would be quite an accomplishment.
So that's what we're here to do tonight. Uh, we're not, uh, and, and we're not, um, voting on any policies tonight.
This is just a first read only. So we would allow, uh, weeks to go by for us to think about them and study them and receive even additional feedback.
And, uh, then we would vote on them sometime in the future. All right, let's get into it. So our first proposals tonight are food service policies.
Food service policies, EF and EFC. So a lot has changed in food services over the past five years. You might've noticed we went through COVID, uh, state laws changed, funding's changed, and there's a new state universal launch program that we participate in. So as you would expect over a period like that, our food service policies, EF and EFC have become really out of date. Uh, they also kind of duplicate each other in their scope when you read them. So you see the full policies actually right here. Uh, so some specific problems are that EF right there on the bottom refers to programs that don't exist anymore.
Type A lunches and things. I research them. We use different terms now. There's different programs. Uh, that policy EF does not have a mask model policy, which can be a red flag of sorts.
EFC at the top, uh, does have a mask model policy, but this isn't updated to the latest mask model policy, which describes those new state programs like universal lunches.
So we consulted with our food services staff. They're one of our main stakeholders for these policies, and they're recommending that we rescind that policy on the bottom EF that is out of date, doesn't have a mask model policy, kind of duplicates the same scope as EFC and update EFC to the newest mask policy to reflect all these changes.
So those aren't actually edits you see on the right per se, at least not that we implemented.
Certain mask model policies require tailoring to your specific school district based on which programs you participate in. Um, so we'll see some of those tonight. So these edits you see on the right are, uh, what food services did to tailor the policy so that it's accurate for sharing.
Is there any discussion?
Uh, what we'll pause after every single one of these proposals and give people an opportunity to speak if they have any questions or comments.
It seems pretty straightforward.
Okay, thank you.
Uh, next slide. So, uh, ADF is our wellness policy.
Wellness covers nutrition and physical education.
Uh, state audit flagged ADF for being out of date.
So when you have a policy that says you're doing something and you're not actually doing it, um, this is pretty common, uh, in the policy world. An audit will note that and they'll recommend that you update the policy or start doing what you say you should be doing. So, uh, that's one of many reasons to have up to date policies.
When you read our existing wellness policy ADF, you notice right away, uh, I guess it's not up on the screen right now, but you can, you can look it up. It's, it says that there's a district wellness committee and it says all these things are supposed to be doing meeting regularly issuing reports every year doing this doing that. It also says that every building in our district should actually have its own wellness committee.
That's not, uh, not something we're currently doing. I'm not ashamed to admit. It's not something other towns do. That's a lot of administrative burden, as you could expect, uh, writing all these reports, all these committees.
So, um, the mask model policy does not recommend any of that. So, um, it's just a lot of requirements we're placing on ourselves that we're not actually doing maybe because it's not feasible really. So updating to the mask model policy in this instance would resolve all these conflicts.
Uh, it's a simpler policy. You can see it right there, although it is longer and it continues a little bit. You can take a look at the model policy in full if you like, but it's kind of more along these lines. And, um, we would still have a district wide wellness committee, which is in the model policy, uh, school committee would have a representative on it, but it would only meet as necessary.
And it wouldn't be obligated to publish all those reports. And those school building specific wellness, extra wellness committees are not part of the mask model policy. So, uh, at the request of our food services staff, we had them review this recommendation as well. We would keep a brief note about allergies awareness.
You see that right there on the bottom left. That is from our existing policy and food services takes allergies very seriously as they should. So they have asked that we just retain that one piece of the existing policy when we update to the mask policy.
So, uh, we're recommending that we do that. Oh, Dan.
Uh, would you take out the line that says the wellness committee recognizes like you would reword that so not to refer back to the wellness committee?
Uh, we do have a wellness committee now. Yeah.
And they recommended it at some point. Uh, I presume the future wellness committees might as well, but you know, that's, that's up for discussion.
I'm happy to recommend removing it or we could just leave it as, as is, but that was the note they asked us to just keep. Is there a preference or any other discussion?
So over here on the right ADF, this is the MISC or yes.
Okay.
Oh, and the one additional, there's a, there's a blank space in there. You see where it says a wellness program coordinator title. Uh, that's where many districts just fill in superintendent or designate.
There's just recognizes the superintendent is the administrative head of many of these kinds of programs and they can delegate staff to do things as appropriate.
So that that's the recommendation there. Okay.
If there's no further discussion, um, next slide, please. HB is our policy on negotiations.
It says we need to bargain in good faith.
We're recommending to eliminate that. No, I'm just kidding. We're not recommending that. Um, we're keeping that provision, uh, but HB is out of date specifically.
It contains a requirement.
You see there underlined on the left that, uh, actually our select board should vote on school committee negotiations.
Uh, obviously that hasn't been our practice. I don't think it's a common practice.
Um, it originated somewhere, but we had. We flagged this. We had, uh, on the advice of the administration, we had legal counsel review it. It's not required by town bylaws for select board to vote on our negotiations.
And arguably from what council describes, it's contrary to what our role was supposed to be. So council is recommending to update to the mask model policy that you see on the right. And to just add a legal citation you see there in green, uh, to direct people to the relevant portion of the state law, which is chapter 150. Uh, but updating to the mask model policy would resolve that outdated requirement.
Is there any discussion?
Okay.
Straight forward. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. Straight forward. Policy IA is an odd one. Uh, it's called instructional goals. It doesn't have a mask model policy associated with it. Uh, it does, when you read, it seemed to be more descriptive.
It doesn't really have a clear policy purpose, at least not the way I, I, I would say that. So, uh, we do have another policy, uh, that called policy IGA, which covers curriculum development.
And that policy IGA does follow a mask model policy.
It's more descriptive about roles and how curriculum should be developed.
And we're recommending to not make any change to that. Uh, we reviewed this policy IA with the administration and we all came to the same conclusion and agreed.
It was probably unnecessary and kind of duplicates that same space as IGA, but not as effectively.
So, uh, our recommendation is to just rescind this policy and, uh, just use IGA. Is there any discussion?
Okay.
Yep.
Next please.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. Um, this, uh, policy JIH is our questioning and searches policy.
Um, so this deals with matters of law enforcement and what student rights are during things like property searches, uh, what the protocols our schools need to follow when law enforcement, uh, needs to question a student.
So, uh, like the, many of the other policies tonight, it's out of date. Uh, and we're recommending we update it. Now, given the gravity of this subject matter, everyone here recognizes the importance of taking our time with this one. I think getting it right.
Uh, so my presentation of this policy will be a little longer than those other ones we just rushed through. So, uh, please be patient with me. I had the benefit because I was tasked with doing it with working directly with our excellent legal counsel in this instance.
I just want every buddy on the school committee, my colleagues, and also the members of the public to have the same benefit of the background and the advice we've been getting from legal counsel that, that I've had in making this recommendation.
So, um, the gravity of the subject is why, um, we worked with administration and we both, uh, heavily relied on our legal counsel on this policy.
Uh, we wanted to be very careful with it. And the version that you will see on the next slide in a minute, um, is, is what counsel drafted for us and is what we're recommending for us to adopt. So, so just some background information from this slide. Uh, counsel's recommendations reflect the latest case law in Massachusetts on questioning and searches.
And they describe the appropriate roles of our school and law enforcement.
They also align the policy with our latest, uh, memorandum of understanding MOU that we have with Sharon's police department.
Um, uh, uh, we'll, we'll have a discussion, uh, in a minute, if everyone, just be patient for a second. I want to get to everybody, any questions anyone has. Um, so, um, that MOU with the police department is based on a state template agreement, uh, that we have, and many additional other districts.
And many additional other districts have adopted. So, uh, I'd recommend personally that we put that MOU, um, somewhere on the public website if we can, but I would like to just follow up with the administration after the call and explore what the best way to do that might be if everyone agrees. So this last paragraph here is a list of the stakeholders we consulted before bringing counsel's recommendation.
We consulted our police chief, the school resource officer, uh, some school staff, our, our CPAC, our special education parent advisory council.
Um, and forwarded their input to legal counsel.
Uh, one thing I do want to specifically note is because some of the feedback came with just within just the past 48 hours, our superintendent hasn't had the full opportunity that we always wanted to have to review and comment.
So, um, he has seen the proposal.
He may have additional feedback.
So, uh, I just wanted to note that we did check with Dr. Patello before presenting this one specific policy tonight and, uh, checked that he was okay with bringing it just, just for an initial read and discussion.
Uh, but all of the feedback we received today, council has in court, we forwarded to council and council has incorporated it into their recommendation we're bringing tonight, which we'll, uh, review now. Next slide, please. Next slide, please. So the text you see in black here is our existing policy, GIH, the red line edits are what council had originally prepared.
And then based on that, all that state good stakeholder feedback we received, uh, we took that and, and asked council to incorporate all of it to make it as protective as policy and speak to some of those issues or stakeholders raise. So, uh, some things to quickly note, council updated the section on searches at the beginning to mention other kinds of personal property, like back-to-backs searches of persons, importantly.
And in several places, it refers to the latest legal standards governing what our schools are and aren't allowed to do. The second paragraph is broadening protections of constitutional rights of students, not just limited to policy or protection from coercion, but all applicable constitutional rights. The section on questioning, it now refers to school and law enforcement officials, recognizing that questioning by school officials can sometimes have judicial ramifications as well. And we should be, and we want to recognize that we should be protecting student rights in those situations too, not just where law enforcement is strictly involved.
So the new policy would reference our current MOU with the police department, uh, based on that state template.
The current policy doesn't do that, uh, many important protocols for how police are allowed to interact with students are contained in that MOU. So those would all be incorporated.
Uh, a new protection on questioning, uh, questioning by school officials shall not occur on behalf of law enforcement until the schools have attempted to contact the parent and guardian.
That was not a protection in our current policy. So, uh, last two provisions here at the bottom, I expect this is probably what we'll be discussing the most tonight. So, uh, some of the correspondence we received noted, uh, correctly that our existing policy doesn't have provisions that refer to 14 year old students.
And why, uh, does it then change that to, uh, from 18 years old to 14 year old years old in that, in that place?
So that's a good question and it warrants some explanation.
This portion of the document is mirroring the latest case law in Massachusetts.
So 14 and 18 are when extra protections for juveniles kick in. And the policy is describing what those protections are. Uh, and we're going to drill down on what that means in a moment. So, uh, we agree that stakeholders with, with the stakeholders who wrote in that we shouldn't only be following the minimum of what the require of what the law requires.
And we're not doing that in our recommendation.
So you see in every part of this policy, council has inserted additional language and additional protections on top of what the law requires in terms of student rights. So there's a new requirement you see here for Miranda rights. There's a new provision about knowing waiver. Um, and based on input from our special education council, we asked council to include important protections for students who might have a lower cognitive or emotional age, excuse me, disabilities, other kinds of impairments that could affect knowing waiver. And we're directing the schools to share information with law enforcement, uh, in such circumstances as appropriate.
None of that was in our existing policy. We also asked council to strengthen the original language so that the schools are required to contact parents and provide them with an opportunity to be present, but for any questioning, uh, including students over 18, which our original policy did not do. So, um, the recommendation would, would in all circumstances, give require parents to have an, be given an opportunity to be present during questioning.
Um, so we, during the stakeholder feedback and some of the comments today, we got an important question, which is why don't we just keep this hard prohibition on questioning by law enforcement under any circumstances if a parent isn't present.
Um, so when the, the answer is when council reviewed our current policy, there were many area areas that council identified where the policy needed to be strengthened in regard to students rights. So most of what you see here is council doing that strengthening student rights. In regard to that one provision, council flagged it as being so overbroad in its current form that it risks interfering with law enforcement and exposing the district to risk. There are emergency situations.
There are situations where parents simply can't be present, but the law recognizes it's appropriate under the circumstances for the law, excuse me, our school resource officers to speak with students, perhaps even for their own protection.
I appreciate the, the perspectives everybody mentioned tonight.
Uh, but I want to just be clear. There are no other school districts in the state of Massachusetts that have a policy like that. Um, possibly because it's so overbroad, I wasn't able to find any, um, and in any matter of law enforcement, you know, there's this tension.
This is just me speaking off the cuff right now between rights and public safety.
That's what all the case law in this tries to strike a balance between. So, you know, this is not, uh, from my perspective, solely an exercise in maximizing student rights.
It can't be, um, it has to recognize appropriate roles.
And, you know, I, I personally think we should strengthen student rights to up to that maximum of the line where we are starting to risk encroaching into law enforcement and risking public safety because student rights are so important.
But there is a line, you know, we could, we could do all sorts of things in Sharon to maximize student rights at the expense of everything else. We, uh, just having a school resource officer in our schools.
Many parents are against that. Many parents think there shouldn't be police in our schools, period. Many parents think, uh, we shouldn't allow police in our schools ever without a warrant.
Um, you know, I'm not, I'm not criticizing those parents. Those are valid perspectives, but we've gone a different direction because, uh, I think it's safe to say we believe school resource officers do serve an important public safety role and they have a role in our school.
So, um, this is what council, we asked council to do in terms of maximizing student rights, but, you know, this is what council is advising, um, is the maximum where if we went any further beyond it, they aren't comfortable because we'd start interfering with the role of law enforcement.
Uh, I'll, I'll just wrap up on the next slide and then we'll get to the discussion.
So what do most other school districts in Massachusetts use? Most school districts, as in most cases, use the mass model policy. It was last updated in 2021.
Um, councils updates are building on that mass model policy, JAH, referencing additional, those additional rights. We just saw the council added in, um, you know, in this case, mass model policy, we all agreed, um, is probably not as protective as Sharon wants to be, but it is what most school districts follow.
Um, so, but, you know, in terms of the feedback we've received, we take it very seriously.
We appreciate it. We always want to incorporate feedback as much as we can. So we've included those additional protections about always giving parents the opportunity to be present, regardless of student age, um, protections for students who might have disabilities or other impairments.
And I just want to emphasize this with, if we were to go this direction with these updates, Sharon's version of this policy would be the most up to date. And in my opinion, the most protective of students rights in any school district in Massachusetts that I've seen bar none. And I wouldn't have it any other way. I wouldn't bring a recommendation that I didn't feel that was the case. So that was a lot. Thank you for bearing with me. I know people have questions.
Um, let's get to the discussion.
Do you want to call on someone, Julie?
I don't want to, you start.
I didn't know if you were, uh, okay.
Um, yeah.
Uh, Peter, did you want to jump in? Yeah, yeah. First of all, I want to thank Dan for all the work that he's doing on these policies and for, um, the initial read. I did talk to him a little bit. I do support like just having this initial conversation, but I do want to make clear that currently I'm not comfortable with the policy as written.
I haven't had an opportunity to speak directly to council to better understand their rationale.
But I, um, you know, though we, we certainly have great respect for our collaboration with law enforcement and we certainly want to make sure that a policy does not get in the way of those extreme circumstances that might occur. I currently, um, have some issues with the policy and want to kind of speak through them more and really, um, dive into it. So I appreciate us not having any vote tonight and really having some time. Um, and in most cases, I think going through these policies quickly, they're pretty straightforward and revising them is great. But a policy like this, I really, really think we need to scrutinize to the nth degree to make sure that, um, kids and parents rights are, are protected.
Uh, Avi.
Uh, yeah.
Uh, thank you, Dan, for your hard work here and the policy subcommittee for your hard work here. I have a couple different layers that I want to touch on. Um, so first I want to say, I'm uncomfortable with, and I, and I'd like to see a little bit of change in the process here. Um, so two things.
One, you had, when the reason that a policy subcommittee meeting has to take place, um, and then, you know, recommendation has to come from the policy subcommittee to this table, is because that is, that is not just a little bit of a conversation.
is because that is really the right of the policy subcommittee, a subcommittee that is created by this committee and then folks are appointed to. So I do just want to say I don't believe it's appropriate for feedback to be taken, even if it is from the public and from the community, in between the policy subcommittee meeting and the larger meeting.
I think it's appropriate to present that feedback and say, here's feedback I've heard, et cetera. But any edits that are made between the time of the policy subcommittee meeting and the meeting are unauthorized edits.
They're not made by the policy subcommittee and they're not made by the larger committee.
And so for me, I just want to highlight that I'd like to see that cleaned up. A second part of the process that I just want to stress I'd like to see change is in cases where exorbitant or let me be clear, maybe in cases where more than just a very quick question needs to be asked the council.
It's my view, and I guess I'd be open to what the larger committee, how the larger committee feels, but it's my view, and I have sat on policy subcommittee multiple years.
It's my view that it should come to the table, the appetite of whether or not a change should be made, should be indicated, and then council could be used to this amount.
In my role as vice chair, I speak to council occasionally about different issues, and in a conversation I was having to have with council the other day, I actually asked very quickly about how this policy came to be.
And again, to be clear, this is something that the policy subcommittee decided to take up and then involved council.
So it is important for people to understand this is not something that occasionally it does happen, that council reaches out to us as a committee, to our chair, and says here's an issue that the district's going to have to get ahead of, and here's something that has to happen.
Also, there are times where administration has an issue, they're talking to council, council advises them to go to the policy subcommittee or to the chair. In this case, this is a case of the policy subcommittee being interested in making a change to a policy, perhaps warranted, but without asking the larger committee first, and then going and using a fairly good amount of time on legal advice, which is expensive, to look at things that in the end this committee may not have an appetite to entertain.
For me, that's wasteful.
But now getting to my issues with the actual change. So for me, I share Dan's feelings that it is worth going extremely far to protect students' rights.
A couple years ago, when I was on policy subcommittee, we took up a discussion at the request of our law enforcement and our administration about the video feeds that are in our buildings.
So Sharon Police Department felt they needed access to those feeds. We together, worked together, the policy subcommittee, multiple members of the administration, the chief of police at the time, to craft a policy that gave Sharon Police Department access in emergency situations to our live video feeds and our recorded video feeds, because it was explained in a very collaborative conversation that our police might need to see what happened five minutes ago, for example, in certain situations.
But that requires administration's permission to access recorded video because the policy subcommittee at the time and the larger committee at the time felt it was very important to protect students' rights and the rights of parents to protect their students when they're in our buildings.
For me, I would still lean on that in regards to questioning.
For every scenario that could be looked at where a police officer may need to ask a question urgently of a child, I think there's an equal risk at that moment that the child may say something that a lawyer or a parent would advise them against saying in that way that could come back to be a very serious issue for that child. And I also look at the fact that we're talking about law enforcement agencies, not simply Sharon Police Department.
And so when we create a policy that grants any amount of access to our minor children in our buildings to law enforcement, I think we open up some very serious doors for different law enforcement agencies that may or may not find themselves in our buildings and questioning our minor children.
And to me, if you're going to go through the process, because let's be clear, you know, the language as it's being proposed does require that police officer to attempt or that law enforcement agency to attempt to reach the parent.
So when we're talking about an emergency situation, just as, you know, Dan had mentioned somewhere on social media that, you know, a possible overdose in a bathroom, et cetera.
Well, our policy does require an attempt to speak to the parent.
So, you know, if we feel like there needs to be something in here about emergency situations requiring no attempt, then that's one conversation.
But I do think that as long as we're requiring an attempt, we should require a successful attempt.
And I think parents should either choose to waive their right to be there with their child if that's their decision or should be present.
I don't feel comfortable in any way creating a policy that gives the rights of law enforcement in our buildings.
And again, if something if police officers feel or a law enforcement agency feels that their law trumps our policies, that's something that we'll have to hash out. But so long as the policy exists, I believe that we should err on the side of protecting the civil liberties of the people that elect us and of the children that we protect.
Thanks, Avi.
We have Jeremy next on the stand.
You wanted to say something now?
You're good. Okay. I was going to wait.
Okay, wait, wait till the end. Okay, cool. Yeah.
Okay, Jeremy, your go.
I was just thinking about it.
And, you know, if a 16 year old is driving and pulled over, I imagine that a cop can ask them questions.
So I was just wondering what the rules are outside of schools, just for additional context.
I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not a judge. I'm not a judge on police officers asking questions.
questions of minors and like what do they have to do with contacting parents or reaching out just so i can understand like how different the school environment would be because i don't i don't have an issue with like a cop asking questions of a 16 year old who gets pulled over 14 year old in middle school maybe but i just want to know like what the broader context is but yeah i can just narrowly respond to that question just because i've had the benefit of discussing this with counsel and research so um you're correct jeremy so the latest case law is uh what are what counsel's recommendation would describe which is that for students below 14 there is a parent required for them to interrogate between 14 and 18 the students the the um juvenile juvenile does have um the the police do have a right to question them if they've given knowing writ waiver so i i would agree that we should be more protective than that and i i believe this policy is orders of magnitude more protective than what that minimum law requires but that is what kind of the floor the law sets is um great uh alan so two things one i want to say that dan's done a yeoman's job trying to gather all these policies together from my perspective as a member of the policy subcommittee you know it was very clear that this is the kind of thing that ultimately has to be addressed at this table right we weren't going to solve this or make a final decision of the policy subcommittee um jeremy did ask the question that i was going to ask because it did occur to me that um we have students out driving cars at 16 and 17 and i don't know to what degree parents are required to be there and i think dan why i hear the answer to your question i would like in the next week or two maybe to get some additional clarification just exactly on what happens to students of 16 and 17 years old who get pulled over because i think that you know the concern about not wanting to um subject students to to questioning when they're really not intellectually or or developmentally prepared to do so as a legitimate concern i don't think it is at 14 um but i think if we give if we give keys to the car to someone a student who can go out and use that car for for uh both enjoyment and at great risk to others bodily safety i think we should not necessarily unreasonable to be have our school policies cognizant and in line with that but i'm not aware what that is either and i'm not any more of a lawyer than jeremy is so we'd like to see that addressed um i i will say if that is in some way squishy that um my inclination would be to stick with with 18. i certainly have heard the community and the community's view on this is clear i've not heard from a member of the community yet that supports uh keeping it with the revised language and so um certainly want more information but that's where my head is at now thank you um thank you and now adam thank you julian thank you dan for for playing all this information together uh my questions are actually very much along the same uh line as jeremy and alan in the sense of really wanting to understand what the what the law is um kind of inside and outside of school and so how we distinguish um kind of what is going on within our building versus five minutes after school when that student is walking home um and their engagement with with law enforcement at that point because i think as a um and then similarly actually once they are home and in their you know in their house and with their parent um kind of again what what sort of protections or what the law says there um i think it makes the most sense to be consistent in all honesty um and probably to be more consistent with the home as opposed to a public area if um if there's a distinction there um i'd also like to understand the difference i i feel like we've used uh the term uh interrogation a couple of times i don't know if there's a legal distinction between a conversation that may occur versus interrogation um and i think that you know a good example may be that uh 16 year old who's pulled over and is having a discussion with the police officer is that considered an interrogation or is an interrogation something that has a more formal criteria that that needs to be defined separately um and then my my final question is um i know in trying to strengthen uh the policy we have the note of you know parent notifications and opportunity to be present regardless of student age um i'm just also curious how that works um with regard to 18 year olds um and similarly what happens if you are 18 and you say i don't want my parent to be present i want to be able to talk to a police officer kind of one-on-one um and whether you do or do not have the ability to to do that i would guess you do but again i'm not a lawyer um and again would just want us to be consistent um in that manner with kind of the general law of what is or is not possible i i don't know that we would say um that a an 18 year old student uh who doesn't want their parent to be present must you know that that their parent must be allowed to be present um if that is not what the law says so um yeah i guess just a lot of a lot of those sorts of definitional questions um i think would be very helpful okay um and then uh i would like to add a few comments now that everyone has had a chance to speak and dan i i share my um the appreciation of my colleagues for all the work that you've put in um to all the policies uh it's it's been really great um and the thoughtfulness that you addressed concerns um there were a couple concerns uh we also i would also like to thank our public who uh some of whom wrote in very long letters that were very precise and outlining uh questions that they had so i was hoping i could just ask a couple of the questions that i saw which was um i think the first one which i think is the best would just be like can we amend the old policy and just say except in life-threatening emergency or imminent danger to the building um the question was does the existing policy that we have currently follow the law uh why is it out of date i don't think you did i don't think you got that um and then what in the mou warrants the change and i think the i think other people have said this already but law enforcement wouldn't just be sharing police it could be ice it could be the dea um any of the alphabet agencies so um if you could address a few of those questions that would be great too yeah thanks for teeing those up julie uh and and we appreciate all the correspondence that we receive on any of these policies um we we consider that stakeholder feedback so important ultimately we're we're creating these we're updating these policies for the benefit we hope of the schools and students and and of parents so um hearing from our community is really important and that's why we went to the extraordinary step of even going back to council a second time and asking can we incorporate this feedback to make the student rights provisions as protective as possible so some of those specific questions um this policy like a lot of older policies and jih is one of our older policies you know policies that are 15 years old at this point um they're both overbroad and underbroad and what that means is that when you look at them they have they they go too far in some instances you know in having the benefit of hindsight and they also don't go far enough in other instances so when we had council review so council flagged different parts of the policies and they were saying this portion is overbroad it goes way too far it's starting to interfere with law enforcement it's at odds with the latest state of the law or maybe what our mou says or and but in most cases they were saying this is not brought this is not broad enough it doesn't have enough protection so that's true of many of the policies we discussed tonight but that's also what's going on here so it's a little complicated um the mou which is based on the state template says one thing and basically you could read it for yourself but basically what it says is that when law enforcement wants to do an investigation or question a student they need to attempt to contact the parents and give them the opportunity to be to give them the opportunity to be present um when you read our policy it says something different which is that again in some instances the policy is not broad enough so like our current policy if you're over 18 you're on your own if you if you um might have some disability or impairment um i'm not suggesting our schools wouldn't be sensitive to those issues and try to communicate with law enforcement but at least what the policy says is um you know no it doesn't matter or hard hard limit 18 you know the they they can be questioned um so the the issue is that when our policy is saying one thing the mou saying another you look at the state law and what requires this and the else what other districts are doing it's all sort of out of alignment so in a best case scenario our mou and our policy are um congruent with each other in terms of what you're reading uh and you know when when you see what it what is the current case law reflected in our policy you're understanding what the role of that case law is in the legal threshold so that's why council was recommending some of these specific things so in terms of an emergency requirement you know it's something we could bring to council um personally i wouldn't recommend that because i think it's too narrow of an exception um i i think it is starting to encroach in the law of law enforcement like council was concerned about um you know there could be matters of serious crimes or whatnot where almost everybody recognizes that law enforcement is appropriate to investigate and start questioning uh but it might not just be like an emergency situation like a school shooter um you know there are other instances our current policy prohibits where maybe even the student wants to talk with law enforcement for some reason they want to help their friends they want they feel like it's important to tell them something and and even we've contacted the parent and the parent says yeah um go ahead and talk to my student uh if the parent isn't physically present our call our policy prohibits that so again our policy is just very out of date it's very limiting um and like i'm not comfortable trying to start to wordsmith and draft these like special exceptions because this subject is too important but again if we want to take that back to council happy to do that uh thank you and obvi yeah so i i think the point that jeremy brought up and um alan said he was going to ask as well about stopping police being stopped as a junior operator i think is for me is an impactful thought process um and so i don't i don't want to go 100 on this because uh the person that i reached out to here and just asked i think you know while they're well while they're certainly qualified to answer the question i don't i i don't want to go 100 here but i believe that the difference the answer to that question is basically the difference between being because in in custody or not in custody so custodial versus non-custodial so non-custodial questions they believe do not require a parent so for example license registration the person is free to leave or you know free up they're not free to leave in a traffic stop obviously but they're not in custody they're sitting in their in their own vehicle and they're being asked simple questions if they're taken into custody they then have the right to have a parent present and to me i think it's important for us to recognize that in a strange way our students are not free to leave uh if our student is sitting in an office in in our in our you know the principal's office in our school and then a police officer is present there's no belief on that student's part that they are free to leave uh or simply like similar to sitting in their own vehicle to from my perspective we have these students in our custody so to speak from the start of the day to the end of the day and we should recognize that there's a there is a responsibility to protect them from violating their own rights you know i even find it interesting to say like we're gonna re we're gonna require that miranda rights be read but the purpose of having parents present is because there's an understanding that a minor may not fully grasp the necessity of their own miranda rights julia you're muted i don't know if you're asking me to talk i was trying to sorry i was trying to see if dan wanted to respond or if he wanted to wait for you i'll wait go okay go ahead down uh so i i just i heard avi's point uh and i thought it was really good one i think when i think of uh students in the school and again not not lawyer not law enforcement um but i actually think of a school environment uh much more as much more similar to uh being in your car and kind of not being custodial like i i don't know that i would and i don't know how we distinguish or if we distinguish in terms of um what and how law enforcement uh behaves but but i would personally have a big uh i would expect there to be a strong difference between um kind of that custodial or not custodial situation like a a law enforcement officer asking a student like some simple questions um seems far more reasonable versus if they are being taken into custody um like i i don't know if policies often make that distinction but those seem like that seems like a very very relevant distinction in terms of um how we would want law enforcement engaging with minors who are in our custodial care uh julia you might be muted if you're if you're sorry i keep trying you're asking it's loud in here i can't go ahead so i'll just um i i really appreciate this discussion i think there were many good points here here today about this policy um i think some of these questions about what the law requires and other situations that may or may not be analogous outside the schools are really important questions that get answered i'm not the right person to speak to them today i'm not comfortable doing that um what i would suggest is that over the next few weeks perhaps i strategize with our school committee chair with the administration maybe with our legal counsel as well about the best way to speak to some of those issues and get answers and have a follow-up presentation perhaps later in the month and um then perhaps we'll be in a better informed position as a body to have that follow-up discussion and maybe make some decisions about this does everybody agree with that okay great so thanks for raising uh i'm not quite ready to move on just yet but i will wrap up the discussion on jh so uh there were um some process issues that avi raised uh for discussion and i i want to hear those those types of concerns so i'm i'm not at all um criticizing avi for doing it um yeah and i and not to be clear i don't think it's various or like i just want to make sure we clean that up but i don't mean to be it's fine i just wanted to speak to them because you raised them so um i'm so uh when our policy subcommittee said about this work um and alan please feel free to contradict me on any of this when we started our work we sort of set some procedures and um principles about how we were going to operate and some of the things that i understood that we discussed in that first meeting and agreed was that the purpose of the subcommittee was to do work and get work done on behalf of the committee and prepare things to bring them to the committee um as fast and as accurately as we could we set some goals we discussed that earlier about what we wanted to accomplish this year and um we also agreed that we weren't going to vote on proposals to bring to school committee and one of the reasons at least i understood why we don't vote on it is we because we wanted to stay flexible about how we were working on these policies and how we were bringing the school committee and it was sort of and at times we've recognized that um there was some work left to be done outside of the committee you know within the reasonable bounds of what everybody understood was going to happen to prepare it to bring it to school committee consistent with our purpose so um we made a decision early on we're not going to vote on these because that would lock us in so we're going to all agree on kind of what generally should happen and what we're going to do and what we're going to bring to school committee and we're going to go from there and some things might happen in the interim within reason like if anybody had a different understanding we should talk about that absolutely but that was how we decide how i understood we decided to work as as a subcommittee the other excuse me important um point about legal counsel i do not want to go to legal counsel any more than i need to i don't i want to protect the the money of this district um i don't want to waste anyone's time so i've tried to be very judicious about the times when we have employed count legal counsel um i think there were only two proposals tonight in which we consulted legal counsel we try to do it in very targeted ways if we can um our school committee chair has been excellent i want to say in working with us on these policies uh julie has been supportive of us every step in the way and whenever we have gone to legal counsel um julie has been part of those emails or discussions and we've we've talked frequently and i i've tried to make sure that julie agrees because the privilege of speaking to council rests with the chair and so i've tried to make sure julie agrees yes this is warranted and in both of these cases they were instances where the administration was asking us please bring these to legal counsel we want their opinion so um so i just wanted to speak to that i'm not i'm not um i don't want to go to legal counsel any more than anyone else on this committee um any more than we need to but just as much as we need to to preserve tax dollars but in this case i i felt like it was important so i just wanted to speak to those two points thanks thanks dan um how much how much is left of your presentation just a just a couple more can you do your can you do your like super because we have an executive session too we can thank you yeah so uh so thanks everyone uh moving on jfaba besides being a mouthful to say requires charging tuition for students who might live in sharon temporarily and there is no mask model policy for jfa ba uh there is a mask model policy for our policy jfa which also addresses this topic of tuition and but that policy references the state law and you see that portion of jfa and the state law that it references here on the right and basically the whole crux of what this is about is that when you read jfa and you read the state law it says that we have the option of charging tuition of students who might be living here for a temporary amount of time and that we have the right to waive that charge when you read jfa ba again doesn't have a mass model policy says something different it says they must be charged with or they will be charged with tuition and so um these are our policies are in conflict uh jfa comes down kind of different from what the law is describing and it's restricting us and and saying that anytime there's someone temporarily residing we have to charge their tuition i expect that these situations would be largely fact dependent there would be situations in which we'd agree they should really be changing charging tuition and lots of situations where we'd probably agree they wouldn't be so i just want to retain that right and resolve this conflict between our two policies and so our recommendation and the recommendation of the administration is to just rescind jfa ba and keep that right for ourselves we do of course want to recognize you know make sure that we're treating everyone fairly and equally and be clear about why we are charging tuition or not charging tuition but um just resolving the conflict is there any discussion okay jh is our district-wide absence policy so this year we approved sorry this year we oh okay uh this year we approved um some new policies one of them was a uh handbook policy at our high school and middle school about what constitutes excused and unexcused absences how many you can have things like that so our district-wide policy jh this is not it this is the mass model policy is very district descriptive it's very long and now it conflicts with what is in our handbooks um in terms of what is excused versus what is unexcused so uh mask recommends that for the big district-wide policy the school committee votes for it to be broad and handle these topics at a high level and then we have the freedom in the student handbooks to prescribe specific policies for our high school for our middle school for our elementary school and so on so that's what mask recommends and when you look at the mask model policy which is right here in front of you that's exactly what it does it doesn't uh get into detail about what's excused and unexcused it just kind of speaks to it generally so in this instance updating to the mask model policy would in addition to making our policy more up to date it would resolve the conflicts that now exist with our student handbooks and could interfere with what we voted for our school buildings to do earlier this year uh there is one highlighted item in the note at the bottom of the mass model policy um our administration asked to add that in there and that comes directly from the state guidance which is that link that you see in the policy so it's not custom language it's just making that explicit that those definitions should be included in the school handbooks which we do starting to lose my voice is there any discussion okay thanks uh two left they should be quick so policy jicj is another one of these kinds of situations it covers technology in our schools technology like cell phones other devices so earlier this year we approved uh some cell phone policies at the high school and the middle school to be part of the student handbook so as a result of those votes we took our existing jicj now conflicts with what's in the handbook so same sort of a deal the mask model policy is broader it leaves those matters to the handbook so uh our recommendation is to update to the mass model policy for jicj and resolve those conflicts any discussion nope and the last one so congratulations everyone you survived um lbc is relations with non-public schools what you might call schools like private schools or other types of schools that aren't public schools so um there is actually a requirement that when there's a private school that wants to operate in a massachusetts district it's the school committee that reviews the school and gives them approval that might be a surprise for some people in our policy lbc there is a specific requirement that we would review all the private schools in our district and get into their curriculum and audit them and revalidate them at least every three to five years so that's not in the mass model policy it's not a state requirement it's just something that's in our existing policy obviously we haven't been doing that perhaps because it's so onerous um and so what the mass model policy recommends instead is that if a private school makes a substantial change to their program if they've radically altered something then they would come back to us and that would warrant um revalidation of their program but uh we wouldn't be strictly required to do that full review of their curriculum and everything else every three to five years which we're not doing anyway so our recommendation is to update to the mass model policy that other districts use is there any discussion of this last item all right thank you so much that's always a lot everyone um i think this work is important and i really appreciate your time tonight thank you dan and uh appreciate all that you put into it um it's it's quite it's quite a lot um so now we are going to move to the decision items okay so we are just going to go knock these emotion to vote to accept the donation from dedham savings bank was 750 for the snow globe contest is there a there a motion so moved okay thank you is there a second second great jeremy yes yes dan yes alan yes adam yes adam yes avi yes and i'm a yes next item vote to approve the new 2024 2025 saf clubs i'll accept the new 2024 2025 saf clubs i'll accept a motion so moved thank you awesome uh jeremy yes dan yes alan yes adam yes avi yes and i'm a yes vote to approve the shs science quiz bowl field trip which is on february 22nd which is on february 22nd at the university of connecticut is there a motion moved great second thank you jeremy yes dan yes alan yes adam yes avi yes and i am a yes vote to approve the shs competency determination that was presented at the last meeting on january 22nd i'll accept the motion i'll accept the motion so moved great great i'll second thank you jeremy yes dan yes alan yes alan yes adam yes avi yes and i'm a yes um the final is um vote to nominate and improve an alternate representative to the recreation committee um alan is our current representative and we appreciate his um contributions however sometimes uh he has uh unavoidable um conflicts and he can't he can't make these meetings and although we are not a voting member we do um the the recreation department like does involve um things where it would be nice to have school committee render an opinion or assistance so i was wondering if there was anyone who would care to be an alternate to go to the sharing recreation committee meetings when alan is unavailable is there anyone interested um i'll do it all right thank you robbie um does uh we need to vote to um appoint avi as the alternate to the recreation committee is there a motion so moved okay i heard adam and alan um jeremy yes dan yes alan yes alan yes adam yes obby yes and i am a yes and at this point um we are going to say goodbye to our audience because we are going into executive session pursuant to mglc 30a s21a3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation with the st a ia unit if an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigation position of the sharon school committee and the chair so declares not to return to open session and so i will accept a motion to close this meeting and go into executive session so moved thank you jeremy yes dan yes alan yes adam yes obby yes and i am yes i'll see you on the other side thank you SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: you