School Committee - February 12, 2025
School Committee, 2/12/25 - Meeting Summary
Date: 2/12/2025
Type: School Committee
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The joint meeting of the Sharon School Committee and Select Board was chaired by Vice Chair Avi Shemtov. The session primarily addressed the appointment of Ronnie Goldstein to the Southeastern Vocational Technical School Committee and conducted an extensive discussion on the FY26 school budget amid significant community engagement. Seven School Committee members participated: Avi Shemtov, Alan Motenko, Julie Rowe, Jeremy Kay, Georgeann Lewis, Adam Shain, and Dan Newman. The meeting date included presentations and votes covering January and February minutes and a field trip request. -
Agenda Overview:
- Appointment of Ronnie Goldstein to Southeastern Vocational Technical School Committee.
- Detailed FY26 school budget presentation and discussion.
- Community public comment session on budget and educational program concerns.
- Voting on prior meeting minutes (January 8, January 22, 2025).
- Approval of Sharon High School Spanish department trip to Spain, February 2026.
- Adjournment.
- Major Discussions:
| Topic | Avi Shemtov | Alan Motenko | Julie Rowe | Jeremy Kay | Georgeann Lewis | Adam Shain | Dan Newman |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Appointment of Ronnie Goldstein | Supported; chaired with no opposition noted | Supported appointment | Supported appointment | Supported appointment | Supported appointment | Supported appointment | Supported appointment |
| FY26 Budget Presentation | Chaired; supported clear process and transparency | Advocated focused discussion during public hearing | Emphasized salary costs as main driver, difficulty of cuts | Criticized budget presentation quality; called for transparency and public discussion | Stressed respectful discourse; faith in elected members | Advocated early value-based budgeting talks to help decision-making | Wanted clarity on administrative restructuring and middle school impacts; complexity of budget categorization |
| Community Concerns in Budget | Recognized public engagement and difficulty of process | Supported respectful, focused consideration of inputs | Agreed cuts difficult but necessary given town funding limits | Strong advocate for transparency, clearer priorities | Emphasized respectful dialogue and community trust | Supported early strategic budgeting discussions | Supported clearer communication of required vs discretionary items |
- Votes:
| Motion | Outcome | Vote Count | Voting Members |
|---|---|---|---|
| Appointment of Ronnie Goldstein (term to Nov 2026) | Passed unanimously | 6-0 | Avi, Alan, Julie, Jeremy, Georgeann, Adam (Dan non-voting or absent for this vote) |
| Approval of January 8, 2025 meeting minutes | Passed unanimously | 7-0 | Jeremy, Shauna/Donna, Julie, Adam, Dan, Alan, Miami/Allen |
| Approval of January 22, 2025 meeting minutes | Passed unanimously | 7-0 | Jeremy, Shauna/Donna, Julie, Adam, Dan, Alan, Miami/Allen |
| Approval of February 5, 2025 minutes | Tabled | N/A | N/A |
| Approval of SHS Spanish Department trip to Spain Feb 2026 | Passed unanimously | 7-0 | All seven members |
| Motion to adjourn | Passed unanimously | 7-0 | All seven members |
- Presentations:
- Ronnie Goldstein introduced his 20+ years background in public education with specific vocational school leadership and teaching experience. He stressed enhancing Sharon’s representation and acknowledged competitive school slot challenges.
- Superintendent Dr. Botello presented the FY26 budget proposal including capital project deferrals, new programs (Unified Sports, International Night), and the operating budget featuring a 5.46% initial increase reduced to 2.76% target per town requirements. Detailed potential programmatic and staff cuts were outlined, alongside challenges balancing salary-driven costs, contractual obligations, special education, and small class sizes.
- Secretary Shauna Blinky summarized 52 pieces of community correspondence on diverse topics including budget priorities, instructional assistant contracts, policy updates, and program protections.
- Staff member Sean announced an upcoming special needs evaluation virtual workshop (February 24, 2025).
- Action Items:
- Conduct an additional School Committee meeting between budget revision (post-priorities update) and the final vote scheduled on March 5, 2025, to allow full public and committee deliberation.
- Improve transparency and clarity around budget priorities and categorical distinctions (mandatory vs discretionary).
- Follow up on community priorities for protecting instructional assistants, teacher staff levels, arts programs, and mental health programming.
- Deferred Items:
- Approval of February 5, 2025 meeting minutes was postponed pending availability.
- Further detailed discussion of administrative restructuring and middle school budget impacts deferred until additional review.
- Appendices:
- Verbatim quotes illustrating committee member views on budget transparency, process, and community advocacy. For example, Julie Rowe: “Salary costs are the main budget driver… cuts are difficult but necessary given town funding limits.” Jeremy Kay: “Budget presentation lacked clarity … public, inclusive discussion is essential.”
- Complete voting records that include unanimous acceptance of key motions with all seven members participating in procedural votes.
- Community comments highlighting concerns over instructional assistant contracts, class size growth, program cuts, and calls for budget transparency aligned with the committee’s acknowledged need for improved communication.
- Reference material from state FY26 education funding measures illustrating increased Chapter 70 aid and related fiscal context supporting local budget discussions.
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SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: so kiana the first agenda oh so i should clarify just first of all welcome to the joint meeting of the sharon school committee and the sharon select board um i am acting in my capacity as vice chair as the chair of the meeting tonight our chair is just dealing with a personal situation and she is here but has asked me to chair the meeting uh we have our select board chair here uh ms pierre louis um and i would ask kiana do you want do you want me to call um attendance from my board first or would you like to go first nope you can go first thanks all right for school committee um just say present when i call you uh shauna uh present dan present jeremy present julie present alan all right and i don't see adam shane at the moment but i am present avi um all right kiana floor is yours thank you and thank you avi um and thank you for inviting us to your school committee meeting briefly and i see xander you can say here i'm here and i don't see hannah but she said she's pointing so all right well we can start with that so we have one very quick agenda item here uh we're here for the appointment to the southeastern vocational technical school committee uh we have one application that is ronnie goldstein um i know i've seen the application i trust school committee members have seen the application of select board members seen the application uh ronnie here ronnie thank you for joining us tonight um if there's anybody from either board who would like to ask any question of ronnie uh raise your hand and i'm happy to to call on you otherwise i would just ask ronnie to give us a very brief uh sort of bio we've seen the application does not have a lot of questions uh so we've seen we've seen very very quick background on education and whatnot maybe it's more appropriate ronnie why don't you give us a one minute elevator speech on yourself and then if anybody has questions from either board we can ask before we for i entertain a motion sure thank you very much avi and thank you everybody here uh who's here this evening so i i saw that the application was open that you know no one had stepped forward to you know uh run for that position and so um given my educational background i've been in public education now for over 20 years i cut my teeth in boston public schools many years ago at madison park technical vocational high school in roxbury for those who know what that is in roxbury crossing so i worked there for a year i enjoyed that experience many many many moons ago and then i decided to make a move out to the suburbs after a couple years of being in boston i've been in norton public schools ever since then and so i was a teacher for about seven years in norton and for the last 13 or so i think by going my 14th year i've been the assistant principal in that building um and during that time i've worked on a number of different initiatives um you know in the school district that i'm in um the most recent one is the playbook initiative which or it builds uh works to build diversity and strengthen you know the bonds and ties between different groups of students within the building and so that's just you know one of the things i've done but i've done various other things during the course of my years in the building um you know and so i'm an educator it's what i do it's what i've been doing for a long time and so i saw that this is an opportunity to kind of give back to the town and you know just do something that i felt like i was generally qualified for and so you know that was kind of you know what led me down this path and so um you know here we are and you know i'm happy to answer any questions if anybody has any of anything for me um um all right are there any questions from the school committee or i i could call it's up to you i can't i don't want to step on your toes um all right xander go ahead ronnie i'm really excited about your candidacy and um i just i really wanted to ask i know that there's a lot of interest um in the school and sharon is sometimes uh challenged to get everyone in that we want do you have any thoughts about how we can even improve sharon's representation at the school you know it's an excellent question and so one of the things i have often wondered is i'm wondering what um you know internally and i don't know the answer to this but i am wondering internally what the mechanisms they use are for determining their placements and how many slots that they determine per district and that sort of thing obviously with brockton being a member you know town for southeastern i understand that they're going to get the lion's share just because they're much larger community and unfortunately brockton does not have its own vocational school one could argue that they probably should but you know that's a debate for another time um but you know i'm assuming that you know that's the case but i am curious as to how the rest of them get delegated out just speaking from my experience in norton i know we have a lot of students every year who do apply every year and you know there's a lot of disappointment because vocational schools have become much more competitive um and they've become you know a place that students really want to go and they're a place that's you know students look at as a a real viable alternative you know i think there's a lot greater interest in vocational education than there used to be and i think as a result you're seeing a much more competitive process at least from my experience that's what i've seen because every year we have students who don't get in that you know i see eighth graders in my building and i kind of shake my head and i wonder why so thank you i don't have a question but i just have to say ronnie thanks one for stepping up and noticing that there was a a whole um they're looking forward they've emailed us probably about four times looking forward to a person so i'm glad that we will have some represented a representative there to do sharing voices i think that's really important and i think you saw i think avi and i had the biggest head nods with madison park but that was where my stomping ground so i know that well that you were there that's something yeah one of my close friends here in sharon growing up his dad taught at madison park and actually i remember that maybe my junior year in high school sharon was unfortunately eliminated in the uh in the mia tournament uh in a game if i believe it was against madison park it certainly was at madison park hi yeah no they they ran a great ship over there for a number of years they had some really good leadership and um you know things come and go in cycles unfortunately run into some tough times and they've had some good times so it just you know like anything else it depends on circumstances and so um and i know you know speaking of southeastern i i know that they've got a pretty good reputation and you know certainly you know like i said vocational schools used to have a reputation um that you know where they were somewhat maligned um however i think that's really changed and i do think that there are you know there's a lot more interest and i think a lot of people you know see the virtue in vocational education so absolutely um all right i by the way hannah i did i mean i'm sorry kiana i don't know if you saw hannah did join the meeting all right so for for whatever reason uh your vote is up first on the agenda so i'll let you entertain a motion and then i and then i'll do the same all right let me get hannah unmuted to first see if you feel did you hear enough hannah to um vote i sorry i was having technical technical issues um i did it's great to see you ronnie thank you again for uh stepping up um to serve i think your experience um certainly fits what is being looked for in terms of representing um our community and your experience that you bring to the position all right thank you i will entertain a motion from the select board to vote um ronnie goldstein to appoint excuse me ronnie goldstein to the southeastern vocational tech school committee is there a specific term hold on fred we're getting you unmuted yes the term expires at the state election in november 2026 so if ronnie wants to seek re-election you'd have to run on that at the same time the state legislature's elected for a term ending november 2026.
so moved hearing a motion made and seconding all those in favor hannah hi xander hi and i'm an eye it's yours sorry all right thank you so much um all right i would entertain a motion to appoint ronnie goldstein to the vote uh southeastern vocational technical school committee for a term expiring in 2026 um so moved second all right jeremy yes all right jeremy yes all right jeremy yes all right jeremy yes yes jana yes julie yes dan yes and i am a yes motion carries six oh congratulations ronnie thank you for being willing to step up here um hopefully it's as fun as being on this board is i'm sure it'll be very experiential so i'm looking forward to it um and i i'm assuming someone from there from that school committee will be in touch with me at some point in the near future here so um 8 0 1 a.m
yes i'm sure it'll happen rather rather quickly so all right thank you all thank you appreciate your vote of confidence thank you so kiana without you guys here we drew straws and it actually turns out the select board is going to continue and handle the rest of the meeting so now i guess with that i will take a motion to adjourn board made the joint select board and school committee meeting so moved second uh hearing the motion made and seconded um just all those are well no all those in favor hannah hi xander hi and i'm gonna hi goodbye everybody have a good meeting thank you all right school committee um now that the select board has completed their part we'll go to public comments is there anybody with adam not here willing to do a two-minute timer nobody nobody willing to help me out here i'll do it i'll do it i just gotta pull it up on my phone i'm not as good as that i'm with the app all right let me know when you're ready and i will call first name that i saw there okay i'm ready all right tobin and ask block hi everyone i'm tobin aspar parent of three kids in the sharon public schools and queer community member in the absence of reassurance from the superintendent i'm reading a february 7th memo to superintendents from desi commissioner russell d johnson in light of recent communications from the white house and the u.s education department i want to share the following with you the department of elementary and secondary education's educational vision remains unchanged in its simplest form it is to create a public education system where every student is seen heard and valued and where all students have the opportunity to thrive this work remains firmly grounded in massachusetts general law chapter 76 section 5 which prohibits discrimination in public schools based on race color sex gender identity religion national origin or sexual orientation and the massachusetts constitution article 114 of which prohibits discrimination based on disability massachusetts schools remain responsible for providing a safe and supportive learning environment for all students and this responsibility under state law is not impacted by recent executive orders at the federal level our guidance on non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity in public schools is unchanged it is essential that schools should continue their support for marginalized students including lgbtq students to reinforce that they belong in their school communities research consistently demonstrates that when schools take proactive steps to foster inclusivity through strong policies affirming practices and support of educators students experience improved mental health academic success and overall well-being school and district leaders are strongly encouraged to continue implementing policies and practices that protect all students including transgender and non-binary students the safe schools program for lgbtq students is available to provide training technical assistance and implementation to support support to help schools uphold these commitments we can work together so that all students in massachusetts experience a safe supportive and affirming learning environment thank you so much for committing thank you totally katie conroy hello hello my name is katie conroy two years ago i was thrilled to see that free full day kindergarten was going to be offered in our town going forward this past year i was very discouraged to learn that free full day kindergarten was rescinded indefinitely due to budget constraints the vast majority of cities and towns in massachusetts offer free full day kindergarten it is shameful that sharon is not providing our youngest learners with the same opportunity as most of their peers across massachusetts free full day kindergarten was fought for supported by our town and promised to our residents going forward two years ago free full day kindergarten should still be a priority to invest in our children and to attract young families to move to our great town as costs are rising across the board the full day kindergarten tuition and sharon is high and could present young families with tough financial decisions for their family budget i spoke with the school administration regarding the differences between half day and full day kindergarten i was told that the school administration strongly encourages all kindergarteners to attend full day kindergarten this is great as full day kindergarten has been proven to be extremely beneficial to early childhood development but it is unfair that it is strongly encouraged in our town while the town continues to charge a significant amount of money for it i understand that there are budget constraints but i do think it is imperative that our school system budget be reviewed to see what creative solutions can be made to deliver on the promises that were made to sharon residents i had the opportunity to speak with the school committee chairwoman julie and the head of the finance committee ira i have thought about creative solutions to fund free full day kindergarten one idea is using part of the tax revenue from costco to cover the cost of free full day kindergarten since costco hasn't opened yet the tax revenue is extra money that will be coming into the town the majority of which will be going to our school budget another approach could be requesting a one-time allotment from the finance committee from the free cash reserve that goes directly to fund free full day kindergarten this year with the understanding that free full day kindergarten is a significant priority in our town and it will be included in the budget for from the beginning for the 2026-2027 school year going forward there could also be a town vote um at the upcoming town meeting to get the residents involved in the decision surrounding the fee for free full day kindergarten i would also be happy to brainstorm other alternatives to come up with creative solutions with the school committee to fund free full day kindergarten beginning in september since i know it is a high priority item among the school members thank you thank you thank you um just a point of clarity for folks uh the we do have two opportunities tonight to speak uh one is now during public comment another is during the budget hearing obviously uh it's it's totally within everyone's right to speak both times um or to speak during this open forum or public comment period about budget concerns i just want to make sure folks do know that the budget hearing will be an opportunity to speak as well uh just want folks to know all right amanda butera um hi i'm amanda butera i'm a fifth grade teacher at cottage and i'm going to speak about our instructional assistants um i truly could not do my job effectively um without their support and i believe it would be difficult to find a teacher who says otherwise with three open positions at cottage um open ia positions at cottage resources for support for students are already strained but still my students all of my students and i feel supported that is because we have wonderful over qualified ias who despite being treated unfairly go above and beyond they monitor behaviors during a whole group lesson consult with teachers about students and overall just take care of and love students just as teachers do when i find out the instructional assistant who supports my students and class is going to be pulled to cover something else it changes my day and the students stay for the worse lessons often end up less effective and more difficult students say we missed you or where were you when the ia returns the absence is noticeable to all what the ias are respectfully asking for is completely reasonable and could and should have been resolved by now treating these crucial members of this of our school community this way is deplorable and disrespectful to the people who often support some of the most vulnerable students in our district two minutes is not nearly enough time to express the importance of this job and our instructional assistants deserve the respect of a fair contract at the bare minimum and thank you ias for showing up for us lately thank you adrian demarco well hi thank you um i am a parent of four kids two of which are at heights at the moment um one of which is in the sped program um and he's a little bit of a unique case because he is in the sped program solely for physical limitations um and his iep entitles him to an aid which he was not given this year because they felt that he could just get by with the aid built into kindergarten um but next year i'm i'm not quite sure how that's going to work um because he can't open doors and i'm not sure how the schools are ada compliant without automatic doors available um but i really want to push for um better funding for the the aids in the schools because they are invaluable to our students and i'm personally starting to experience the idea that because they're uh in high demand but short staffed that there are students like my son who even though his iep has offered him an aid is is not getting one um because they're going to students that maybe have higher needs um and so i i would really like to push to make sure that we are treating our eyes and our aids um with what they deserve what they need and making sure that all of our our students are able to um have the services that they that they deserve um looking at the budget i do see if i'm reading it correctly that the superintendent has um budgeted for keeping the dei director which i also would like to highly advocate for i know a lot of times the dei director dei in general um gets related to like race and lgbtq issues but we live in the of the issues with those in the others they're in general um this is a special and of the deol weak demand for the e relative of the the. Jordan Jones Michael Neistromus what'sments the cheat of Realty in order to a lawyer in general design and rduett hopefully be happy to give some Konister others so I think that the literature and that's really important to be honest on your own work I think it's incredibly important , we think it's incredibly important to our students that we keep this dei position so that they have the resources they need to feel like they belong that they are accepted and that they're able to access everything they need do at the school okay thank you you.
Thank you.
Michelle Thaler.
Hi, can you hear me? Hey there.
My name is Michelle and I am a parent to soon to be two boys in the public school system.
My older son is in first grade and my younger son will be starting kindergarten next year at East. We are in the unique position of kind of being on the crosshairs of two tough budgetary considerations for next year, one of which the prospect of free kindergarten and the second, which in my view is a far more worthy priority of addressing, which is retaining the current four classes in first and second grade at East.
I see that the superintendent's budget proposal for fiscal 25 and 26 proposes cutting the number of first grade and second grade classrooms at East from the current four down to three. And yes, I understand that budgets are incredibly squeezed.
That's an understatement.
And that, however, I really do believe that taking this action would be a major, major disservice to the first and second grade students at East. First and second grade are prime years for identifying and often beginning to address social, emotional, and learning disabilities in children.
It's often the tip of the iceberg.
East's rising second grade class includes a large number of children with special needs, including many with IEPs and 504s that are primarily managed by teachers.
My son, who will be in second grade next year at East, fits into this latter category of having 504 accommodations.
He is far from the only child in his classroom that requires additional attention from his teacher, who is brilliant, tireless, and yet already stretched thin amongst her 18 students.
Increasing class numbers to 25 or 26 first or second graders would be a recipe for disaster.
The teachers, as well as many parents, have reported that this was the case when it happened two years ago. Doing so would limit already squeezed teachers from serving and observing children at a vital developmental stage where problems are either identified and addressed or overlooked and left to grow into bigger, more challenging learning-related problems.
Teacher attention would be disproportionately focused on the very highest needs children, leading to inadequate attention for children with more moderate or less obvious needs.
I'm just going to say that it's a hard choice.
It's in many ways an awful choice to have to make, but I know from my perspective and I believe from the perspective of many other parents, the idea of cutting teachers in both first and second grade and increasing those class sizes is ultimately really going to cost the children.
And if it is a choice between free K and cutting those teachers, I really urge the school committee and the entire group here to really stand behind keeping those teachers intact and keeping those classrooms intact so that all children get attention, not just the very highest needs children with behavioral issues, which is what would happen if you cut those classes.
Thank you. Thank you.
Judy Crosby.
Thanks.
I have a few things I want to talk about.
The first is the mental health and well-being of our students, which I think has been really unfortunately impacted by the past couple school committee meetings.
I appreciated at the last meeting that Shanna asked to have the discrimination statement read. I think you need to understand the level of stress that's pushing down on some of our students.
And I was horrified to learn that the high school is considering doing away with ACEs, which used to be called Eagle Block, which for those of you who graduated before Eagle Block came in or haven't had high schoolers go through.
Eagle Block, which is now ACEs, was put in place to help with our kids' mental health.
I'm afraid it's going to take a kid dying by suicide for folks to realize what you are doing when you allow this to happen.
It was a release valve in our kids' day. And to remove it effectively from the schedule next year is to ignore the work and the progress that this district has tried to make.
on this issue.
I also wanted to talk about the IAs. You have a kid that wandered off at cottage and that could have ended incredibly badly.
And you have a mom reporting that in her IEP her student is entitled to an aid and it's not being provided.
And the kid can't open a door. My kid couldn't open the door last year to the front or two years ago to the front of her high school. I know what that feels like. It's infuriating.
But my child was meaningfully older and didn't need an aid. This particular parent's child does. And you all sit here and shake your heads, nod your heads, and do nothing.
You need to figure it out. Lastly, fees for clubs.
I know this is being discussed after the budget forum, which I object to. But since it is being discussed after the budget forum, I wanted to point out because drama is regularly one that's mentioned.
Drama has four seasons.
Usually they do four shows a year. Kids may participate in one to four. So when you're discussing fees for a club like drama, please be aware that if you're going to charge everyone 100 bucks, that may be a kid who only does the fall musical and does sports the rest of the year. I think you need to delve a little deeper into how each of these clubs work and not just go with one size fits all, which is what was discussed the one size fits all last year. And I'm glad you didn't implement it yet. But I worry that you will now. And you will take away yet another thing that gives our kids access from a mental health standpoint.
Thanks.
Thank you. Next up, I've got Craig. Craig, before you speak, can you just state your full name just because it only says Craig on the screen? And then go ahead.
Can you hear me? We can hear you. All right.
Yeah.
Craig Sherman.
I've got a daughter in first grade at East and a couple of years from now, I will have another one in kindergarten.
On the issue of cutting first or second grade teachers, I didn't come prepared with written statements like Michelle or Katie, but certainly it's well documented.
And I don't have the information in front of me right this second, but it's well documented.
I think you'd all agree. Larger class size, lower academic achievement.
I mean, there's a correlation between a student success and being able to have more focused attention from their teacher.
You know, when I was a kid, Sharon High class in 96, this town, our school system was routinely, you know, like top 10 in the state.
And in the last, you know, 10, 12 years as I've been following it, like we're, we've fallen behind a bunch of other districts that, that, you know, have, have risen in the ranks. And we, and we're, we're not doing our kids a favor.
And yeah, we're still, you know, top 25 or whatever it might be, top 30, top 25. But, you know, when I, when I grew up here, every kid had a lot at their disposal.
And, and it's a real shame to see that going away bit by bit, year by year.
And, you know, a major, a major piece of, of student success, I think is, is maintaining a reasonable class size. And, you know, to Michelle's point, like, if you've got a class of 24 first graders or second graders, I mean, they're, they're crazy. And, you know, I don't say that pejoratively.
I mean, like, anyone who has little kids knows, like six and seven year olds, they are, they are prone to be bouncing off the walls or, or whatever.
And it's going to create problems.
Teachers will be more stressed out. Quality of education will decline.
And we are, we'll be doing our kids a disservice.
And I just can't emphasize enough that it's, I think it's a mistake even about cutting a teacher.
That's it. Thank you.
Next up, I've got Matthew Desmaris.
Matthew Desmaris.
Hi, thanks.
I have two children in Sharon's schools, one kindergarten at Cottage and one in the substantial separate classroom at the ECC. I wanted to comment on the proposed policy changes to Jih questioning and searches.
Our current policy is the strongest that the policy can be. Students under 18 must have a parent or guardian present, no exceptions.
Your proposed policy changes remove that right from students 14 to 18. And it allows for these minor children to be harassed and intimidated by school officials or law enforcement, be it federal, state, or local. The proposed policy states, quote, consistent with the SRO MOU, parents or guardians shall be given a reasonable opportunity to be present.
Who defines what is reasonable and who enforces it? The SRO MOU specifically states in the second paragraph of section one, quote, this memorandum does not and may not be relied upon to create any rights substantive or procedural, enforceable by any civil, by any person, excuse me, in any civil or criminal matter.
Referencing the SRO MOU in any school committee policy changes appears to be in violation of the agreement and to me appears to be used here as a tool to create the illusion of legitimacy to the proposed JIH questioning and searches policy changes.
To ensure any future policy updates are free from political agenda or manipulative wordsmithing, I'm requesting that the school committee dissolve the policy subcommittee and the work of policy changes be placed on the whole committee so there's more transparency and elected representation to the policy revision process.
The policy subcommittee chair has consistently stated here in committee meetings and in online forums that the proposed changes strengthens students' rights when it in fact weakens their rights.
To say this strengthens students' rights is misleading and a flat-out lie.
Also, thank you.
All right, thank you, Matthew.
Thank you.
Stacey Wilson-Newman.
Can you hear me okay?
We can. Okay, great.
And apologies for keeping my camera off. I had dental surgery today.
So I am a resident of Sharon and I'm also a teacher in the Sharon Public Schools and I'm speaking now as a resident and as a resident and taxpayer of our community, I'd like to speak out against the cost of these drawn-out IA negotiations.
Not only are they costly to the morale and pocketbooks of hard-working IAs who deserve a living wage, they are also costly to us as taxpayers.
I'd like to make a formal request to be provided with the total amount that the school committee has been paying out and or has been billed in legal fees to the law offices of Valerio, Hillman, and Dominello for their legal services related to IA negotiations from January 1st, 2024, which is not even how long the IA's have been without a contract.
It's been way longer.
But from January 1st, 2024 to the present date, if this information is not readily available, I kindly request that it be provided within 10 days under the Freedom of Information Act. And as we are also discussing the general budget, I would also like to request the total amount of all legal fees that the town has paid out during the same time period.
Our priorities should be on supporting our education professionals so that they can support our students.
Paying large amounts of money to lawyers takes away from these priorities, especially when we face budget shortfalls.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Thank you.
Wendy McArthur.
Hi.
I just want to continue expressing my disappointment in our superintendent and his lack of support in our marginalized students.
You know, while Desi and other superintendents across the state and our own Massachusetts government have condemned the hate speech being spread towards these students, the Sharon staff and families, our superintendent has remained silent. He has not taken the time to even send a brief message to student staff or community affirming that Sharon schools stand with all students.
After speaking with several teachers and administration from his previous district, because let me tell you, teachers talk, it is clear that this pattern of inaction and uncaring for these groups is absolutely nothing new. And I urge the school committee to consider this when evaluating his leadership come evaluation time.
This is not the type of leadership a school district such as Sharon wants or needs. I'd also like to say our special teachers and instructional assistants are necessary for every student to have the education they deserve and Sharon. And please consider them when looking at your budget.
Thank you. Thank you.
Dr.
Kim Hokanson.
Thanks, Avi. My name is Kim Hokanson.
I have one child at East and one child in middle school.
And I'll keep it very brief.
I first I do appreciate the support of the DEI director echoing this idea of it involves all different kinds of inclusion, including those with disabilities.
I think that there is a lot of ableism and it's really wonderful for us to continue building there.
Also want to just give my unequivocal support and hope that we can more loudly support our youth who are in the LGBTQIA plus community.
It's not only, you know, the right thing to do, but it's also suicide prevention.
It is just a good public health measure to support our children wherever they fall in their positionality.
Thanks, y'all.
Thank you. Next up, Sarah Karamita.
Good evening.
And thank you for the opportunity to speak before you this evening.
So my name is Sarah Karamita.
I have two children at East Elementary School and one will be entering second grade next year.
And I am here tonight to express my strong opposition to the proposal in the 2025-2026 budget, eliminating two teachers at East. This would result in a material increase in class size.
And it's a plan that appears to disproportionately fall on one elementary school.
While I understand that this decision is being driven by budget concerns and the difficult decisions must be made, I am deeply concerned that this decision will have significant negative consequences for the students, teachers, and overall quality of education.
Strong relationships with teachers help students develop confidence, curiosity, and a love of learning. Smaller class sizes enables teachers to better understand each child's strengths and weaknesses and enable students to receive more personalized instruction and support where needed.
Smaller class sizes further enables teachers to develop relationships with the parents and involve them in the learning process. I know that we have appreciated and benefited from the ability to communicate with our children's teachers and have a window into what they're learning.
Expanding the number of students in a classroom by this margin hinders the ability of the teachers to effectively communicate with the parents.
Expanding the class size will also amplify the strain on our teachers.
Teachers are responsible for managing the diverse needs of their students, providing social-emotional support, and providing high-quality instruction.
With larger class sizes, it becomes harder to maintain a safe, effective learning environment.
This can lead to burnout and teacher turnover, which negatively affects our community.
Our teachers are a valuable asset to our community and are the backbone of our schools.
It is incumbent upon this body to create an environment where they feel supported to do their best work.
It is for these reasons I strongly urge you to reject that proposal to eliminate these two teachers at East Elementary School.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Nicole Carroll? Nicole Carroll?
Hi, thank you.
My name is Nicole Carroll.
I have been a teacher for 11 years, nine of which have been spent in third grade at East Elementary School.
I apologize, I'm reading off of something I wrote on my phone.
I just wanted to speak on the behalf of possibly cutting a first and second grade section at East Elementary.
I understand on paper these numbers may be considered low, but I really want to stress the importance of smaller class sizes, specifically at the elementary level. On a daily basis, teachers, IAs, support staff, specialists are making hundreds of decisions in any given moment, thinking about the variety of needs of our students.
These needs include academic needs, social, emotional, behavioral, English learner, and so much more. And these include both identified and non-identified students.
Thinking about like a student who's on an IEP versus a general ed student.
Increasing class sizes at the elementary level is going to impact our ability to meet these various needs of our students.
Needs that have only continued to increase in recent years.
And I know I've spoke about this issue in the past.
I'm asking on behalf of teachers and parents at East Elementary School to please avoid cutting any sections at the elementary level.
This is not just a matter of teachers simply not wanting larger classrooms.
This is a matter of already being spread too thin and the desire to do truly what is best for each and every single one of our students.
No cut is going to be considered a good cut. And I understand these are really difficult decisions that need to be made. But I really want you to think about the impact that these decisions are going to make on our youngest population of students.
And I also want you to think about teacher retention with this as well.
Cutting sections, possibly bringing them back in different years, having different numbers at different grade levels.
That's not how we're going to retain amazing and hardworking teachers in our schools.
And I also just want to throw in a huge support for our IAs who are helping us on the front lines day after day.
Again, like I said, these are not easy decisions, but I really want you to think about the impact it's going to have directly on these students.
Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Mary Friedland.
Can you hear me?
You sure can. Great.
Thank you.
I am an IA at Cottage Street School in a separate program.
And I wanted to talk about the fact that earlier this week, the teaching staff in the Sharon Public Schools received a letter from the superintendent, letting us know that you were offering an early retirement bonus to teachers in units A and B. This bonus was going to be a $15,000 bonus plus $8,000 sick time buyback.
This was not offered to IAs.
The superintendent came back later in the afternoon and said it's not offered to IAs because they are needed in the school system and they are not being asked to leave. This tells you something about the necessity of the necessity of the IAs. After the lengthy IA contract negotiations during which the bargaining team has been told that there is no money for us, suddenly there's money to be found. I wish to ask that instead of paying staff to leave, you find a way to pay IAs to stay by offering fair compensation and a living wage.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
We'll now go to our secretary, Shawna Blinky, for correspondence.
Thank you.
Hold on one second. Let me just pull it up.
All right.
The school committee has received 52 pieces.
Can you hear me?
We can't hear you.
Yeah. Okay. Sorry.
Just wanted to make sure.
The school committee has received 52 pieces of correspondence between January 22nd, 2025 at 9 a.m.
and February 12th, 2025 at 9 a.m. We received feedback from many members in the community regarding the 2025-26 school year calendar.
The themes of the feedback include requests to consider a federal holiday-only calendar, which include a petition signed by community members, the impacts that frequent holiday disruptions can have on the educational process, requests to consider a holiday observance as an excused absence, granting the second day off for Rosh Hashanah does not send a message of inclusion, requests for a more objective collection and consideration of data when determining whether to cancel school, calendar seems to reflect the considerations of one group within the community, requests to support a before Labor Day start for the calendar, and requests to ensure that the calendar end as early in June as possible.
A couple of parents wrote to provide feedback on kindergarten, which included a request to continue the discussions regarding free full-day kindergarten and to share the experiences of a student who is enrolled in the half-day kindergarten program this year and how the structure of that program impacted the student.
A community member wrote in with questions regarding the elementary master plan process and a timeline as well as the relationship to the capital budget request for FY26.
A parent wrote in to request their concerns regarding the special education program and district support for students who require services.
We received the February edition of the Sharon High School Library newsletter and the Heights Library happenings.
There were several letters that highlighted the critical role of IAs with a request for the district to reach a contract agreement with the IAs.
We received several editions of Millie's METCO newsletter that highlighted events in the METCO districts and provided information on the METCO Pathways Fair and the availability of Saturday tutoring in METCO headquarters.
A parent wrote in to express their concerns regarding the recent incident with a student at Cottage Elementary School who was missing from the school grounds.
A parent from the Early Childhood Center wrote on behalf of the EEC PTO regarding the sudden departure of the EEC director and communication regarding plans and next step.
A parent wrote to ask for clarification on the school committee request that cameras be turned on for participants who wish to be recognized during the school committee meeting.
There were many letters sent to the school committee regarding the proposed update of policy JIH, student questioning and searches.
These letters expressed concerns regarding the updated language of the policy, including how this new policy may impact marginalized students, immigrants, students with disabilities, and students of color.
Concerns that the proposed language does not apply, only apply to the Sharon Police Department, but rather general quote-unquote law enforcement.
The age change on the updated policy proposal.
Support for the parental notification and parental presence prior to any questioning of a student.
Concerns about the vagueness of some of the language used in a new policy, such as reasonable opportunity and defining of definition of quote-unquote questioning.
The role that the legal representation might play throughout this process.
A parent wrote to request that the district take all necessary precautions to ensure that students who are transported via special education vans are safe and properly supported and supervised.
The Norfolk County Sheriff's Department wrote to share information on their upcoming Youth Leadership Academy, which is held at various locations.
A community member wrote to express their concerns regarding a school committee member who was invited to attend a recent Sharon for Liberty meeting and the message that attendance could send about the school committee's commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion in our schools.
Many members of the community have reached out to the school committee regarding the FY26 operating budget with feedback on potential cuts and areas of concern, including class size impacts for potential teacher reductions at the elementary level, support for the elementary music program and for the elementary music during the school day, concerns regarding the art reduction at the elementary level, impact of teacher reductions at Sharon Middle School, Sharon High School athletic program needs.
We received an invitation to open town hall meeting with Congressman Jake Auchincloss on February 6, 2025.
The school committee was invited to attend the upcoming Sharon Plurals and Network events being held on February 26, 2025, and April 2, 2025.
Finally, several community members wrote to express their concerns regarding recent federal actions and executive orders and how they may affect the integrity of education in the district, as well as impact on marginalized communities.
One letter recognized the district's commitment to support the safety and well-being of all students and asked that they remain committed to those goals with a particular focus on students in the LGBTQ plus community.
I think that is the longest one I've ever read.
That is it for correspondence.
All right. Thank you, Shauna.
Do we have an update from a student representative tonight?
If we do, just raise your hand.
I'll gladly call on you. I do not see anything from student reference.
I'll throw it to Superintendent Dr. Botello for his general updates.
Great.
Thank you.
I'm going to start off with just a little update on the capital process in that...
So back on October 9th, we presented our first capital budget proposal.
Then on December 2nd, it was reviewed at the capital meeting.
During that meeting, they asked us to submit an update on that with requests placed in priority position.
On January 22nd, the approved, revised, prioritized proposal was voted on and it included below-the-line priority items which the district determined could be addressed in future capital budgets. Since then, the district determined based on enrollment projections that the high construction costs could be deferred to FY27, that we wouldn't need those this next coming year so that we could conclude them on the five-year plan but not on the FY26 request.
So based upon that, on February 3rd, the Capital Light Committee voted our proposal.
This, again, took off the heights construction for the FY26.
It increased portable radios to 30,000 and increased document cameras to 20,000.
It did not include any of those below-the-line items that were presented on January 22nd.
Then on February 10th, the Finance Committee delivered and approved.
So we're in very good shape.
We appreciate the Capital Outlet Committee for really supporting our needs in the upcoming year and the Finance Committee support as well. And these are, you know, as you've seen before, are what are included in those Capital requests.
So it's nothing new, just good news in that it's been supported by both Capital Outlay and FinCom.
I got good news from the from the Tech Collaborative that they, all of the districts in Tech have voted to accept Sharon into the Collaborative.
So that will begin on July 1st, 2025.
As we've discussed previously, there's lots of benefits that come with that acceptance.
In Holliston, we were a strong member of Tech Collaborative.
And if you could go into the next slide, Jane, we can show some of the benefits.
So reduced tuition, they have some great special education programs.
And so some reduced tuition for those programs.
There's also, we get 80 seats per year included in our membership for online courses for middle and high school students. The Tech runs TechA, which is one of the two approved online schools in the state.
And so these courses are with similar instructors to the TechA program.
We also have student internships and career exploration programs and college fairs.
Tons of great professional development at discounted rates.
Job likes for all different types of groups, whether it might be special education directors or assistant principals or coordinators of various kinds.
Discounted tuition at, for teachers or IAs for master's and bachelor's degree programs.
Tech Student Data Privacy Alliance free for tech members. We would be spending some money on this even if we didn't belong to tech because it's so important and this way you would get that benefit for free.
There's also tons of purchasing programs that allow us to purchase and have some cost benefit there.
So there's no question that the fee that we pay will pay off in many, many ways.
General, I think there's going to be an international night on April 3rd and a district right communication out with that as we're looking forward to really celebrating our different, you know, our heritage of various groups, as many groups as possible within our Sharon community on April 3rd.
We haven't gotten final word from the Teachers Association on the 25th, 26th calendar but we should be getting that soon.
I had a great meeting thanks to Kim Newton who's a parent at Cottage set up a meeting with the Special Olympics Unified Champions Schools Representatives.
These are folks who work with some of our unified sports that we do and help to support those efforts throughout the country.
These are regional representatives but there's also a unified Champions Schools program that looks to expand unified sports as well as expanding other inclusive opportunities through youth leadership and whole school engagement and so it's just they're a great resource for us.
Unified Sports has been a tremendous success and it's something we want to continue to expand as well as look like other opportunities whether they be peer opportunities for kids to do drama productions together or dance or various things that really bring together all members of our community and especially some of our students with severe special needs with their peers throughout the community knowing that all kids benefit from these types of opportunities to work together.
Also February vacation will be next week so we hope everyone enjoys the break.
Thanks Dr. Patel. Does anybody from the table have any questions about general updates before we move to budget?
All right.
Seeing no questions, Dr. Patel I'll throw back to you for the FY26 operating budget update discussion.
The first thing I want to kind of just mention is this is like my proposal if the priorities stuck at 2.76
that we continue to look for creative ways to make it less negatively impactful.
please know that the cuts that are part of this are not things that I really support.
It's just tough decisions need to be considered when you don't have a budget that meets your full needs.
So I just want to make sure that people understand that and I certainly appreciate and respect people's feedback on we're hopeful that the 2.76
will change next week at priorities and that we'll be able to make some positive changes in the reductions that would need to be done if the budget stuck at 2.76.
So the budget process first is again is based upon enrollment in core services and programming.
So we look at what the enrollment how that's shifting from year to year.
We look at the core services and programming that we absolutely must provide as well as looking at other programming that is really really important to our educational program but can be considered for reductions in really horrible budget years.
We have to consider the contractual obligations and mandated services and make sure those are built in. Those are not things that we can even consider cutting.
We have to look at fixed costs to keep our buildings and keep our kids get our kids to school.
and then we also align to both the goals and district plan of the town public schools as well as the school committee budget guidelines.
Just a refresher on the budget guidelines that were put forth that's really looking to make sure that we did have a plan that meets the allocation that's provided by the town.
Again, we're hopeful that that will be altered and increased next week.
Wanted to make sure that the new ELA curriculum rollout was supported since there's such an investment in the time to choose a new program and adopt a new program and make sure that it really worked for kids.
Looking to strengthen our special education and that's why part of the budget includes restoring our elementary special education coordinator as well as making sure that there's no cuts in special education staffing and some additions in clerical supports.
Also, maintaining small classes at the elementary level.
So that's why I think it will be a really strong consideration to look at what the impacts of possible cuts would be and decide which ones still allow us to maintain class size that's acceptable here in Sharon and which ones do not.
The addition of a high school assistant principal to make sure that the supports are adequate for such a good sized and really complex building at the high school and then also looking at if we could reduce or eliminate the kindergarten fee.
So my initial proposed budget was a 5.46%
increase.
But the current increase that is being presented as our target priorities is 2.76.
So in order to close that gap, there needed to be outlined 1,459,787.70
worth of cuts.
And so those potential cuts, which we'll review again today, and people will have an opportunity to comment on further, are what I'm going to show.
Again, on February 18th, next Tuesday, the priorities committee will meet again.
And as is customary, you know, we're expecting that there will be a rise in that budget target.
Hopefully it will be a sizable one.
And then following, you know, that meeting will present a revised budget based upon that.
So just looking at the next steps and what's happened thus far.
So the preliminary allocation was 2.76.
On January 27th, the governor budget was released.
It gave us a little bit more information on what we could expect as far as town revenue.
On February 12th, today, we have the public budget hearing where we can get all kinds of input, both from the public and the committee.
On next week, we'll have a revised target.
Then based upon the feedback from today's budget hearing, as well as discussions at the table, as well as continuing analysis of impacts, I will, on February 26th, propose a budget that meets the new target.
On March 5th, the school committee is scheduled to vote to approve a budget and then we'll go to finance committee on March 10th to present that budget.
So currently based upon the 2.76,
if we, again, I do not expect it to stick at 2.76,
but if for some reason that was necessary, these are the types of cuts that we would have to consider.
So elementary teachers, and as people discussed, elementary teachers, grade 1 and 2 would likely result in numbers between 22 and 24 students in grade 22. 22. Right now it looks like 22, but if you have some move-ins over the summer, that's why I put that higher range.
There's a slight chance that it could be lower than that, but that's the best projections we could have for grade 1 and 2 if any of those grade 1 and 2 cuts were made.
Then if, then, in addition, if we had to do a fourth cut, that would need to be done more at the upper elementary level, and that would result in like 25 or 26 based upon current numbers in those grade levels.
In all those situations, there's a couple different places where those could be considered if any of these cuts needed to be made, and those cuts would be made, you know, once we knew, you know, a little further in the spring, once we knew exactly which places those would be able to maintain the lowest class sizes possible.
Again, none of those cuts are things that I think are in the best interest of our kids, and like we did have a couple of cuts in one edition that we have already made that really allow us to maintain the low class size that we aspire to, but these would be additional cuts that would push us above where we typically target for our elementary class sizes.
We're also looking at, you know, small cuts potentially in art and library in order to save some money. This would be based upon the number of classes that art and library teachers would need to teach based upon next year's enrollment.
But also, we are doing some exploration of looking at all of our specialists and our FLESH programs to see if there's a way to reconfigure things that still maintain our world language Spanish program, but perhaps in a different way that might be even stronger in some ways, while trying to see if we can gain any efficiencies by seeing if we can have some of our specialist teachers travel less.
So we're exploring that as well.
So the elementary art and librarian, we're looking at that in conjunction with the entire specialist schedule to look to see if there's any potential savings while maintaining strong services in those areas.
Also, another place that is a potential savings is elementary and strength of music requires us to have additional FTEs in that area.
And so if that was changed to more of a voluntary after-school programming, that would save money.
In that area, we do have a lot of kids who take advantage of the in-school program, and I think it really is valuable.
Obviously, again, I think a lot of things are valuable, but I do think it's kind of unique that we have so many kids involved. So, you know, that's a place where we have to consider, but it's not something that in an ideal world we would touch.
Middle school would be to looking at enrollment in seventh and eighth grade would, instead of having three full teams in seventh and eighth grade, we would have one team in seventh and eighth grade which would teach, you know, two seventh grade sections and two eighth grade sections.
So, it would be a combined team.
That would result in class sizes.
Again, the lower number is, you know, based upon current enrollment and based upon being able to really make sure those class sizes are as even as possible.
Because in seventh and eighth grade, we have some different levels, especially in mathematics, it doesn't allow you to perfectly just divide the groups evenly.
So, that's why you have that range.
But so, it would be between 22 to 25 kids.
And then, again, in one of the grades, it would be between 22 and 27.
I put the 25 and the 27.
I think that's kind of a worst-case scenario.
I think the 22, 23, 24, 25 is probably more likely. the 26, 27 is not likely, but it's still, I just don't want to put it there just in case because of, again, the way that kids get placed into the different level classes that can cause, like, an anomaly in that some classes are bigger and they could go up higher than desired.
And then high school, if we were to look at high school cuts, the impacts, it's really hard to determine exactly what the impacts would be until kids actually select in our placement classes, which doesn't happen until, ultimately, until, you know, kind of late spring, especially when you're considering not only just the initial placements, but also overrides that account.
But what our staff is doing is they're looking at, okay, if, you know, if we had, if we look at what we have as far as sections and numbers this year, and we had to reduce, you know, say, four sections in the department, what would be the potential impact of that and using that as a projection of the potential impact for next year?
But also, we need to realize that when we do make cuts in sections, that also reduces the number of periods when a particular course or leveled course is offered, so it might impact the kid's ability to get exactly what they want in their schedule in a given year.
And that's always the case, but the less sections you have, it's more of a case. So none of this can be projected perfectly until you actually run the whole schedule and then you have numerous weeks and months of hand scheduling to still try to get kids as many things while still having class sizes be within the contractual limits.
But these are some of the possibilities.
things that in Spanish, and I say Spanish because many of our kids take Spanish, so because of that you have more options as far as maybe taking six sections of a Spanish course and breaking it down to five or four and still maintaining relatively decent class sizes.
So Spanish would be that.
in all these areas, if we had a choice of not offering something because we don't have enough FTEs to do so or to consider a multi-level course, that would be something we want to consider.
We know that the committee has not generally supported multi-level courses for philosophical reasons, but it would be something that we want to consider for budgetary reasons if it still allows a kid to take a course that they want.
In English, there would be concern again about large class sizes.
All of this would be concerned about caseload limits. We've been able to have all teachers except for perhaps one at the high school stay within that hundred caseload limit.
And so it would be difficult to have that as we cut back classes in sections.
So we'd have to be really aware of that and either stay within those caseload limits, which limits to some degree kids choices, or work to have an MOA with the union that will allow us to go above that. There is a provision in there, but it is something that has to be agreed upon.
You know, one of the things that definitely gets more impacted as you reduce sections are some of the electives that might have lower enrollment and aren't the core courses that everyone needs to take.
So those are the types of things that get impacted in English.
Similarly, in math, some of the electives get impacted, as well as the ability for students to double up in math can get impacted when you have last course sections.
math has been an area where math, in order to really get kids all of the offerings, math department has been asking for more FTEs.
So this is an area where, you know, because of what kids are really wanting, it would be a difficult place to cut, but certainly we're going to have to measure it against cuts in other areas and consider it as well. science, similarly, some of the electives in making sure that, you know, our APs run, you know, in multiple times so kids have opportunities to take them, those things would be jeopardized, as well as we have a lot of kids who do double up in science, so that makes it more difficult because there might be a section of a course that would allow a kid to double up, but because it's under-enrolled, it's not able to be offered.
And then visual arts, we look at that and it would result in the reduction or elimination of some of the specialty courses in digital photography and animation that a small number of kids take but are very, very valuable.
Also, we are exploring, looking at technology and library media, as well as creative wellness solutions where students might be able to get some of their wellness credits by sports and other activities that they do. So those are other areas that we're exploring when we look at those reductions at the high school.
District restructuring would really be, it would be kind of reducing some of our admin at the central office level, and it also would be looking at finding savings by when we're replacing some admin positions across the district, being able to hire replacements at at least a somewhat lower cost and have savings there. So that's what that is. That really would be looking at the restructuring.
You know, we really need to kind of have to maintain my position, an assistant superintendent for curriculum and instruction, a special education director of finance, assistant superintendent, so we'll be looking at HR and DEI and the executive assistant of which who is retiring at the end of the year, and so looking at, we definitely still need that, we used to have two of those positions, we need to keep one, but it might be looking at what responsibilities that has to help with some of the reductions that would have occurred, and this is building upon reductions we've had over the last several years, so it certainly would impact systems responsiveness and improvement efforts, but we would try to, we would do our very best to maintain all the core responsibilities, but with a lesser staff, and then we also, again, had talked about increases in athletic fees, and transportation fee increases, and as we get the revised budget number for next week with priorities, looking at, you know, exactly what those fee proposals might be to try to minimize the impacts on services that are cut to kids.
Yep.
And so that's...
All right.
Keeping in mind, this is a presentation we have seen before.
I will take questions from the table. I'll start with Julie.
Thanks.
Thanks, Avi.
Hi, everyone.
Hi, Dr. Botello.
I was wondering if, just to put everything in context, if you could talk about the drivers of the budget and what's going on that make us, like, need to have so many cuts.
Well, if we go back to kind of our initial presentations, just our contractual obligations, as well as utilities costs, as well as mandated special education costs, result in a sizable increase already.
And then, you know, factoring in that the priorities target is not allowing for those, you know, kind of set increases, as well as the request by the committee to reinstate our, you know, coordinator at the elementary level, as well as, you know, the need to reinstate an assistant principal at the high school, considering it's the only high school in the area that has close to that size with only one assistant principal. So those things together, you know, result in a budget that, you know, is not able to be met at a 2.76,
thus, you know, cuts across the district would need to be done.
I talked to my colleague in Walpole, and they're in a similar position.
They're asking for a 5.75
increase.
If not, they'll have 15 or some odd, you know, cuts.
It's not something that's unique to us. we haven't been able to fund schools in a way that keeps up with the increasing costs, and therefore, we have to make these decisions.
Typically, over the course of my career, we see, like, three kind of good budget years, three kind of mediocre, and three bad. We're not seeing the three good anymore.
We're seeing mediocre and bad, and so that's really hurting abilities, and especially, obviously, here in Sharon with a tax base that is not very commercially based, it's even more difficult.
Thanks.
Jeremy.
Sorry.
Still getting back from the flu.
I don't want to sound like a broken record, but in this presentation, it's still very unclear what trade-offs were being asked to make.
It's unclear what non-mandatory spending items have been prioritized.
This is the third time I've given this feedback, and we've seen the same slides three times.
And in a tough budget year, we've wasted almost two months reviewing the same slides and making the same requests over and over.
In our priorities that we submitted at the beginning of this process, the single top priority was maintaining elementary classroom size. And it's unclear what we are prioritizing over that.
And I think the discussion we need to be having is, if I'm reading the packet for posting correctly, we have the option between keeping a DEI director or two elementary teachers.
We still continue to fund foreign language for elementary school at the cost of a quarter million dollars. Now, I know if we get rid of that program, it's not all going to be recruited because the time would have to be used elsewhere in other ways.
But a lot of other districts, including Brookline, have eliminated that. But do you understand, Jeremy, it's not a cost savings.
That world language, I've said it several times, the world language time allows us to provide contractual preparation time for our teachers.
So if we cut our world language program, we have to increase our specialists in other areas. It's not a cost savings.
We are trying to look, as I said, to see if we can reconfigure that period to gain some efficiencies, and that would be a cost savings.
But it wouldn't necessarily need to. That's something that we should be looking at as part of this, right? That's what we are doing.
And we have not looked at the non-mandatory things that we are keeping as part of this.
Do you want me to repeat those for you?
Because I've said it. I can do it again.
Sure, go ahead.
Counselors and support providers.
So we have not, when we talk about the mental health needs of our kids and the already low numbers as far as counselor and other specialists, we have not, we've considered those, but we have not cut those.
They are not mandatory unless they're part of a kid IAP.
Literacy and math specialists.
Those are things we considered cutting back. We already cut back last year. We considered cutting them more.
We have not cut them more.
Those could be considered.
They're not part of my proposals.
They could be part of yours if you think those are worthwhile.
I've said these before.
Technology support and full-time library media services, we are considering that.
But there is a drawback.
I don't want to interrupt you. These have not been in any of the presentations and there has not been an organized discussion. Yes, they have. All of this has been in the presentation.
This is a poor quality presentation and it is a disservice to this community.
If you look at I implore you to look at peer districts and the presentations that their admin have submitted and the process they've gone through instead of this 11th hour insanity.
We are not taking this seriously and we're expecting it's not customary to receive more money from the priorities committee.
We should be having these discussions for you.
Have you been in where there's not I haven't been in I've worked in five districts the initial priorities target in all of those districts customarily goes up.
Is that not true? Where you're getting that information from? But compare your presentation that of other districts and this is woeful.
I want you to look at what other districts do and understand how you are not meeting the minimal bar.
Okay.
We need to discuss what we are keeping and you say it now. It has not been in prior meetings and it has not been in prior prioritizations.
Jeremy, I just want to interject here and I don't want to cut you off either one of you. I think this is a valuable conversation and I think you have every right to speak your mind here.
I do just want to remind you that at the last meeting you made a motion.
I supported that motion made a friendly amendment which you accepted which was for these things which you are in my opinion appropriately asking for but after priorities. The only thing I would interject is the word customary semantically I heard it and I'm not sure either but I will tell you that historically if we replace it with the word historically I've set on priorities this was my fourth year. I've never not seen an increase come from the first meeting to the last.
That is historically the way the priorities does work but again I just want to interject with those two points. I just think there are a lot of items in here that have been work discussion and we've been asking for and yes we have made a motion to force him to provide it after the priorities meeting but that is helpful information that should have started at the beginning of these budget discussions because we have no idea what no clear idea what we are prioritizing now what cost over some of these cuts. so this process has been behind closed doors it has not been transparent it has not been inclusive of the community and it's not acceptable.
That's my two cents.
Shauna.
Thank you.
Dr. Patel a couple of questions.
I would I know that you had mentioned restructuring of central office.
I would like to see that parceled out to see what what exactly that's going to look like. You had mentioned restructuring the DEI looking at the executives and you know the need to have as the core right in terms of functioning as a school district.
I'd like to I'd like to see more of that.
to see where the cost savings can be pulled from central office so that we don't have to get to teachers.
I think we are a heavy district with central office administration and any restructuring is a great idea.
I know it makes it harder but that's what I would like to request that.
Also I was wondering if only because knowing the intricacies of how a high school runs has there been any preliminary scheduling done running numbers versus this year versus last year for classes.
I know we have already started the process in my school district.
I was wondering if Sharon has if we've done that if Mr.
Palmer is here or not.
Because that will help too in terms of understanding where we can cut a position or a class FTE.
we're not in a place in that process to have hard enough numbers to be very helpful. They're just in the process of beginning to select their classes and then again there's that in our district there is substantial change during that override process which is further down the line so we still have quite a bit of time in that process before we have those hard numbers.
Okay. And then can you please explain to me the sorry I lied I had said I did too I have three things.
Can you please explain to me the impact on the middle school?
I've heard different things in terms of like it's funny that I hear things from the community in terms of like quote unquote rumors but I want to understand what it's actually going to look like for our seventh and eighth graders.
Is it yeah.
in seventh and eighth grade there would be a third team that includes a special educator as well as an English teacher a math teacher a science teacher a social studies teacher and those teachers would teach two seventh grade groups and two eighth grade groups.
So it would be a split team that teaches both grade levels and spreads them across instead of having a separate third team in seventh grade and a separate third team in eighth grade and the result would be those class sizes because we still would spread kids kind of evenly.
The number of seventh graders on that team would be much smaller than the first two teams and eighth graders as well and we'd spread those off and result in class sizes between 22 and 25 but potentially in one of the grades a little bit higher in some sections not across the board.
The average would be more like 23 but because of levels they can range where you might have some sections that are higher numbers and some sections that are lower numbers.
I just want to put it out there right now. So we currently, our current model is three teams on each grade level.
Correct.
So just so I make sure I understand but also the community understands the impact.
you're saying that of the seventh grade team, one teacher, one English teacher, right, if they were to hypothetically teach four sections of an English class, two sections would be seventh grade and two sections would be eighth grade English?
Correct.
Right?
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah.
At least they would, I want to make sure I'm getting it. They definitely would be teaching a couple of seventh grade and a couple of eighth grade. It might be actually two and three, I believe. So you take the smaller, the larger of the two grades and they would teach three.
Yeah. But they would teach both seventh and eighth grade. Correct. Okay.
So it's not eliminating, it's not necessarily eliminating a team.
It falls more on the teacher.
Correct?
Because the team would still, I, sorry.
I'm just going to explain, well I might be able to clarify this. What I'm hearing and correct me if I'm wrong, Dr. Tullo, is if there's currently three teams in seventh and three teams in eighth, that's six teams combined over the two.
There now will be five teams combined over the two.
So there will be two teams that specifically teach seven, two teams that specifically teach eight. So essentially you're condensing the number of kids that used to be split over three, over two and a half. Two and a half.
Okay.
Okay. Thank you. I was trying to figure it out in my head, but also wanted to make sure that we were clear for the community.
Thank you.
So I have three things I want, three things I want to say.
The first is, is that I think nobody that works for our public schools gets up in the morning and tries to do anything but ensure we're the best district possible.
None of the school committee ran to be on the school committee to do anything other than to make sure we have the best district possible.
None of the parents, none of the teachers, none of the community members sitting here in this Zoom room are here for any other reason that they care about this being the best district possible. And while, you know, some of us ran on the idea that, man, we're down to 25 or man, we're out of the top 10, I think sometimes we forget that we are still an excellent top-notch district that offers far less than other districts, an extraordinary education for our students.
I think it is a disservice to, and I say this respectfully to my colleague, to use this time to yell at our superintendent.
I think we are a better district.
You look at the front page of the Boston Globe right now, there's an allegation in Brooklyn that $8 million went missing from the budget, or excuse not went missing, was misappropriated from special education funds.
That's not the town of Sharon.
We have our disagreements, we have our concerns, there need not be among any of us yelling at this table.
Secondly, I disagree substantively with my colleague, Mr. K, because I think, and I hope this is an important point, Dr. Botello and team put out a line-item budget.
The way I perceive what Dr. Botello has done in this process is he's looked at the line-item budget and given us his opinion about the things that he would cut within the parameters that he's been given and we've been given by the town.
Everything else remains on the table.
He chose the things that he presented today.
If we believe, as members of the school committee, that there are things that should be cut instead, we have access to the full line-item budget and we can start doing that.
Indeed, that's what happened last year when the school committee last year started going through the line-item budget and deciding things that were going to replace the recommendations that were made by the educational leadership in our district.
So to me, it's not about, well, what trade-offs did Dr. Botello make?
He's made very clear what trade-offs he's made.
It's the question now of, okay, do we agree with his trade-offs?
We want to make other trade-offs.
That's my view.
I might have missed this in Shauna's questioning, so forgive me because I was making notes.
But Dr. Botello, I don't want to get too far in the weeds on class size, particularly since the priorities number may change.
But it is my understanding that in general, the end-of- the-day goal with respect to difficult cuts that might have to happen to class sizes at the elementary school is that there's generally a leveling across grades and schools, meaning ideally that if you're a fourth grade student at East and you're a fourth grade student at Cottage and you're a fourth grade student at Heights, that generally the class sizes that you're going to experience are about the same. Is that generally the goal of what is trying to be achieved when you're looking at class sizes at the elementary level?
That's generally the goal.
There, and again, as I mentioned, if we do have to reduce sections beyond what is proposed in my initial budget, the higher budget, we would have to as we have new kids entering, start busing kids into other schools in order to make sure that we, that those class sizes are maintained as evenly as possible.
So we wouldn't shift kids out of their homeschool that they're in now, which could cause some anomalies, but for the most part, we maintain pretty equally across, we make decisions in order to have those class sizes be equal across grade levels in the schools as much as possible.
And then again, when we have additional kids, say there was a grade level, like I'm looking at grade two at Cottage, is projecting to be a little bit smaller currently.
We have new kids move in. instead of them perhaps going to East or to go to Heights, their homeschool, they would, in this case, if we didn't have additional sections, need to be going to Cottage, and that would, you know, with just five or six kids, you know, entering, that would make that grade level, you know, pretty much similar to East and Heights, you know.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you.
Julie?
Thanks, Avi.
And I just wanted to make two points.
The first point that I wanted to make was what I was getting at in my first question is that the main driver of our budget is salaries.
And so, really, salaries are the only thing that can be cut.
We've already tried cutting supplies and everything.
Second, I would like to make the point that I was here last year. We were, many of us were here last year.
And we were also presented with the need for, I think it was $1.5 million in cuts.
That's the number in my head.
And we all discussed those cuts for two hours.
And finally, because they were so big, I suggested we use the kindergarten money.
And all we did was postpone last year's cuts to this year. year. And now we want the kindergarten back. But the question is, last year, if we had made the extra half a million in cuts instead of kindergarten, where would we be this year? I have no idea.
I don't think it worked out well.
It was not a great idea.
But I just wanted to say that the cuts that we're making are not in a framework of nice to have, need to have. And I don't even think I've seen that framework in about four years or five years.
It's not one that we've been using. We've been starting with enrollment and looking at what happens after that, that we need to accommodate the enrollment.
I think this process has actually been very transparent.
We got all of this information much earlier in December than we normally do.
And I feel like, Jeremy, if you have had, you've spoken up in meetings, but you haven't really done anything substantive.
You haven't really put forward any ideas.
And I really think that every time your hand goes up, we know it's just going to be the same thing over and over again. I think you had plenty of opportunity to start a discussion, ask other people questions, and maybe you should take advantage of that time now.
So I'm going to step in here real quick just because, Julia, even though I'm chairing the meeting, I don't, I respect your role as chair and don't feel like it's my right to cut you off there. But I do, I do just want to remind this committee and I think for the most part right now we're on the right side, barely, but on the right side of, of professionally respectful conversation.
It does feel like we're just one moment away from going to the wrong side of that line. And I just want to say that we, we're seven elected people.
We represent the people of this town and every single one of us is sitting here because we were elected by the people of the town.
No one is more elected or less elected than the rest of us. And there are people in this town who feel very differently about this budget.
There are people in this town that feel very differently about the budget process.
There are people who are going to be happy in the end, not very many of them. There are a lot of people who are going to be unhappy for very different reasons.
And personally, I just want to say in whatever capacity I'm serving on this committee at this moment, I'm chairing this meeting, I'm serving as vice chair, that I think it's really important for us all to respect each other's roles, including when someone's a dissenting opinion.
And if they're stating what matters to them, I think they're speaking to some people.
So just to be clear, again, I don't want us to veer too far into telling any other member how they should or shouldn't serve in this capacity. Everyone's welcome to speak their mind. But again, I think everyone here is serving the way that they believe they should for the people that elected them, and we are all elected.
So, Dan?
Yeah, thanks.
My questions for Dr. Patel are if those elementary teacher cuts that we all understand our possibility, if the priorities number holds, and we all hope that there will be more funding available, and many of these cuts will not be necessary.
But if that number holds, are those elementary position cuts foregone conclusion to be at East? Is that the idea?
And could you talk about what that would do in regard to class sizes as they compare to each other between the elementary schools? would that final outcome make East comparable to cottage and heights in terms of where class sizes are projected to be there, or would it make East an anomaly in having much larger class sizes?
Thank you.
Dr. Patel, you're muted.
The potential cuts would be a grade one either at heights or East, a grade two at East, and then the next level, which I think, you know, again, get into higher numbers, would be a grade, potentially a grade five at cottage or a grade three at East.
With those, if those cuts were to occur, the kind of the grade one at East or Heights, whichever cut, whichever one, you know, once we get harder numbers, grade one number, kindergarten numbers, we don't get until kids register.
Grade one is also a place where we often see a bump up during the year.
It can be any place from like seven kids to 20 kids given on the year. If actually our numbers, if we were to use the numbers that are coming up from kindergarten, going into grade one, along with some of our students from the shelter that we know will be leaving, we'd actually be right around 22 across the board, and we could make those cuts and still have relatively acceptable class sizes.
We're just projecting that we potentially could have up to 15 kids and that's why having a cut at both East and Heights would not be something that I would suggest we could accomplish and still have relatively good class sizes.
So again, those grade ones are hard to predict, and so what I'm saying right now is worst game scenario, we're considering one of them, which still could, again, keep us around 22 as long as that enrollment over the summer, because we have kind of a buffer right now of about 20 kids and still maintaining 22 class size.
The grade two cut, if that happened at East, that would put East at around 22, 23, that would put Heights at around 22, 23, and it would put Cottage initially at around 20, 21.
So that's again a place where if we had initial additional move-ins coming into Cottage, I mean coming into the district, we would be looking to bus them to Cottage.
This is again based upon numbers we have, you know, kids coming up from grade one to grade two.
Then when we get into grade three or five, which five at Cottage or three at East, if the five at Cottage right now would put us quite high, that would put us around 26, 27, which would be higher than the 22, 23 at East and at Heights.
the grade three at East, if that cut was needed to be made, that would put us up around 25 at East, which is higher than the 23 at Heights and the 21 at Cottage.
And again, we would be looking to have kids go to Cottage if they moved in.
So those are the impacts of if we needed to make those cuts. again, the initial as far as grade one at either Heights or East and grade two at East, again, would keep class sizes pretty even among East and Heights, but then would have to put any additional kids at Cottage. If we had to make multiple cuts, that's where it gets even trickier.
Thank you.
Jeremy.
I'd just like to reply to the comments of my fellow school committee members.
I'm not the only one who gave this feedback.
The Fincom gave very similar feedback on the quality of the presentation and budget.
Please go look at other districts and how their process works and their presentations.
There are tens of pages, like 60, 70 pages, explaining what, why, the rationale, what was prioritized.
What we've been doing here is not normal and it is a disservice to the people of this district.
We only received a line item budget in PDF form earlier this week.
That's where we would have had to go to see what was being prioritized.
Anyone can look on the website.
Our budget website hasn't been updated, unlike other towns. There's no materials for 2025.
But if you look in packets for posting, you can see the line by line.
As we learned in the Massachusetts Association School Committee training, a budget is more than just line items. It's the story.
It's the priorities.
It's what we're doing.
Also, the line by line document doesn't match the presentation that Dr. Botello shared.
And to Julie's point, I think that these discussions should be public and not private behind closed doors so the community can understand what we are and what we are prioritizing.
We can discuss this later, but I don't want to eat up the evening because I know other people have questions, but that's my view.
Thank you.
Julie.
Hi.
Thanks.
Jeremy, I don't want to get in a match with you, but I will say that the 60-page document that you're looking for is the end product.
That's not the beginning product.
The beginning product is this iterative process.
Then when we present in March, there's going to be a whole budget book with all of that information.
We've all been getting little pieces of it along the way as we're discussing different parts in the process.
Then at the end, we're going to get a budget book.
I've already had an opportunity to discuss that.
I would like to know what things we've discussed offline need to be discussed now. We can discuss them now. What are those things?
I do think we need to evaluate whether it makes sense to have, if I'm looking at the line-by-line budget correctly, two elementary school teachers or a DEI director, for example.
It's hard to know purely from the line-by-line budget because lines are not labeled as mandatory or non-mandatory.
That's something that other towns rely on the admin to say, these are the things that we can move around. We've never been presented that.
I'm going to step in again here and say, Jeremy, I think what you just had to say right there, in particular, the tone in which you just said that, I think that's where we want to go.
As a group here, if we put this aside, guys, any disagreement we have on the process, I think that at the end of the day, I tend to believe in the people of Sharon.
I'll go back to the fact all seven of us are elected. I believe they have the right people sitting at this table.
Jeremy, I think that the questions you just raised, those are the kinds of questions that we do need to get to.
I was going to speak last and express that my biggest stress, to be honest with you, and I don't share your view necessarily.
Well, I'll be clear. I don't share your view in how we've gotten to this moment, but I do agree with you that the process itself, and some of it is just in the timing of how priorities happens and whatnot, because when the governor's budget comes out and when this town passes our budget, the timing makes it so that there's going to be this very short period of time where those conversations need to happen. And I do share your view that I wish those conversations could happen over two months.
What I also understand is that the budget process becomes very political in the sense that I've seen Dr. Botello put a budget out that he truly believes in and be criticized for having that be way out of whack financially with the priority number that was showing at the time in some years.
Then I've seen in this case him present a budget that's to the current priorities number just as we've asked, and that has folks in the community believing that I hear people say the superintendent's proposal cuts two teachers at East.
And I don't believe that the superintendent thinks we should cut those two teachers. I believe that he's trying to get to a number that quite frankly I would bet you just about anything won't be the number we end up at.
The process is very frustrating.
I don't disagree actually with aside from the criticism of our superintendent, I don't disagree with any of your frustrations with the process. And I think if we as a group put aside our differences of opinion in how we got here, I think that those conversations are going to be substantive, they're going to be productive, and I think you're right that we need to get to a place where we're talking about, hey, is it DI director or is it his teacher?
What are the things of this committee?
I did appreciate having the line item budget.
I also, like you, noticed that there were a few things that were not in line with some of the presentations.
To me, I don't envy the superintendent in having to show real-life people who are working hard for this district and working really hard for all of our children having their jobs on the chopping block, when in reality, their jobs are hopefully never threatened.
I hope that we end up in a position where we're talking very little cuts and talking very many add backs.
I don't know where we're going to get to.
Adam, go ahead.
Thanks, Javier.
Apologies, all. I'm off camera. I'm on a train.
I think your point now was the prudent one.
I think maybe something from a process standpoint that we can do better with and look to improve on next year is having conversations like I think Jeremy is pointing out we haven't had from a values perspective earlier in this process without necessarily associating direct kind of budget cuts to them. right?
So I think we've adopted an approach where we've tried to look at here's a number that we want to hit.
Here are now kind of numbers that we can try to move around when potentially what we can say is instead, look, let's just understand which of the things cost what and talk about what we value and then that can get translated into a budget later and hopefully those kind of prioritized values can be maintained even as that number shifts.
So try to take us away from or I think we've tried to really protect kind of the district and employees and administration from having to be overly specific as you noted and these are people's jobs and lives.
so maybe we can try to have this discussion to a certain extent without trying to make it about a specific number or staff number.
Fair.
All right. I was planning to speak last just real quick.
Dr. Mattel, thank you for your presentation.
My biggest concern is probably the timeline, which I understand isn't a function of decisions really getting made by our administration is just sort of how the schedule lines up. But I do, when I look at the turnaround from priorities to, when I look at the turnaround from priorities to the presentation from you to the vote from the school committee to the presentation of FinCom, it feels like the really important conversations, the one Jeremy is really alluding to, are going to be very rushed and or we're going to end up in a place where the committee has to either cave on certain things perhaps that matter to its members vis-a-vis the community or admin is, and I feel like we saw last year that that rush created a lot of possible problems.
So to me, I would just ask that the budget subcommittee, perhaps just Adam in his role as budget subcommittee chair, and Dr. Botello have some conversation around how possibly maybe do we need to add a meeting, do we need to have a subcommittee meeting, what is the way in which we can have some of this work be done, and again, to Jeremy's point, in full view of the public, I trust the integrity of people, but I do also believe that the public deserves to understand the thinking and deserves to see the work done.
One thought that I had while Jeremy was talking and pointing some stuff out is one thing that might, I use the word satisfy in the truest form, not in any, I'm not just appease, but actually satisfy.
Jeremy, it feels like perhaps one thing you're pointing out that could be solved by having our line item budget always just as a point of the process, list under every single line, is this mandated?
Because I do believe that if we could maintain at all times an understanding of what could we cut? Because we should recognize that everything is a choice.
And then I think the conversations should be had with a tone of understanding that Dr. Patel knows a lot more about this stuff than we do.
And there are times, Dr. Patel, I feel like it's appropriate for you to tell us, the committee, and certainly the public, that yes, that thing is not mandated.
I do not, you said this last year with an item, I do not believe in a budget that doesn't have that in it. And, you know, sometimes the things that I've heard you say to me in private that had the most impact on my view of your running this district, but also of this budget process, is when you said to me, look, I took this job because I believed in Sharon, and I don't want to be the superintendent of a district that doesn't have X item.
And to me, that's impactful for our educational leader to say, but I think it should still be understood that if a bad school committee wanted to gut its school system, from a budget perspective, the superintendent really has no mechanism to stop them. So it is important for us to see the difference between mandated versus not mandated, because some people, like myself, believe in foreign language in elementary schools.
Some people don't.
That is a decision.
Even if it's net neutral, it is a decision.
And so I think if we could get there, that might perhaps satisfy some of this.
Jeremy?
I think, you know, a line by line of what is mandated and not mandated is not practical, right? When you think about financial planning, you say, here's a module, right? This is the, or a discussion around what type of class sizes are we targeting?
Like, how should we think about the trade-offs between breadth of offering in high school and elementary instruction?
How should we think about here, you know, here's what elementary school foreign language would cost?
Like, here's what we, how much of that cost we can strip out should we replace it with something else through the optimization that Dr. Batilla referenced? list.
Um, and just having that list of, you know, some of them are going to be a little bit more, they're not going to be, um, blanking on the right word, but some are going to be gradients.
It's going to be, how should we think about targeting class size? Like, here are the list of trade-offs, whereas here are like yes or no, like kind of binary elements.
But it's that meta layer where each of those is composed of a few variables in a discussion just around those priorities and matching to that.
And, you know, I, I thought that we were clear around elementary class size being a top priority.
So I think we did try to attempt this.
Um, but then I don't think we had the conversations of what does that mean? Well, we're keeping some of these other non-mandatory elements.
Um, so why are we keeping those and not keeping elementary class size small when that was kind of number one on the list in the budget subcommittee?
Dan?
Yeah, I, I, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to having more information or, um, potentially some sort of a coding perhaps in the budget later this year or next year. about, you know, where different items of the budget lie in terms of the superintendent's priorities or our priorities.
Um, if something is required by law, perhaps that would be good to note. Um, but that's all useful information.
Uh, I do struggle to understand just personally, um, how we would categorize things as for example, mandatory or non-mandatory, like for example, um, a science teacher position.
Is that mandatory or not mandatory? I, I don't even know how to evaluate that, you know, um, athletics like are athletics mandatory or not mandatory.
So I, I don't know if people have ideas about that or if, or I'm not trying to be funny. I just, I, I just, um, you know, if we do that, that that's fine. I just, people make comments to the effect that something is mandatory or not mandatory, or, um, for example, nice to have versus must have, like, I don't, that's a useful lens. Sometimes I use it myself, but it's not the only lens I use. And sometimes, um, it does feel like it's, it's, it's purporting to be an objective way of looking at things when it's actually just laundering our own personal values through that lens.
Um, you know, like I could call something a must have someone else might call it that nice to have. So, um, I, I don't think that's actually an objective way of looking at budgets, but it might be a helpful one if we understand what it means. Like if the superintendent says, I consider this a must have, okay.
I understand what that means. So not opposed to it. I just, I'd want to maybe have more conversations about, excuse me, what exactly we mean by the terms and what nomenclature we're going to be using in the budget.
Thank you.
Thanks Dan.
Um, guys, just a reminder, we do still have the public hearing to get to. And I imagine that might be lengthy.
Adam.
Yeah, I think you just made a really good point, um, earlier about the timeline.
Um, and so I wanted to, to kind of put, put on, on record publicly and we can work offline to find the right time.
Um, we will need a meeting, uh, in between or, or an additional meeting, um, in between the 26th and the 5th.
Um, right.
I don't think it's viable to come back after priorities, um, present, um, kind of an updated budget, present the trade-offs, entertain discussion, um, and then come back on March 5th, uh, and vote.
Like, I, I think, uh, I think Dr. Tell will need to hear feedback.
Um, we'll likely need an additional presentation of the budget, um, with then a vote on March 5th. So just to, to let people know it will work out, um, count on on, but, um, for all involved, uh, all school committee and administration, um, just please count on that time.
Thanks, Alan.
Alan.
There's a lot of things I want to talk about, and I think this is a worthwhile discussion for us as a board to have, but I wanted to say, Avi, what I think you just said, which is that tonight is really designed to be a public hearing for us to hear from the residents.
It's 8 57.
We'd like us, if, if everyone's amenable, I would like to suggest that we kind of let people who might need to get to bed or want to get to get the comments in a reasonable hour to do that. And if we want to return to this discussion after that, uh, I'll stay here as long as we want to.
Imagine if we had those 40 seconds back.
Sorry.
Touche. All right, Julie.
You don't joke with you, by the way.
Julie, you're good.
All right. Um, I'm, I'm, I'm fine.
I just, I just think that unfortunately this conversation got off the rails and to the extent I contributed it, I'm sorry.
I do think that one of the other things that makes it difficult to say what is mandatory is not simply just saying a state requirement, but also we have contract considerations and a lot of other things that go into this.
And so it's not like a Jenga and you can just keep pulling things out and putting them somewhere else. Like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just not like that. And I, I, I guess my problem is I just don't visualize what some people on the committee have sort of tried to visualize.
So I'm hoping to hear from our constituents, um, you know, what, what, what they think.
Thank you.
Thanks.
All right. We'll move to the public hearing.
Um, all right.
In accordance with MGL chapter 71, section 38 N, a public hearing for the proposed 2025, 2026 school budget will be held on Wednesday, February 12th, 2025 during the regularly scheduled school committee meeting.
All right.
I, I will entertain folks.
Thanks, Avi. So I have a bunch of thoughts.
First off, Dr. Botello, I tried really hard on the fly after your presentation tonight to match up the numbers in your presentation with the line item budget published on the website.
They don't match at all.
So you have cutting a Spanish teacher at the high school, saving 80 K in your presentation in the line item budget, it saves somewhere in the order of 36 K.
Okay. You have an art teacher saving 105 K in your presentation in the line item budget. It's saving about 85 K.
I can go through and do this on every single one of your cuts.
But my point is, is your work doesn't match, which makes it virtually impossible for anyone to understand what's going on here.
Um, I, I have a bunch of other questions, contract transportation for out of district, um, mileage reimbursement.
You've budgeted 500 K for next year.
Last year you spent 800 K the year before you spent 700 K.
Currently this year, it's sitting, I think around 270 after you budgeted originally way less than that. And then transferred a bunch, um, during fiscal year 23, when it was 700 K, you came before FinCom and had a whole discussion with them. And they asked you and Ellen, what was going on, why it went so high. And I have this clear recollection of Ellen saying, this is a one-time anomaly, never going to happen again.
We were able to get more vans.
We're all set.
And then in FY 24, it was 800 K and you haven't shown us an update as to where it is yet this year, but I really worry. It's going to be meaningfully more than the 270 you got.
And I don't know that 500 K for fiscal year 26 is sufficient.
You increased your substitute short-term substitute pay from a hundred dollars to $110.
That's a 10% increase per day.
You're budgeting the exact same amount for short-term substitutes at the high school and the middle school as you did for fiscal year 25.
You already have students spending part of their day in the auditorium because you have no short-term substitutes or you can't hire enough or they don't want to work because you're not paying them enough or whatever.
I feel like you're somehow budgeting to have even fewer.
And I don't understand it. And it's not fair to our high school students.
I understand you don't like what some people, I'll say one member of the school committee said to you during your discussion just now. But as a member of the public, I can tell you, you get enough.
You also have never presented what the current enrollment is by class and grade at each school. So the conversation you were having about what happens when you cut a first grade teacher at East and a second grade teacher at East and you were trying to like give everyone these numbers. Nobody had anything to look at.
That's never been presented.
I can tell you with every superintendent going back to Dr. Claire Jackson, which is a long way, that information was at the beginning of the budget process.
You have not given us what we need.
That makes this hearing effectively a fallacy because we don't actually have anything real to comment on.
To Avi's point that priorities always comes back higher, usually comes back like 0.2% higher.
This idea that a million and a half dollars is going to fall out of the sky and save you all is not a thing.
If you got an extra couple hundred thousand, that would be pretty miraculous.
So I would really like you all to gather together and stop with the bitching and just ask for what is actually needed.
Ensure there's a proper line item budget that lines up with a 20 minute presentation we received because those two things do not line up.
And then go forward.
Oh, and also Dan, athletics, technically not a necessity.
That doesn't mean I agree with that, but I'm telling you under law, not a necessity.
You're also your athletic costs next year are going up by like a giant amount of money from the budget. They're going to be way over 800K.
I see people like squinting at me from school committee and it makes me wonder, have any of you looked at every line item in the line item budget?
Because I did.
And your salaries for coaches are going up by almost 11%.
You know, what on earth are you doing?
Oh, and Ellen, I assume you're not taking any pay raise because you're showing yourself getting paid the exact same amount in fiscal year 26 as fiscal year 25. So even though you got over an $8,000 pay raise from fiscal year 24 to fiscal year 25, I think if the community has shown a budget that shows you getting no raise, we should be able to count on that.
One last thing, Dr. Botello, I can save you a chunk of money right off the bat.
You're scheduled to get $225,000 next year as a superintendent. The median pay for a superintendent in the state of Massachusetts is $197,000 and change.
How about you give us back $28,000 and put it towards the IA raises?
Lastly, capital outlay requests have not been voted by FinCom.
Your superintendent appears to be confused.
They were presented to FinCom, but no vote has been taken. They will be taken at a subsequent meeting.
This has been embarrassing.
Do better.
I hate saying it over and over.
Do better.
I would just ask the members of the public not curse, please, during this meeting.
Rachel Diamond.
Hi.
Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yep.
We can.
Yep, absolutely. Okay, great. I tried to turn my video too.
I appreciate seeing the line item budget.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a budget this detailed in my time here.
I'm wondering if there's a key that explains the codes of the third column where items are coded S26, L26, CTSM, things like that to help us better understand how things changed from fiscal year to fiscal year. Thank you.
Thank you.
Matt Desmaris.
Hi there.
Hi there.
Thanks again for the opportunity to speak.
I just wanted to speak to express my support for the teachers and the instructional assistants in our schools and the need to compensate them for not just a livable wage, but wages that attract and retain the most talented teachers and staff. So the children of Sharon can continue to receive some of the best public education in the state.
I was encouraged by the superintendent's priority to increasing the special education budget.
You know, it's obviously something that I'm concerned with, with a student who is affected by that.
And so I just wanted to express that to the committee.
Thank you. Thank you.
Philip King.
Philip. Oh, Philip, you're muted.
I thought I had asked to unmute here.
Okay. All right. Now you're unmuted now.
Sorry about that.
Philip King. I am a member of the finance committee, but speaking on behalf of myself, I am very troubled by this budget. Really bare bones.
The increases are all in salary. There are other costs going up. Postage has gone up. Supplies are going up. There's no increases in those budgets.
There's no long-term looking in these budgets, looking year over year.
As Ms. Crosby pointed out, that there are years things are $700,000, $800,000, and then we budget $200,000.
It's not right.
And it's wrong. And you're going to end up in the same place. You have a contract with your teachers that gives them 5%-ish raises.
You know you're not getting 5% from the community.
So every year we make cuts.
And we have to remember, these are not temporary cuts. We're going to be in the same position a year from now with the same budget problems.
We have no contract with the IAs. We have no money to pay them. It's very unfortunate.
I'm very concerned about elementary school.
Your superintendent came and made a presentation about elementary school showing that he needs $600,000 for 212 seats.
That comes out to $3,000 a seat.
But you charge $3,600.
And the reason why you do that is there are 50 seats that are either IEPs, subsidized, migrant, homeless, not sure exactly what there are.
There are other funds for those. But those aren't getting contributed towards the $600,000. Instead, you make those 160 parents pay an extra $600 to cover those costs that should be coming out of the town budget and not out of the school budget.
This budget is disgusting and needs to be fixed.
Thanks, Philip.
Laosh Kamachay.
Hi.
Hi. Can you hear me?
You sure can.
Hi. My name is Laosh Kamachay, and I'm a visual arts teacher at the Shen High School. I'm here tonight to urge you to reconsider the proposed reduction of a teaching position in the high school's art department.
This reduction decreases our staff from four to three teachers, and it will have significant negative consequences for our students.
It will lead to larger classes, and it will result in the elimination of course offerings, removing choices for our students.
The history of program cuts the Shen High School is concerning.
The elimination of theater arts classes about five years ago serves as a stark reminder that once teaching positions or programs are cut, they rarely return.
We cannot afford to repeat this pattern with visual arts. While I strongly support AP math and science courses, my own daughter benefited greatly from those robust programs at the Shen High School, you must also recognize the importance of a very rounded education.
Shen High School is a vibrant arts community with many talented students who go on to pursue their passions at prestigious institutions like RISD, Mass Art, and Lesley University, to name a few. Shen High School is a very important part of the students' education. And in general, all students benefit from the creative outlet and cognitive development offered by arts education.
Art provides a crucial balance to the demands of rigorous academic coursework.
I understand the difficult budget decisions that the committee faces. However, I implore you to prioritize the arts and find a solution that there's a quality of arts education at Shen High School.
A complete education includes the arts, and our students deserve the opportunity to explore and develop their creative potentials.
Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. All right.
The fee discussion is being tabled until we meet after priorities.
And so instead, we will move to the decision items.
I would entertain a motion to vote to approve us. Sorry.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I will entertain a motion to vote to approve the minutes of January 8th, 2025. So moved.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Second. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. Shauna.
Yes.
Julie.
Yes.
Adam.
Yes.
Dan.
Yes.
Allen.
Yes.
Miami.
Yes.
Motion carries 7-0. I'd entertain a motion to approve the minutes of January 22nd, 2025.
Yes.
Yes.
Motion carries 7-0. I'd entertain a motion to approve the minutes of January 22nd, 2025. So moved.
Do I have a second? Second.
Jeremy.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Donna. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie. Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Adam. Yes.
Dan.
Yes.
Alan.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Motion carries 7-0. The minutes for February 5th, they're not available yet. So we will table that vote. And I would entertain a motion to approve the field trip request sharing high school Spanish department trip to Spain, February 2026. So moved.
Second.
Jeremy.
Yes.
Donna.
Only if I could go with them. Yes.
Julie.
Yes.
Adam.
Yes.
Dan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan. Yes.
Alan.
Correctfully, they're not taking community volunteers. Yes.
I'm a yes. Motion carries 7-0. Are there any announcements or updates? Sean, I think you had an announcement. Yes.
I'm just pulling it up. Sorry.
Sorry.
One second.
Yes.
I'm just pulling it up. Sorry.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: One second. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. I'm just pulling it up. Sorry.
Sorry.
One second.
Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'm just pulling it up. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry. One second.
Yes.
Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry. There is an upcoming meeting hosted by the Sharon CPAC entitled Basic Rights Evaluation and Eligibility.
It will be a free virtual workshop for parents and professionals sponsored by the Federation for Children with Special Needs. It is listed for February 24th from 630 to 830.
And I believe the link will be sent out. And I'll make sure that I put that flyer in the community corner section of the district website.
That would be great. Thank you. To all the members of the community who spoke tonight.
I think I speak for the committee when I say we appreciate you. We appreciate your engagement and your honest feedback.
It's not an easy process, the budget, but thank you for being here and being part of this. To the members of the committee speaking for myself. I appreciate you all. I appreciate you sharing your honest feelings and representing the people who elected you. We're not going to all agree throughout this process. And I think if we did, there'd be something wrong with the process.
So I know it's not pretty and I know it can be tough, but I appreciate the professionalism and the willingness to engage with each other also. With that said, I would entertain a motion to adjourn.
So moved.
Jeremy.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. Donna.
Yes.
Julie.
Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Adam. Yes.
And Ellen.
Yes.
Alan.
Yes.
And I'm a yes. Motion carries seven O. Have a good night, everybody.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay, he's good.