School Committee - March 05, 2025
School Committee, 3/5/25 - Meeting Summary
Date: 3/5/2025
Type: School Committee
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1) Meeting Metadata
- Date: March 5, 2025
- Time: Evening session, exact time not specified
- Location: Sharon Public Schools School Committee meeting
- Committee Members Present: Avi Shemtov (Chair), Dan Newman (Vice Chair), Allan Motenko (Secretary), Julie Rowe, Jeremy Kay, Georgeann Lewis, Adam Shain
- Meeting Type: Regular School Committee meeting with public comment, budget discussions, fee proposals, and voting on multiple items[1][2].
2) Agenda Overview
- Extensive public comments on educational programs, inclusivity, safety, and budget concerns
- Detailed presentation and discussion of budget options including program cuts and fee structures
- Debate and voting on club and activity fee proposals for 2025-2026 school year
- Routine approvals: February 26, 2025 meeting minutes and Student Activity Fund (SAF) clubs for 2024-2025
- Announcements regarding middle school production and other school activities[1][2].
3) Major Discussions
| Topic | Avi | Alan | Julie | Jeremy | Georgeann | Adam | Dan |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FLESS (Elementary Spanish Program) | Advocated program’s value; supports option 1B (cuts FLESS but values it) | Supports option 1C (maintains FLESS despite fees); emphasizes research on benefits | Moderated; explained budget voting process; no direct stance recorded | Supports 1B; praises FLESS effectiveness; requests clarity in budgets | Highlights equitable access and special ed concerns related to FLESS | Conflicted; leans to 1B due to cost but acknowledges FLESS worth | Supports 1B; budget balance and fee minimization priority |
| Budget Options (1B vs 1C) | Supports 1B; financial strain and education quality balance | Supports 1C; wants committee unanimity | Facilitates discussion; no direct vote stance recorded other than vote result | Prefers 1B for balance; requests transparency | Emphasizes PE, special ed importance; implicitly supports balanced cuts | Leans 1B; prioritizes cost savings | Makes motion for 1B; unanimous committee unity emphasized |
| Physical Education and Specials | Supports maintaining two PE periods weekly in elementary | References PE; no direct stance on changes recorded | No direct contribution on PE recorded | Supports preserving gym and library time | Strong advocate for PE importance | Supports maintaining two PE periods | Supports preserving PE |
| Fee Proposals (Clubs, Athletics, Transportation) | Asked clarifying questions on fees; voted yes | Supports fee structure; voted yes | No direct contribution recorded | Clarified fee questions; voted yes | Voted no on fee approval motion | Asked about scholarships; voted yes | Moved and led fee votes; voted yes |
| Community Inclusivity and Safety | Emphasized respect in negotiation processes; supported unity | Advocated for community representation of views | Moderated; trusted student voices | Emphasized social benefits of programs | Raised special ed and equity concerns | Acknowledged need for data-driven decisions | Emphasized broad community opinion representation |
4) Votes
| Item | Motion Description | Result | Voting Record |
|---|---|---|---|
| Budget Option Selection | Approve Budget Option 1B (cuts FLESS, avoids fee increases) | Passed 6-1 | Yes: Avi, Dan, Jeremy, Georgeann, Adam, Julie*; No: Alan (for 1C) (*Julie: no direct recorded vote; inferred yes) |
| Club and Activity Fees | Approve fee structure: $100 per tier one activity (max $200), unlimited tier two clubs included | Passed 5-2 | Yes: Dan, Alan, Avi, Jeremy, Adam; No: Georgeann (Shauna?), Jeremy (vote ambiguous) |
| Meeting Minutes Approval | Approve minutes from February 26, 2025 | Unanimous consent | All present members |
| SAF Clubs Approval | Approve new Student Activity Fund clubs for 2024-25 | Unanimous consent | All present members |
5) Presentations
- Public comment session with diverse stakeholders detailing:
- Support for FLESS literacy and language skills, cautioning against educator cuts
- Advocacy for free full-day kindergarten and concerns over imposed fees
- Importance of PE and Special Education programs for student wellbeing
- Views on DEI policies and community safety issues
- Budget overview by Chair and Vice Chair, highlighting trade-offs between options 1B and 1C
- Fee structure detailed: tiered club fees and caps to balance participation and budget needs[1][2].
6) Action Items
- Adopt Budget Option 1B for presentation to Finance Committee with contingency cuts
- Implement club and activity fee structure for the 2025-2026 school year, including scholarship provisions to ensure equitable access
- Monitor and clarify enrollment, program impact, and budget data as requested by members
- Continue community engagement on program priorities and fee impacts
- Proceed with approval and implementation of new SAF clubs for next school year[1][2].
7) Deferred Items
- Removal of kindergarten fees no longer under consideration (fee removal off table)
- Further discussion on fee structure subject to ongoing administrative and student feedback (pending Town Meeting in May)
- Additional budget refinements and contingency planning contingent on Town Meeting outcomes[1][2].
8) Appendices
| Committee Member | Role | Vote on Budget 1B | Vote on Fees | Key Statements |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Avi Shemtov | Chair | Yes | Yes | “It’s a reality that we cannot afford all the things that we’ve traditionally had.” |
| Allan Motenko (Alan) | Secretary | No (For 1C) | Yes | “We should encourage a unanimous vote… we’ve made the best of a really difficult situation.” |
| Julie Rowe | Vice Chair | Yes (inferred) | No direct contribution recorded | Moderated and clarified budget voting order |
| Jeremy Kay | Member | Yes | Yes (vote ambiguous in transcript) | “I was kind of blown away… 99% delivered in Spanish…” |
| Georgeann Lewis (Shauna?) | Member | Yes | No | Emphasized PE, special ed, and voted no on fees |
| Adam Shain | Member | Yes | Yes | Asked about scholarships; “value FLESS but must confront reality of cuts.” |
| Dan Newman | Vice Chair | Yes | Yes | “Cuts in the 1B budget look much cleaner… reducing those already astronomical fees.” |
Fee Structure Summary:
- $100 per tier one club/activity (drama, music, etc.)
- $200 maximum fee cap per student on tier one activities
- Unlimited participation in tier two clubs included with tier one fee
- Option: $50 fee for unlimited tier two clubs only
- Scholarships available to prevent exclusion due to inability to pay
- Yearbook categorized as a club at middle school; no fee if high school elective[2].
Public Comment Representative Quotes:
- Pam Riteki on FLESS: “The talents of the elementary Spanish team are unique… The quality of education is the result of quality educators.”
- Alan on budget unanimity: “We should encourage a unanimous vote… We’ve made the best of a really difficult situation.”
- Jeremy on FLESS impact: “I was kind of blown away… 99% delivered in Spanish, both at fourth grade and kindergarten.”
- Dan on fees: “Cuts in the 1B budget look much cleaner… reducing those already astronomical fees.”
- Avi on budget reality: “It’s a reality that we cannot afford all the things that we’ve traditionally had.”[1][2].
This comprehensive summary captures the significant developments and member perspectives from the March 5, 2025 Sharon School Committee meeting, integrating public input, budget deliberations, fee proposals, and voting outcomes.
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Transcript and Video
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the March 5th, 2025 School Committee meeting.
This open meeting of the Sharon School Committee is being conducted remotely, consisted with an act relative to extending certain COVID-19 measures adopted during the state of emergency signed into law on June 16th, 2021, as amended and extended through March of 2025.
These provisions allow public bodies to meet remotely as long as reasonable public access is afforded so the public can follow along with the deliberations of this meeting.
For this meeting, we are convening by Zoom, and members of the public have been provided with access information.
All votes will be conducted during roll call.
And as I usually do, I encourage you to please turn your cameras on because otherwise you may not appear on screen, your name may not appear on screen.
And it would be very helpful to share in TV if you could do that.
We are going to start with public comments.
The public comments will be for two minutes each. And right before I call some names, I think Adam wanted to say something very quickly.
Adam Chapnick, MD, Thank you. I just wanted to apologize again. And just note for health reasons, I'm going to be again, camera off. But rest assured, I am here.
And thank you. Pamela Riteki.
Oh, sorry.
Hold on.
Trying to.
Okay.
Do you get it?
Okay.
Thank you.
Pamela Riteki, MD, Yes. Hi. So my name is Pam Riteki.
And I'd like to speak on behalf of the elementary Spanish team. The elementary Spanish program has been scrutinized more than any other academic program in Sharon.
The formatting of the program keeps changing.
And despite this, students continue to show growth in their Spanish language skills.
Within each Spanish lesson, students are building their foundation also in general literacy.
The elementary Spanish program addresses skills such as sentence structure, identification of story components, use of transition words, comprehension of words and context.
In addition, receptive language is developed before expressive language.
And these skills reflect more than merely memorizing a few words.
No one looks at a two-year-old child and thinks, oh, they can only say a few words. This might be a waste of time. Perhaps we should stop teaching them. Individual student output is not necessarily the basis for informal assessment of academic success.
Under Massachusetts General Law, Title 12, Chapter 69, Section 1D. World languages are considered a core subject, meaning world language has the same status as math, science and tech, history and social science, English and the arts. It also reads that the standards shall cover grades kindergarten through 12. Aside from the legal implications of removing elementary Spanish, we aren't simply discussing removing content from our curriculum.
We are discussing removing educators.
Why are we removing the human element of the quality of educators that we have been fortunate enough to retain? The talents of the elementary Spanish team are unique and one of those talents is being consistently devalued in connection with the removal of this program and yet still showing up to teach the children of Sharon. Please remember that the quality of the education in Sharon is a direct result of the quality of the educators.
Not simply the name of a program, but a price tag.
Thank you so much, Mr. Techie.
Katie Conroy.
Hello, my name is Katie Conroy. I believe our children have a fundamental right to free full-day kindergarten.
Our town superintendent and school committee all agreed with this fundamental right two years ago and then changed their minds the following year. Sharon is one of only 14 towns in Massachusetts who still charges for full-day kindergarten.
We are going in the wrong direction.
During the last school committee meeting, there was a public discussion item on the agenda to discuss free full-day kindergarten.
To say I am extremely disappointed in the school committee is an understatement.
This discussion was scheduled a week ago and pushed off until this past Monday.
On Monday, there was a longer discussion for Jeremy's motion to remove the agenda item for kindergarten than an actual conversation about free full-day kindergarten.
All seven school committee members spoke during Jeremy's motion, but only two school committee members spoke during the actual conversation about free full-day kindergarten at the end of the meeting. There was no discussion.
This was insulting to me as the person who requested this discussion and the town as a whole with how the school committee treats residents. I think that the school committee owes it to our community to actually have a discussion about free full-day kindergarten as they said they would.
One suggestion that Avi made after making it clear that the school committee has no accountability for their actions to the town and can do as they please is that if the town wants free full-day kindergarten, they can go to town meeting and ask for more money. This is an absurd suggestion considering that the town already gave the school committee the money to fund free full-day kindergarten and the school committee chose to not use the money as it was intended. Why would the town trust the school committee with additional funds at this point? If I give my five-year-old $25 for a specific toy that he has been eyeing and then he decides to spend that $25 on a day out somewhere with his friends, when he asks for another $25 for the toy he still wants, the answer is no. He chose to spend his money on something else and that is all the money our family budget had for the toy he wanted. There are consequences for our actions, something our children learn in kindergarten.
Since the fee discussion in the budget is still ongoing tonight, it is the perfect opportunity for the entire school committee to actually have a discussion about free full-day kindergarten as they plan to at the last two meetings.
If the fee cannot be completely removed for this year, there should be a discussion on a reduction for the full-day kindergarten fee along with the other fees being discussed.
Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Conroy.
Ms. Fogoda.
Hi, thanks. I'm going to apologize.
I'm at my daughter's skating tryouts right now, but I did want to just take a minute and speak from the cuff. Last time I kind of got zapped by trying to say too much. As I said before, I sympathize and I understand the challenge in trying to put together this budget.
It's not the first time this has come up. I've watched this go on now for over 10 years, very closely.
And each year plus has come up almost each year.
I think there've been since Dr. Patello arrived, I think there might be two or three years where it hasn't been such a focal point. But as somebody else mentioned earlier, this program, this academic program seems to be more scrutinized than any other program that we have. It hasn't been given a fair chance.
And it has been shown to have benefits.
I think if there's a problem with the program, it's been that it hasn't been demonstrated perhaps to the school committee or to the public, the benefits that have been involved with the program.
That I think is the flaw, not that the program is flawed.
The benefits to children of foreign language at a young age cannot be replaced later on. So I've heard discussions about our word language options later on in school.
It's not the same.
The brain development that is impacted, the exposure and the impact and the influence at a young age cannot be replaced.
I want to plead with the committee that while you're making difficult decisions, and I get it, that you preserve this program in some form so that we can build on it later on in better times.
If you decimate it now, I'm confident we will never see anything like this in Sharon for a very, very, very long time. Thank you.
Thank you, Valerie.
Hold on.
Sorry.
Zena Frost.
Hi. I was just thinking creatively about how we could bridge the gap between the losses here, given our financial crisis. And I was thinking about grants. So I posted on Sharon What's Up and Everything, Sharon, asking if there was anyone among us who had experienced grant writing and could basically let me know whether or not grants were allowable.
It was in that stream of communications that I learned two things.
I learned that we did not apply for a grant relevant to ELA curriculum, which could have been to the tune of $200,000.
And I also learned that someone with grant writing experience who has been awarded about $400 million throughout her career had offered the district to write grants, but her offer wasn't accepted.
So I just want to, one, encourage the district to be really creative about, you know, finding other sources for funding, but also accept these amazing offers that could really help us through this time. Thank you.
Thank you, Zia. Nat. Georgian Lewis.
Thank you. I just want to start by validating that this is not to the slight against humans or at the expense of picking one staff or subject over another.
I want to speak to phys ed and phys ed being cut and how detrimental that is to student wellness.
Phys ed is considered a crucial part of a well-rounded education.
It's not just physical fitness. It promotes the development of social, emotional, and cognitive skills through active learning.
There are DESE frameworks for it. There are not for FLESS.
They provide pathways.
They're designed to provide pathways that enhance student mental, emotional, and physical health while recognizing the critical role of school climate and outcomes.
Standards include decision-making, problem-solving, self-management, goal-setting, social awareness, relationship, communication, and there's four more I'm going to skip.
Physical ed equals cognitive achievement, mental and emotional health, and physical fitness to many of the speakers' points. We're all on the same page. Cognitive functions related to attention, memory, and memory facilitate learning, and these functions in single sessions as well as long-term participation and physical activity are directly linked and correlated to cognitive performance and brain health.
Although we can talk about the social benefits of FLESS and that kids enjoy it, and I don't think anybody's debating that. I'm certainly not debating how wonderful our teachers are and our educators are and how committed they are. Unfortunately, only 20% of elementary schools in the U.S. offer this service at this grade level. So data supporting acquisition of foreign language fees is easier for young people. I don't think anyone's going to debate that. However, in these times, we have to make decisions that are best for all kids. I would also contemplate put out there that FLESS does not service all kids equitably.
Special ed students, specifically those with learning specific learning disabilities like dyslexia and dysgraphia, cannot access services like FLESS. It is actually contraindicated as they're struggling to decode a primary language, and then we force them to try to do a second language, and that goes directly against their treatment.
And lastly, thank you for your extra seconds.
Special education and student social emotional health have never been discussed at school committee when we talk about reductions.
And I'm just asking you. I'm going to go over.
Got to keep it moving.
Okay.
Tobin Asklar, please go.
Hi. I'm Tobin Asklar. My wife and I have three kids in the Sharon Public Schools.
I want to thank Dr. Patello for his email reassuring all students are safe and belong in Sharon Public Schools, despite executive orders attempting to target some of our most marginalized students.
I want to draw attention to Governor Healy and Attorney General Campbell's guidance affirming equal access to education in Massachusetts, released on February 27th, and also posted on the Massachusetts Association of School Committees website.
The release says, and I quote, this joint guidance reaffirms that these recent federal actions do not prohibit diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts in admissions and access to higher education or other educational settings.
It also includes steps that K-12 schools can take to set their students up for success.
Schools and higher education institutions can continue to take affirmative steps within the law to create and maintain a positive school climate where all students feel safe, supported, respected, and ready to learn. This includes reviewing current practices to ensure they comply with all applicable anti-discrimination, anti-bullying, and civil rights laws.
Mass Education Secretary Patrick Toiler goes on to say, this country has long fought for all students to have equal access to a public education.
Today's joint guidance reaffirms that Massachusetts will continue to acknowledge and address historical and persistent gaps in student access and achievement, including Black and Brown students, students with disabilities, low-income students, LGBTQ plus students, and other marginalized student populations.
The release continues practices and programming that promote diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility provide important educational and social benefits for students.
They foster learning environments that provide all students an equal opportunity to learn and better prepare students to work in our diverse country and participate in our multicultural or multiracial democracy.
They are essential to promoting fair treatment and eliminating stigmatization, unquote.
I encourage everyone to read the Governor and AG's newest guidance and also September 2024 guidance on schools' legal obligations to prevent and address hate and bias incidents.
Thank you. Thank you, Tobin.
And next up, we have Casey McLaughlin.
Did you get it?
Hi, can you hear me?
Yeah. Okay. So I just wanted to first say that I'm grateful that we get to battle it out on social media, and I commend the SC members who did speak out and engage with the community.
It's really important for both transparency and the democratic process.
As for the budget, I believe that the full day kindergarten is the easiest cut to make. We've all coughed up the three grand for multiple children, and it's nice but not necessary.
Next is the FLES program.
There are great arguments on both sides, and it sucks to lose those teachers, but $290,000 for our littles to learn Spanish when the program has had so many challenges is just not worth it. I don't want athletic fees to go up while also cutting PE. I agree with Georgianne.
We have way too many fat and unhealthy kids, and they need PE. We need to cut administrators before teachers, and I'd also like more transparency going forward. That's been a common theme. It wasn't clear to me how much we're getting reimbursed from the state for the migrant education we've been subsidizing, or even a real cost breakdown for the METCO program.
It really sounds like we need DOGE, and I'm not going to get into the bathroom argument, but I do stand with Jay O'Brien 100% and think that the way he's been dragged through the mud is shameful.
You may not like reality, but any signage flags or any kind of propaganda promoting a divisive ideology that even presents in any way as indoctrination or propaganda will absolutely be reported.
There is a portal now, a parent portal set up by the Department of Education, and you better believe that any school not in compliance with federal mandates will lose funding, and we certainly don't want that to happen.
Thank you.
Thank you, Casey.
Next is Jay O'Brien.
So let me get this straight.
People think it's okay to listen to the governor, but not to obey a president's executive orders. As Casey alluded to, the Department of Education launched a new website, n-d-e-i.ed.gov.
This website is committed to ensuring that all students have access to a meaningful learning environment free of divisive ideologies and indoctrination.
The website is meant to find out which schools are not following President Trump's executive order on eliminating indoctrination in grades K through 12. So far, myself along with 17 or 18 others have already filled out the form. This site is an outlet for students, parents, teachers, and the broader community to report issues addressed, including the all-gender bathroom signs at elementary schools.
Now, I'd like to clear up some misinformation regarding this issue, and if you don't have kids in the elementary school system, I don't want to hear from you on this. Number one, it's been said that some girls are menstruating.
I'm talking about elementary school-age girls. Number two, this bathroom has not been used by any child in three years. The sign is there merely to confuse young minds. Number three, no airline has the words all-gender on any of their bathroom signs. They merely depict a man and a woman. Number four, executive orders are meant to be enforced, or the federal government can and should withhold funds, just as President Trump has stated he will do with other states. For a school system that is already over budget, you might want to think this one through. Even Governor Healy said that the state stands to lose federal funding.
Replace the signs, as I have politely asked, and do not put up the flags in June. The American people overwhelmingly voted for this. Patello's email on Friday was offensive, suggesting I was being discriminatory.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
President Trump ran on this. He campaigned on this. You can't win the argument and know that you're out of step with public opinion, so you bullied Patello into saying- Good. Mr. O'Brien, I'm sorry. I've got to keep time tonight.
And that was two minutes.
Alexandria Belcher.
Hello.
I'm here to talk about my son, Matthew, and what's been going on with Matthew.
I'm here to bring an urgent matter to light.
Matthew is my son.
He's six years old. He hasn't been in school for a month now. Sharon Public Schools, specifically the cottage school, lost my son. And he's at home.
No services, nothing like that.
DCF, at this point, has found the cottage school negligent and guilty of child endangerment.
And, you know, he was lost.
Kevin Madden said he opened a latch to the gate from cottage school.
And when I went to go see the gate, the fence was actually broken in two places, and the gate itself has no latch to it. At this point, there's no resolve.
The DSE, the D-E-S-E is now investigating the entire district based on what I have brought to their attention and other parents' complaints as well. You guys are violating my child's civil rights of a disabled person.
And these are the next, I have about 10 other ways that you guys have failed my son. The first one is failure to provide consistent 101 aid support.
Matthew's IEP requires a 101 paraprofessional yet. Nearly for five weeks, he had been without one. Failure to follow his behavioral IEP plan. Staff did not properly implement the BIP, leading to increased behavioral challenges and limits to access to his education.
Failure to provide a safe learning environment.
The school's negligence led to Matthew's being lost while under their care, what DCF found them, again, responsible for. Failure to provide compensatory services.
Matthew has been out of school for a month. And prior to that, based on his IEP, his report cards, he's failing and he's very capable of being in an integrated classroom.
Failure to repair the fence in a timely manner.
Finish your sentence, please.
Yep. Failure to repair the fence in a timely manner.
And all I'm asking from the committee is to help bring some light to this. My son cannot be out of school anymore than he already is. He's regressing and he needs help. And it starts with this. Okay. Thank you so much, Ms. Belcher.
Yeah.
Okay.
Next is Ms.
Murray.
Did you get it?
Okay.
Hi, my name is Heather Murray and I have been an instructional assistant at the high school for the past nine years. I have been a silent representative on the IA negotiations and wanted to provide the community with an update of how things are going. On February 6th and 7th, the IA negotiations team requested that the school committee provide three pieces of important information to aid in our negotiations.
However, on 2-27, they sent only one piece of information minutes before the session started.
Therefore, the school committee essentially came to the meeting unprepared and forced us to bargain without that critical information.
When the information was given, it was both incomplete and inaccurate.
Does that sound right and just? I don't think so. This is akin to what the association has had to bargain with for years and it is time the community knows what's been going on. This is just another example of the school committee spending the town's money by not negotiating productively with the instructional assistants.
We came prepared and presented the school committee with two possible counteroffers.
They rejected them both, offering us only a minuscule change of dropping step three on the pay scale in year three of the contract.
Additionally, as we stayed late into the night, we were told that nothing could be agreed to because a school committee member had already left the meeting.
We cleared our schedules and gave up family time with our loved ones, showed up, and expected to negotiate until we settled.
Why was that expectation not reciprocated or adhered to by the school committee?
There was no hard stop identified at the beginning of the session and yet he just left. Does that seem right or just? No.
The district is frivolously spending money to bring in temporary subcontracted IAs to work in unfilled IA positions.
Do our most vulnerable learners deserve temporary hires?
No. Please finish your sentence.
I urge the citizens of this town to demand the school committee and the town officials to do better to fully fund our schools so we can settle a fair contract and to put an end to this nonsense.
Okay.
Thank you, Ms. Murray.
I now have, I'm so sorry, I don't know how to say your name, Bob F.O. F.O. Smith Tobio.
I'm so sorry if I said that wrong.
Yeah, no problem.
It's Bob F. Smith Tobio.
Thank you. Yeah, I guess I wanted to say a couple of things.
I feel like I want to reply to Jay's point about the bathroom signage and I want to just, I know it's an emotional issue and a political issue, but I think we just need to keep in mind that these are our children we're talking about. And if a sign on a bathroom that you say is not being used frequently is making even one kid feel safe, I think that's something that we should get behind.
And I don't care what the sign says, but I think we need to make sure that if kids are feeling unsafe, we address it. And if that sign made even one kid feel safe, I think it's the type of thing I'd like to see our town follow up and support.
I understand there's laws changing all the time, but in the meantime, I think we should just always put the children first, especially the kids who are vulnerable.
And I guess that's it. I'll give you the time back. Thank you very much. Thank you so much.
Okay.
And next, Sarah Kiara Mita.
Is that close?
Close.
Kara Mita. Thank you. Thank you again for the opportunity to speak tonight.
I have two kids at East Elementary.
One will be entering second grade next year. And I'm here again just to express my concerns with the proposal of eliminating teachers at East and the resulting increase in class size. Again, appreciate the difficult decisions and understand that that.
Some trade-offs need to be made.
But just with elementary-aged kids at home, we can see firsthand the benefit of having better relationships with our teachers and the close that the smaller class size offer. Obviously, there's numerous benefits to this. Individualized education, stronger relationships between the students and the teachers, which we can see more engaged learning, improved academic performance, and also community development.
So the list actually goes on of the benefits with smaller class size, which I'm sure all of you know.
But it's been mentioned, it's worth amplifying that with the larger class size, you really lose that individualized attention that each student receive.
And that has impacts on students really along the continuum of academic abilities and needs. So again, urge reconsideration of this. And then finally, I would be remiss if not to also offer my appreciation for the message that Dr. Patello issued in support of fostering a safe, supportive, and inclusive learning environment for all of our students.
That's free from discrimination and bigotry.
We owe it to our students to really provide them with a safe learning environment and hopefully that they feel the support from this community.
So again, thank you for that message.
And hopefully we can continue to foster that inclusive environment in our community.
Thanks.
Thank you very much.
And now, Miss Judy Crosby.
Thanks.
I would like to start by sharing the last two thoughts that Georgianne was cut off. They are that special education and students' social and emotional health needs must be considered when discussing reductions in workforce and cutting content areas. Special education and social emotional learning have never been discussed by this school committee in relation to the budget.
And she asks that this changes, and I echo that. Along the same lines, while people are praising Dr. Patello for his extraordinarily belated, strong-armed message to the community saying, you know, what should have been said on January 21st, I'd like to note that both Dr. Patello and Dr. Jocelyn are not living up to what that message says. They were supposed to meet with Matthew's mother today to come up with a plan to return him to school.
And they canceled because they said they were not prepared.
Now, I get that it's hard to chew gum and walk at the same time, but I expect a superintendent who has paid $216,000 and an assistant superintendent who's paid $160,000 to get their acts together and prioritize getting this little boy back to school with a safe and appropriate learning environment.
There's no excuse.
This last-minute stuff, I mean, you know, the IA is talking about asking for information and not getting it. I've had that experience.
I filed a public records request with Dr. Jocelyn.
It took him 38 business days to get me the most basic financial information on the district, which, by the way, is completely illegal.
And when he did finally send it, he included a letter, and it was also incomplete, saying that his job was too hard and he couldn't possibly meet the legal requirements associated with it. Y'all need to do better.
Dr. Patello, you need to do better. Jocelyn, you need to do better. And this school committee really needs to fix itself.
Thank you.
Ms.
Judy Weider.
Hi, thanks for letting me speak.
Oh, so much about FLESS and all these other programs.
And I have to say, like, I know that the job you have in front of you right now is really, really tough. I do have a child who was actually part of FLESS and I think was one of the first kids who got to go through it. And I wish that I could say that it looks like the data shows we have to keep it. But right now, seeing the other things we have to bounce against it, like we might lose a teacher that teaches very popular arts programs at the high school or a teacher that teaches science programs at the high school.
Like, we have to be able to maintain so these kids can actually get into college. So I'm a little bit worried about, like, how do we manage that? And I would rather give up something that is really a nice to have and keep the things that are really required.
Additionally, I would like to thank Tobin and Bob and Sarah for what they have said.
And I would also like to read very briefly from a letter that was issued by DESE on February 7th and then updated on February 11th of this year that reminds everyone that the work that we're doing is firmly grounded in MGL Chapter 76 Section 5, which prohibits discrimination in public schools based on race, color, sex, gender identity, religion, national origin, or sexual orientation, and the Massachusetts Constitution Article 106, 14, there we go, 114, sorry, reading Roman numerals, of which prohibits discrimination based on disability.
Massachusetts schools remain responsible for providing a safe and supportive learning environment for all students, and this responsibility under state law is not impacted by recent executive orders at the federal level. I would also like to note executive orders are not in fact laws, no matter how much some folks wish that they would be. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Wader.
We have two more people, so I won't accept anybody after the two more people.
So, Lori Davis.
Hi. So, I would like to thank some of the speakers that came before me too and piggyback off their statements.
Bob, Sarah, Tobin, and Judy, I really want to thank what you had to say tonight.
I also want to thank Dr. Patello for his letter that he sent out last week.
I would like to remind everyone yet again that executive orders are not laws.
And as of February 21st of this year, a federal district court in the District of Maryland has blocked President Trump's enforcing a majority of executive orders that are related or eliminating DEI, specifically stating that it violated constitutional law that we see grounded in both the Civil Rights Amendment that was passed in 1964, as well as the 14th Amendment, which was guaranteeing life, liberty, and or property through due process of law, law, and the Civil Rights Amendment, obviously protecting any form of discrimination, protecting against any form of discrimination based on ableism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, as well as racism.
I think it's really important that we remember the tenets of what education is for. I think it's really important for us to remember who we are here for, which are for students, all students, regardless of where they are identifying or where their ethnic background is or what their first language is or where what special needs they have.
Our students need to come first.
And I look forward to future challenges against these executive orders.
I suggest we go back and remember from our elementary days, Schoolhouse Rock told us exactly how a bill becomes a law and an executive order is not it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Okay.
And our final speaker, this public commenter is Wendy McArthur.
Hi. I just wanted to comment that there's a lot of talk from the community, the school committee, as well as the superintendent about getting rid of jobs that they do not understand.
On Monday, there was a conversation about possibly putting on the back hold or maybe the high school librarian, the middle school librarian who is a doctor who has done amazing work, all of our great elementary school libraries.
And the SC was saying, oh, how fun it is that kids love going to the library to get books. Isn't it great? They get to bring books home and read it with our families.
Well, yes, you know, students absolutely love coming to the library. They get to check out books, they get to take them home. But it's so much more than that. In today's world where misinformation spreads rapidly, even on these meetings, where fake news, harmful social media trends, online bullying, and plagiarism are ever threats, library time is not just a luxury.
It is a necessity.
This is where students learn how to navigate the digital landscape safely and responsibly.
It's called media literacy.
They are not just a one-time experience or a single-year curriculum.
Digital literacy is an ongoing process building upon itself year after year. Without it, our students are left vulnerable to the dangers of an online world they are immersed in daily. By investing in our library programs, we are equipping students with the tools they need to become critical thinkers, responsible digital citizens, and informed consumers of media. It isn't just about fostering a love for reading, which is amazing.
It's also about preparing students for the realities of our world.
So next time you consider removing anybody from the school, any teacher, any curriculum from the school, take the time to learn what they actually do, please. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Wendy.
And thanks to all of our speakers.
We're trying to move this along because we want to make sure we have thorough discussions this evening.
So I'm going to, oh, Avi. Yeah, Julie, if you don't mind, can I just clarify one thing just for my fellow committee members about the IE negotiation?
So I do just want the rest of the committee to know, since you all know that I sit on the negotiation team and the person who spoke earlier did say he, I think it would be pretty clear and obvious that I was the person who left that meeting. I just want everyone on the committee to know that that's a mediation session.
The state mediator had told us in advance of scheduling that session that actually only our council had to be present.
I was not scheduled to be at that meeting for a personal conflict.
I was able to reorganize my schedule and be there. I had let the mediator know that I personally had a hard stop, although we did not set a hard stop for that. And they were very clear that a deal could still be done without my presence and actually asked if somebody wanted to ask me a question was I reach over by phone, which I was. So it was no disrespect intended to anybody that I left. And again, the state mediator had been clear that our presence wasn't required in the first place, but I was present for something like two and a half hours.
And I was glad to be present because I think that's important work, but I don't want anyone on the committee wondering if I chose to leave or left for any reason other than I had a pre-scheduled coaching engagement.
So just want folks to know that. Thank you. Thank you, Avi. And Shauna, can you do the correspondence, please?
Sure can. Give me a second.
Oh, where did I put it?
Sorry, one second. I opened it. All right.
The school committee has received 34 pieces of correspondence between February 26, 2025 at 9am and March 5th, 2025 at 9am. A large amount of correspondence continues to provide impact and feed input and feedback into the FY26 budget development process.
Themes from these letters included concerns about potential cuts at the elementary schools and the impact that the cuts may have on the one-class sizes. The need to maintain low class sizes in the early years of education is seen as vitally important to student success.
Support to maintain a robust specials music, art, PE library offering at the elementary school level. There was a variety of feedback concerning the FLESS program at the elementary schools.
Several community members supported maintaining the FLESS program, either in its current structure or the structure proposed by Dr. Patelow in his budget presentation.
The FLESS teachers invited members of the school committee to visit their classrooms to obtain a better understanding of the program and its benefits.
Parents who wrote to express their concerns regarding the potential cuts of staff positions at Sharon High School. There was a focus on the cuts that may impact offerings within the sciences or the AP classes and an emphasis in our ability to continue to provide diverse offerings, including the arts for our students.
Suggestions were made to consider alternative cuts, particularly those that would not impact frontline teachers and classrooms.
These suggested including not replacing retirees, reducing administrative costs such as DEI, participating in school choice, and charging for space rentals, etc.
There was concern across the community regarding the proposed reduction of staff at the Sharon Middle School.
And its impact on class size, how teachers would be able to have one-on-one interactions with the students, and how this change may affect math instruction.
We received information from educators that explained constraints of split teams, particularly related to scheduling, which results in limited common planning time, access to school counselors, and potential challenges of special education support.
We received several letters to support the importance of an instrumental music program at elementary schools. A parent wrote to express their concern regarding the cost of full-day kindergarten program. We received an email from an educator that provided a comprehensive comparison of the curriculum coordinator versus department head model, and a separate email that also outlined the course selection process in relationship to the budget process and need to reduce educators at Sharon High School.
We received support for the proposal to introduce the physical education waiver process at Sharon High School this year, whereby students could have alternatives to meeting the PE requirement in grades 11 and 12. So, community members expressed concerns about the possible increase of fees, particularly athletic fees, and encouraged the school committee to consider the impact of said increased fees on students, and to ensure that scholarship opportunities be significant enough to allow access to the athletic programs for students.
Sorry.
There was a suggestion to consider a tiered approach to athletic fees. Finally, a concern was raised about possibly charging a fee for clubs or activities that are solely organized to support worthy causes, such as shelters, medical research, etc., via fundraising.
In many cases, the clubs at SHS are also supported via PTSO grants.
We received the March edition of the SHS Library newsletter.
We received a request to ensure consistency in asking meeting attendees to ensure that their cameras are turned on during the meeting.
We received a letter that asked for a breakdown of the costs of the $600,000 from the revolving account that supports full-day kindergarten.
A parent wrote to express their concerns that the district is not complying with federal mandates and encouraged the district to remove all DEI positions, not allowing the flying of the trans flag during Pride Month in June, removing a particular bathroom sign at Cottage, and to request that the district respect the Department of Education's final mission.
There was some community, there was some feedback on the community-wide message sent out by Dr. Botello, which re-emphasized the district's focus on supporting the needs of all students, particularly the LGBTQ plus community.
A few community members expressed their dissatisfaction with the memo, and we heard from one community member who did not receive the communication in a timely fashion.
The Black Student Union at Sharon High School reached out to thank school committee members who attended their assembly on Thursday, February 27, 2025. A community member wrote to share a list of resources and suggestions to help the district support the Muslim students.
Finally, we received a follow-up email from the Sharon Pluralism Network that provided a recap of the meeting and shared resources and planned next steps. Okay, thank you, Shauna.
And now it is time for our student representative.
So, Brendan, I'm going to unmute you. Great.
Thank you, Julie.
I just want to start off by saying, you know, thank you to everyone who's coming here. You know, 140 participants, and I think it's really important to have these sort of meetings in such polarized and divisive times.
So thank you.
And second, I have the update for this week.
Eagles continue to do amazing things.
For Quiz Bowl, two students were selected for the SCDC Quiz Bowl. And this is because advisors looked at their test scores, performance at districts, and a Quiz Bowl-style Kahoot.
Our members are paired up with another school to compete in the Quiz Bowl tournament.
And our team took Sharon all the way to finals.
They conducted themselves with poise and control in a fast-moving competition.
But unfortunately, only the top team is eligible for ICDC.
Anyways, congratulations to Ari Grossman and Josh Binder.
DECA was another huge success for Sharon this past weekend at States.
In individual roleplay, the following students had great success.
Henry Chen in third place, Safitha Srinivasan in fourth place, Zoe Guo in fifth place, Shrika Balapomala in second place, and Caitlin Oh in fifth place.
The Eagles soared in the first-year members division with Anesha Sharma in first place, Anya Yaralagada in fourth place.
And in team roleplay, the following students did very well. Omar Kanachankodi and Soham Kulkarni in third place, Newshahir and Andrew Vo in seventh place, Yeshika Korada and Namida Nayudu in seventh place.
And in written events, Neil Duda, Willem Guo and Neil Shah are in fifth place, while Mehir Kolkarni and Arush Raj earned third place.
And special shout-outs to our other finalists who also placed in the top 12 of their respective event. Ethan Sparacino, Grace Chen, Sophie Hu, Arna Kant and Emma Liu, Kovum Supal, Dahlia Ellsworth, and Sasha Nirenberg.
Speech and Debate participated in three tournaments this past weekend, two virtual events during which Andrew Xing advanced to final rounds, and at Shrewsbury High School, the speech team brought home some big awards. Marcus Myers and Naseeba Lukulova each placed in the top five for two different speech events, and Ashur Amjad advanced to semifinals in his event.
Speech and Debate continues to march towards states at the end of the month.
The mock trial team competed on Sunday at the Mass Bar Mock Trial State Tournament at Clark University, facing off against the other 27 regional winners across Massachusetts.
The team emerged victorious after two trials that tested both their plaintiff and defense cases.
These wins have placed the team in the Elite Eight level of competition and given them the honor of competing at the John Moakley Courthouse in Boston next Thursday.
They haven't made it this far in four years. Please be sure to wish the Legal Eagles some luck. Congratulations to the History Bowl team for semifinaling at the New England District Tournament in situate.
They're qualified for nationals in DC. Kudos to the participants.
Our math team Eagles head off to playoffs as well. Currently, Rohith Raghavan is the highest scoring senior and Luka Pilano is the highest scoring for freshmen.
Go Eagles!
Music in our Schools Month is an annual celebration in March that highlights the importance of music education in schools.
It aims to raise awareness about the positive impact music has on students' academic and personal development.
Our music students will be participating in social media, trivia, and daily announcements.
Additionally, next Friday, Sharon High will be hosting 300 music students from 30 schools during the day for joint practices and performances for the Senior Semse Music Festival.
Additionally, the Triumph Music's Honor Society will be hosting Musicianship Week from March 24th to March 28th. And please stay tuned for a packed music event month of April, including Battle of the Bands.
Student Council held an amazing blood drive last Friday.
And thank you to Chairman Julie Rowe, to parents and community members who donated, and to our student donors, many of whom donated for the first time. Student Council is planning an upcoming Spirit Week, organizing the Spring Pep Rally, and leading policy discussions to educate our peers about important topics such as the school budget.
And for Theatre, although our theatre team did not advance to the Massachusetts Theatre Guild Festival competition, their performance was nothing less than stellar amidst some serious competition.
Thank you to the team for an amazing performance.
And lastly, thank you for allowing us to share our Eagle News. Please follow us on Instagram at Sharon.Hi.Eagles.
And be sure to check out our amazing school newspaper at SHSTalent.com.
Thank you.
Thank you, Brendan.
And I have a subscription to the Talon.
And as I have said many times, it's the only newspaper I really trust.
And congratulations to all of our students for their many successes.
Okay. Thank you. Okay.
Now, moving right along.
We are going to do superintendent updates and a review of the tech membership.
And then after that, we will go into the budget discussion.
So, Peter.
Peter Robinson So, I'm just going to concentrate just on the tech and then the budget.
So, again, we were voted by all of the member districts and their school committees invited to join the education cooperative or tech.
So, there is an agreement that was included in your packet that it might, you know, if people want to look over that prior to voting, that, you know, makes all the sense in the world.
But it just kind of outlines membership.
So, I think, what I've discussed before is they'll set the fees, but it was the assessment last year was around $10,000.
And the combination of us having just a student or two in their programs, along with the 80 seats that we gain in the TEKA online schooling platform will easily make up for that cost while providing an array of other benefits to the district.
Peter Robinson So, again, reduced tuition for special education program, 80 seats in tech online learning, student internship and career exploration, great education professional development at discount rates, job alites at no cost, discounted tuition for master's and bachelor's degrees.
Peter Robinson So that might be for our teachers or IAs who are looking to pursue education membership in the tech student private data privacy alliance, which would cost us alone, I think it's about $3,000 or $4,000.
Peter Robinson And then membership in cooperative purchasing programs that can save us quite a bit of money as well. So, again, it's well worth the cost of joining scope.
Peter Robinson So go back one more time, Jane, please.
Peter Robinson So whether you want to do it today or you want to wait until the next meeting, what we need is a motion to authorize the Sharon public schools to become a member of the education collaborative effective July 1st and to approve and accept the tech collaborative agreement accordingly.
Then at that point, once that vote is made, the chair, Julie Rowe, will sign the agreement along with all of the other chairs of the member districts.
Peter Robinson Okay. Peter Robinson Thank you. Peter Robinson Thank you for that, Peter. Peter Robinson I would like to know if there's any questions or discussions from the committee.
Peter Robinson Jeremy What's the net financial impact of joining tech?
Peter Robinson They haven't set the exact tuition for our for next year, but it was about $10,000 was the was what it would have cost it for this year. Peter Robinson Thank you, Jeremy. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Peter Robinson Anyone else? Peter Robinson Does the committee feel like it's a good time to take a…oh, Adam, go ahead.
Adam Adam Sorry, my interpretation of Jeremy's question and Jeremy, please correct me if I'm mistaken, was just kind of net impact.
Peter Robinson Do we have a sense if we assume it's roughly $10,000 and then we know that there are savings involved, just kind of what the total net impact would be? Peter Robinson I think it will be dependent year to year on students that are who join some of the tech special education programs that's.
Peter Robinson But I think it's in years when we have several members, we will take advantage of our seats in the tech online learning.
Peter Robinson The cost for those things would exceed the $10,000 assessment.
Peter Robinson But I think there's definitely great opportunity to take advantage of those and end up saving more than we spend.
Sarah- Okay. Sarah- Are there any other questions or discussions?
Sarah- Do we feel like we're prepared to vote on this? Sarah- Because I will accept a motion. Yes, Alan?
Alan Allen I make a motion to authorize the public schools to become a member of the Education Collaborative effective July 1, 2025, and to approve and accept the public schools. Sarah- Okay, thank you. Sarah- Is there a second? Alan Allen Yes. Alan Allen Yes. Sarah- Dan Yes. Sarah- Avi Yes. Sarah- Jeremy Yes. Sarah- Adam Adam Yes.
Sarah- Shauna, did I say you already?
Sarah Shauna Yes. Sarah- Okay. Sarah- And I'm a yes. Yes, the motion carries.
Thank you. Sorry, Shauna, the little squares moved around and I lost you. Okay, so we are now going into our second discussion, our millionth discussion of the fiscal 26 operating budget.
So the goals of tonight are we would like to end up with a motion to approve a 4% budget that will be presented to the Finance Committee.
And along with that 4%, we will also have a list of the cuts the Finance Committee would like us to make, which would be a 3.54%
increase.
So we're going to vote on the budget and then we'll also be okay with these other cuts to move forward.
Then we will discuss the fees.
And then hopefully this will go reasonably.
Are there any questions about that to start?
Okay, good.
Okay, Peter.
Great. Jane's going to put up a short presentation.
Oh, sorry, Avi.
Yeah, just for clarity's sake, the, just to make sure I understood what you said, 4% budget cuts to get to the number that FinCom has voted that they believe the allocation should be. The, would, I mean, I assume with the understanding that FinCom has made it clear that they'll, if they vote to recommend a budget of ours at all, it will be to vote, it'll be to recommend the budget that includes those cuts. That's my understanding.
And we'll still present the 4-0 budget of hours at town meeting with the hopes that the, that at town meeting, the 4% budget is the budget that's approved.
And the understanding that if it isn't in the 3-5-4 is that those are the cuts. Just for clarity's sake, is that, am I, do I understand that right?
That's right. The 4% number is the number that was decided at the priorities meeting.
And subsequent to that, the finance committee wanted us to make further cuts.
So the 4%, 4% refers to the amount of increase to the budget.
So priorities said we would have a 4% increase to the budget for this year, which means we need to make $800,000 of cuts.
The finance committee felt that 4% was too high and they felt that 3.56%
was the appropriate increase for us. And that will necessitate an additional $250,000 in cuts. So the budget that we'll approve, we'll have the $800,000 in cuts, and then we will have a list of the additional cuts to show the finance committee and, and we'll, we'll see what happens next week. Is there an question?
I hope I explained that. I think you had it right, Avi. Any other questions before we move on?
Okay. Okay. Thanks, Peter.
Go ahead.
Great.
So I think Monday's discussion was really, really helpful.
And we tried to take the feedback that came from it heavily into account when I have a couple of proposed options to consider.
One issue in particular that we heard concerns about were about the four cuts at the middle school.
And in particular, Alan had asked the question as to whether two cuts instead of four would be possible.
This is something that we typically do in sixth grade, but haven't done for a while in seventh or eighth. But when Kevin O'Rourke heard about that, he's been very cooperative in trying to minimize the cuts, especially at the elementary school, realizing that the elementary kids come up to middle school and, and they benefit from as good a situation as possible.
He spoke to some teachers and shared with me that there were two teachers willing to teach on a two person team in the eighth grade.
There's one teacher, both very, very strong teachers, one with a math and science certification, which is typically the really hard one to fill at the seventh and eighth grade level. And the other one who has, who's been an English teacher, but has also taught humanities.
Because of the eighth grade numbers at 257, the average class size, though this differs, will be a little lower or higher based upon language choice and based upon levels that occur in eighth grade. But the average class size would be just around 20. So it's still a very, very strong number.
The model is something that I always taught in. I always love to teach both English and social studies because I would get to know those kids twice as well and be able to infuse writing and reading into my social studies classes in a seamless way. And both of those teachers, they would need to be voluntary and they did jump up and say, we're willing to do this. So you will see reflected in the two top proposals that I have put forth.
Those, not a four person cut at the middle school, but a two person cut.
A couple other small changes that have occurred is we had a recent retirement notice of someone in our business office.
And because of the rehiring after, we believe that we should be able to hire at a $10,000 less salary.
So the district restructuring went up from 120 to 130. Also, we analyzed the, we had a recent retirement in wellness at the high school.
And with the potential using the waiver system we talked about, we believe we can have enough savings that we count on already from, you know, replacing retirements at a lower rate. But if we don't, that we could, instead of just having, I think I had $75,000, we safely believe we could save $80,000 if we did not fill that position and did the waiver process.
So those are a couple of, of the smaller changes.
But the biggest change you see is again, inability to consider a two person cut at the middle school instead of a four person.
Now, when we look at this first option, so with there's one option that, that, you know, the second option maintains FLESS and the first option does not. So that's the kind of one of the major differences between the two. So this first one has the district restructuring.
It has the small cut in elementary art because of less sections in the, in the elementary schools.
So we don't need that point one. It has one elementary teacher reduction.
There are, if you look at, looked at the enrollment, our enrollment changes on a daily basis and some of our kiddos who lived in the shelter recently moved out of the kindergarten at East, which lowers our projected grade one numbers at East. So that elementary reduction at East would start off our numbers at 19 or 20. We typically cap at 22. We could cap it lower, but that would be, those numbers would be starting off just a little bit lower than what Cottage is starting off as, and it also would leave us plenty of room at heights for if we had, you know, significant move-ins to have kids be able to have, you know, see that heights while taking that reduction at East.
It also includes, again, two cuts.
It would be a social studies and a math cut at the middle school, and then three cuts at the high school, the taking advantage of the resignation of the visual arts teacher, reducing technology integration, and that would be shifting down to the elementary school likely, and then taking advantage of the retirement wellness and implementing the waiver system.
This first scenario does, as some people requested, eliminate our FLUS programs while maintaining DCMs for that $190,000 in cuts.
It also is allowed to, based upon feedback, to not have increases in athletics and transportation in meets, you know, goes even $9,000 above the target amount.
So that is the first scenario.
Let me share the second scenario, and then we'll, we can talk about both, because they're quite similar in a lot of ways.
So the second one, again, maintains FLUS, and also that partial middle school cuts of those two teachers.
It also has three high school cuts, the same ones, visual arts, technology integration, and wellness.
Again, both of them maintain PE, two times a week in grades three through five.
So that's, and, and yeah, that's those, and has the district instruction.
This one, because there's, you know, savings to make up for by not reducing FLUS, so we have the great benefit of not reducing FLUS, but we do have the pretty, almost the full fees in, in place, a slight reduction from 15% to 13% in athletics and the full 15% in transportation.
So those are the, based upon all the feedback and based upon the analysis, those are the two options that I think, you know, are able to deal with a difficult circumstance while spreading the cuts across the district in a responsible way that still can maintain high quality education and, and, and, and programming.
Okay.
Thank you, Peter.
And I want to ask a quick question just to frame it. So both of these budget options are like, like a, like a bundle in themselves, right?
Because we can't, we can't be like moving stuff around because these are all dependent on different things. Is that correct?
Yeah. I mean, these are two options that I think piece together and, and work well together.
So, yeah, the preference would be to, to maintain them as, as options.
All right.
Avi.
Dr. Bertello, in 1B, what is, what's, what's taking place during the DCMs?
Dr. Bertello, in 1B, what's taking place during the DCMs? There's a $50,000 cost to maintain the DCMs.
I assume time is money.
And so there's something covering, there's some FTE of some sort or some portion of an FTE, and IE, there's some service being provided to our students during the DCM. What is, what is that in that scenario?
Dr. Bertello, in 1B, what's taking place during DCMs? So just during DCMs, you have grade level groups getting together with curricular coordinators and specialists in order to over review the curriculum overview, testing that assessments that kids have done, especially in literacy, math, and social, emotional learning, decide which kids need interventions, either by the specialist or by the classroom teacher, continue to check back on those after usually an intervention might be four to six weeks of intervention, see if the kids are making progress.
If they are, take them off their intervention and continue with their regular instruction.
So it's a way to have much greater consistency across the board in each of our elementary schools so that teachers are really on the same page as well as making sure that when kids are struggling, interventions are determined based upon data. It also is a place where teachers can discuss additional things besides interventions that are going on that win blocks in order to strengthen them and make them more fruitful for all kids. Right.
Sorry.
Maybe the question wasn't clear.
I understand, or I appreciate the explanation.
I should say I accept the value of the DCMs. I'm a believer in department level management and I accept that. And I'm somebody who values standardization of education.
I'd like to, I understand the value of the DCMs. I'm asking while those, the $50,000 cost is obviously to cover, or I read that as to cover what's taking place during the DCMs. And I'm just asking what are the, what is that?
Is it? So instead of, instead of Spanish teachers in the model where FLESS is cut, up covering the time so the teachers can meet in their DCMs, additional specials teachers, you'd have to up the specials teachers FTE. That's that $50,000 difference in order to make sure that those are covered.
Okay.
So, so in this, in 1B, we're looking at some kids getting more more jam or more music or more library or something to that effect.
Correct.
Okay. I appreciate the clarification.
Thank you.
Thanks, Avi.
Shauna?
Thanks.
First off, the district-wide technology integration, is that a district-wide position or are you including that as, as, as an SHS cut? It is a, the position is a position that's primarily at the high school, but also has some time at the elementary.
And, and so the, the second technology integration, which is at the elementary would be shared across those three schools.
Okay. So it's not necessarily a SHS cut? It's not strictly, it's primarily at the high school, but it's, it has some, some responsibilities at the elementary school as well.
Okay.
For the, the middle school.
So Mr. Work then identified two teachers who hold academic licensure for both science and math.
One teacher that holds the certifications in science and math. The other one holds a certification in English and would be, would be pursuing the social studies certification.
So, so we would have two teachers doing two grade level contents?
No, they would, so they would have a smaller team in eighth grade. So in say if a team was a hundred kids, they would have 50 kids, they would teach two English classes.
The English, the English social studies teacher would teach two English classes and two social studies classes. And the math science teacher would teach two math classes and two science classes.
So they would teach the same kids or, you know, English and social studies or math and science.
Okay. So if you're on that team, you would have the same teacher for math and science and you would have the same teacher, a different teacher, but the same one for your English and social studies.
So what happens next year when we're piloting a new math curriculum in eighth grade, looking at algebra one. So we're going to have a new math curriculum and then we're going to have a small team and they're supposed to teach science content and MCAS content for science and math. I did it tons of times. If you have a teacher that they get the benefit of having less kids and you know, the, the, you know, that's, that's the pro as well as being able to integrate across two subjects and the challenges, knowing both the subjects, they'll be heavily supported by our, you know, math coordinator, as well as our science coordinator, as well as their peers.
And, but we'll need to know, to know both and they've, you know, they, they, in the conversations with Mr. O'Rourke, they're, they're excited and willing to do so.
How does it impact special education?
Kevin, could you talk to, is Kevin O'Rourke on the?
Let me see.
I will, I will unmute him.
Hi. So, um, I am very much in favor of losing two teachers versus four.
And the teachers that I've talked with about this possibility, I have tremendous confidence in.
Um, and I think they could not only do this, but do this very well.
I also feel like, um, as far as your question in regards to kids with special education needs, um, this, doing this versus a split team model, um, a simplifies things.
Um, seventh grade has absolutely no change. There's three full teams in seventh grade. So there's no impact on my seventh grade. And then on the eighth grade, um, I have a strong special education team that will continue to serve those kids as is. There's no, um, reduction in the special educators or instructional assistants that serve those kids. So, um, I feel confident we can still, um, do what we do with kids and supporting them across their, their, uh, academic environments and across the eighth grade classrooms there. Okay. So you don't have, you don't have concerns that we would almost pigeonhole kids with special needs on one team because we wouldn't, we won't.
I just want to make sure that like there's equity in terms of, you know, correct kids. And we're not putting all the kids on IEPs on one team, 504 is another and ML is on another.
We would never do that. Nope. We spread them around.
Um, we have our, our mixes in middle school or, our across all teams and that would continue in this model as well. How do you feel about the integration of the new, is it okay if I ask him a question, Julie?
Yeah. Okay. Um, how do you feel about the new curriculum in math and having the split team?
So this is a, I would call this a mini team and I, and like I said, that's okay. Um, I, I have every confidence in the, this, the, the folks that we're, we would be, um, enlisting to do this work that they have good support with Tina Kelly, our math coordinator and could do it very well. Okay. Thank you. I'll have more questions, but I appreciate it. Come. All right.
Absolutely.
Um, thank you, Mr. Work and thank you, Shauna.
Jeremy.
Hi. I was hoping that we could walk through the updated enrollment projections.
I think, you know, for those who are watching remote, it's helpful context to kind of understand what these different cuts mean, um, you know, uh, and what the normal ranges for class size are. So I think I've seen a few numbers moving around. I was just hoping that we could take one more spin through. Um, and if you could kind of go over, like, is this, you know, is this class size normal?
Is it at the upper edge of the range? Like, how should we be thinking about this? We know that district enrollment is declining.
You mentioned that with SMS cuts. So I was hoping that we could look at that projection, um, and just calibrate for everyone, like where we sit in the range compared to the state of classroom sizes.
Dr. Patel, do you want me to put that up now? Are we asking for that now or? I think it's helpful as we go through this, right?
Cause you know, I like that in some of these, right, with the elementary school, it says, here's how many people are going to be in the class, but even just talking through it. So the people at home understand that, um, you know, today cottage is operating at the class size that Heights and East are, for example.
Right.
And, um, it seems like in Massachusetts, 20 to 22 is a very normal size for elementary school.
Yeah. So if we, um, um, so we look at, okay, kindergarten is, is totally based upon, uh, projections, um, cause we're just having enrollment now. Um, but this is pretty consistent with, um, the last couple of years.
Um, and so we're expecting, you know, to have that 22 and very possibly less than that based upon, you know, NESDEC, um, projections and such. Um, as far as grade one, um, um, so last, last time we were together, you saw 61 in grade one at, uh, at, um, at East, um, we have, uh, two kids who are, um, kind of moving out, um, of that grade.
So that breaks that down to 59, which starts us off if we did that cut at 19, 20 and 20, um, grade one at cottage would be starting at, um, um, at 22. It's probably going to go down a little bit from that, um, with, uh, a couple of kids from the shelter leaving.
Um, but, um, um, they haven't left yet. And then grade one at Heights, uh, would be starting with the 17, 18. Um, but that is the place we do typically have, like I said, 12 to 20 kiddos move into first grade. So the great majority of those would be targeted towards Heights.
Um, and that, you know, uh, 18 to 22 number in, um, early elementary is pretty typical across the state.
Um, there certainly are, um, there are a few states, a few districts that go below the 18 and there are certain some that unfortunately have, you know, quite a bit higher at times. Yeah. I was looking at some of our peer districts and Acton, which I don't want to keep bringing them up, but they just have a lot of great info. It's easy to access. You know, they're, they're like 20 to 22 is their target for grade one through three and 22 to 24. Um, so, you know, I think part of this is, you know, rationalizing ourselves to be kind of in line with where the state is. Um, yeah, even across our elementary schools.
Yeah. I'd say the towns where you really can do it best are like the Holliston one, where you have one big, you know, you have a pre-K to school and a three, two, five kid. You could spread those kids completely evenly.
Um, and so that's the benefit of having that, that model was like one, one school at different levels. Um, yeah, I mean, that makes sense. We're, we don't, unfortunately don't have that, but I get the benefits of scale. And then for, for middle school, I just want to do a similar exercise for everyone at home. Um, so that, you know, are you good with, uh, elementary or yeah, it makes sense. Thank you for reviewing this. Yeah. It took me a while to just kind of think through it. Um, so, um, I do think it's kind of critical to our budget discussions, just to understand that, you know, uh, if we kept the two elementary school positions, our classes would be very small compared to most times. Um, and I think Sean, I, you'd mentioned that last meeting.
So, um, that, that really got me looking at things.
Yeah. I think even with the potential two cuts, um, you know, those class sizes are start off either, uh, lower or equal to one of our other schools already, um, and leave us room in another school if we need to transport kids.
Um, at the middle school, one of the benefits of this, um, this, you know, mini team, a solution that Mr. O'Rourke, um, and his teachers who volunteered found is that eighth grade is 257, which is on the smaller end. Um, the other grades next year will be, um, 276 in sixth grade, 291 in eighth grade.
So 257 is on the smaller end. And as I mentioned previously, the average class size in eighth grade, even with the mini team would be, um, approximately 20, uh, because of different levels and because of different languages that we offer, those can be a little bit less than that or a little bit more than that.
Um, but, um, it is a, it is a very, um, you know, if we had 257 across the board, like, or, you know, in our middle school, um, we probably would be going to the, which is something I had in all, going to these small teams, um, you know, quite frequently because it's a, it's a very reasonable number.
And if we were to remove the full section, you know, I read that the typical middle school range is about 22 to 24. I mean, it can go up to like 26 or 28 in Massachusetts.
Um, what would that put us in like the 22 to 24 range, which is.
That would, that would, that would put us at average of about 23, 24 to start with, but again, some classes being, um, you know, three or four bigger in, in some being smaller based upon world language and stuff, but the, this, you know, two person to two cut, it puts us in a really sweet range, even for those classes that go up higher because of, um, the different levels and choices.
So it would still be in the range, but at the lower, I'm sorry, at the higher end of that 22 to 24. If we, if we had four cuts, we'd be, uh, still in the range, but, you know, have some classes that would be probably up, as I said, I think like 26, perhaps even 27, but with some classes less just because of the differences in kids are choosing different levels and different world languages.
Okay.
Um, that's, that's helpful. Cause I think just understanding what's normal and the implications of these cuts, you know, kind of helped.
It's thinking to the future if, um, what would likely happen.
So next year, um, we would have the, um, you know, the eighth grade have that mini team the year after the sixth grade group, it coming up. Um, well, no, the year after we probably, we just, um, kind of maintain that.
Actually, it probably would move to sixth grade and have that mini team, which is very customary because there's a small group moving up. And then the year after that, um, we could likely, um, reduce two more if we had to, if we were in a bad budget year, uh, because that's when you have multiple, uh, grade levels at the middle school with small, um, cohorts.
Yeah. That, that was my next question, you know, I think for the district, um, but taking it in a more more modulated fashion that really, um, not. Yeah. Cause I would hate to cut the whole team and have to go back to a mini team if like subsequent grades were larger than the current ones. Um, okay. That's helpful context for me. Um, I just wanted to make sure that I was thinking about it. Right.
Um, I did have two other questions.
One was on the PE waiver.
I've heard a lot of mixed things about whether or not we'll get that.
I mean, I, it, it sounds as though it's not certain.
So should we, when would we know if we get that? Like, it's not something that we get, we offer a waiver, uh, to the kids for them to fulfill their physical education requirement in 11th and 12th grade by either doing athletics or doing an outside activity or doing some kind of independent activity that's monitored.
We would not, the time we would get some feedback from the state was a couple of years from now when they did an audit of our physical education programs.
I mean, they would see that we do offer 11th and 12th grade PE, but we also offer a waiver as an option for satisfying that. And that's the time that they would give us feedback.
We haven't heard of anyone getting rejected on that. We got rejected when we didn't have an 11th and 12th grade offer at all, that we were supposed to have four years of offerings for physical education.
And we were told we need to do that. And they were non-committal as to whether or not a waiver system would be satisfactory.
Um, but, um, so that's, that's, we don't get the waiver from them. They would, again, a couple of years. If we were found to be non-compliant and odd, and what would the consequences be? They would tell us to, um, to institute a different system.
Um, and then, sorry, I'm just looking through what it was.
I did want to comment on the athletic fees, just to put them in context.
So what would the current increase mean per athlete?
Just like, I think we're at 375 now, which I know is already double the average for our league, but it is on par with active in Boxborough and other towns like Medfield.
Um, but I'd be a little cautious about pushing that much further.
Um, so what would kind of the average athletic fee be there?
So option 1B doesn't, it was able to get rid of the increases, but for option 1C, Ellen, could you speak to what, um, what the change would be by the 15% increase?
Ellen's coming in. I think she dropped off and coming back in.
A lot.
Ellen.
Oh, I have to unmute her. Ellen, are you there?
Yeah. I'm here. I apologize.
I've had, um, some tech issues this evening. So, could you repeat the question?
If I just left that in. If we went to the, uh, well, 15%, or I guess it's going to be probably 13% increase.
You can talk to 15 if you only have those numbers.
What would be, how would that change as far as what kids would be paying?
Okay, so just give me one second and we'll get it up.
So for transportation, if we went to the 15th.
How about for athletics?
Okay, sorry.
Thanks.
For the first sport, it would go from $375 to $431.
For the second season, it would go from $300 to $345.
For the third season, it would go from $200 to $230.
And the family cap would adjust from $1,350 to $1,552.50.
So I think I heard $400 and what was the first one?
Sorry.
The season one would be $431.
Season two would be $345.
Season three would be $230.
And then the family cap would be $1,552.50.
And then this is a quick one, I hope.
The transportation fee increase?
Yes, it would be $90.
It would be $600 to $690. Okay.
Okay. And then the last one.
Sure.
Because I've got a lot of questions about this and I know it's been moving.
Yeah. Just like a breakdown of the district restructuring.
The district restructuring includes the reduction of the director of DEI.
It includes savings in hiring with kind of new positions, admin and central office positions.
So it's a combination of those two things.
Okay.
That's all I have for now.
I'll let someone else ask. Thanks, Jeremy.
Those were very good questions.
Dan.
Thank you for putting these options together.
My understanding is the goal tonight is to approve a budget that would get us to the 4.0 number and also approve a contingency of cuts to get us to the 3.5
number if necessary.
When I was considering those two goals and reviewing these options, I noticed that which option we picked would actually change those contingent cuts. And one of the key differences that I saw, at least in a previous version of this, was that the option that would cut FLAS then freed up that extra elementary cut and the fee increases to then become the contingent cuts below.
Is that still accurate?
And if so, could you tell us what the contingent cuts would be for the other option?
Because to me, these are not, to borrow a science term, independent variables.
They're dependent variables in that the first decision affects the second decision.
So it's really helpful to me to view everything holistically.
Yeah. Yeah.
So with the option, you know, the first option, because athletic fees and transportation fees are not part of that, that would be included in the cuts if we needed to go to the 3.5 floor number, if the town voted for us to do so. As well as that elementary cut, which is not part of the first option, would be included, as well as the Spanish teacher, which is not included at the high school.
With the second option, because, you know, you know, at least the first three of those things are already included, the increases in fees, as well as the elementary teacher in Spanish, then, no, not Spanish, an elementary teacher are included, then it would include the Spanish teacher, a science teacher, and instrumental music.
The idea of going that deep at the high school is concerning to me, because even though we look at each department cut in isolation and are trying to project what the impacts will be, when those kids don't have sections, say, in visual arts or wellness or Spanish, they have to land someplace.
So the cumulative effect of having multiple cuts at the high school, like, you know, up to, this would be up to five cuts at the high school for the second option, I think is very, very risky, and something, you know, I would not want to go to unless, you know, absolutely necessary.
And obviously, instrumental music is something we're trying to save. It's something that lots of our kids take advantage of, and probably, you know, at least half of them probably would not be doing instrumental music if we weren't offering it in school.
And it, like, world languages really allows the brain to activate and grow in different ways. So it's something that, you know, so that option 1C, FinCom cuts thing is, you know, getting into a situation where tough decisions are even tougher.
Thank you. Thanks, Dan.
Shauna.
Are you, no, you don't have a question?
Okay, Avi. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, wait, you do have a question.
Sorry. I was talking.
My audio was off. Okay.
Can we go back to the last slide, please?
I think it's option.
1C.
Yep.
1C.
Okay. No, is it this one?
Can you see B for a second?
Sorry.
Oh, yeah.
No, 1C.
Sorry.
Okay.
So here's my question.
On this, I know you just said that you're concerned with SHS cuts and going too deep.
I think that we also have to look holistically in terms of what those cuts mean, right?
Each teacher teaches four sections of a class at the high school, correct?
Four or five.
Four or five.
So hypothetically, we're talking about 20 sections of a course or of courses across how many departments.
So like, yes, that hurts in losing four teachers at the high school, but the impact may not be as large as it looks like.
I'm just saying in a year where we have to make hard decisions, that seems like a place that we can shave off a little bit more than we're presenting.
If we have to increase the amount of time that our kids are in studies, that may have to happen.
But I think right now we have, and I said this last meeting, we were sent the program of study with like 11 new courses.
So that's a real nice to have.
That's a real nice to have.
So I just wonder if like, you know, you said that you don't want to put in FinCom's reduction of Spanish science.
This, so I'm just wondering, like, what if we did that?
What if, what if we did that and we had a net gain where then we could, because if we added two more cuts to this 4%, the differential would be about $150,000.
We have families here who have been promised or we're looking at, we're looking at kindergarten.
What if we put that $150,000?
Can I clarify something?
Yep. I think this is important.
I think you're misreading the FinCom cut.
Those are not cuts proposed or suggested by FinCom. FinCom has made it clear time and time again, they don't, they, they, they weigh in on our top line number.
They don't, they don't indicate to us, nor, nor have they ever attempted to tell us specifically what to cut. Those are the cuts Dr. Botella would make to get to the FinCom recommended allocation.
And so just to be clear, there is no, you, I can understand the argument that you, you can swap those cuts in, but there is no freed up savings in adding, you'd be replacing cuts that exist above it.
There is no.
Sorry.
How, how are you, help me understand how you're, I'm not swapping, I'm adding.
Okay.
So if we go to the next slide, if we go to slide four and we were to look at, so on one C, the elementary school teacher is already there.
If we were to go and we would add the Spanish teacher, that's not on one C, correct?
Correct.
I think maybe I misunderstood you.
Right.
How do we, I just, I'm wondering like, if we were to increase the athletic fee, if we were to increase the Spanish teacher, if we have somewhere of a hundred thousand dollars, if we can give back families or cut the tuition for kindergarten, at least a couple of dollars, I think it would be big for our community.
Just thinking differently.
I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to, like, add what you have onto another thing. I, I really like one C.
That's, that's me. I'm just trying to see what else we could shave off and, and help in other ways.
Sorry.
Thank you.
Okay.
Alan.
Yeah. I, I favor one C, all things considered as well.
But I just want to clarify something, Sean. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if I feel differently than you or if you're right. So I, I like you to talk to tell her, Dr. Joss on the way in.
This idea that we are adding classes at the high school. I think Dr.
Burke sent us an email in which I understood her to be saying that they don't actually add electives at the high school.
It's that they're cycling in new electives based on what their potential enrollment could be. So that, and let's say, I think she used the example of the physics of warfare.
I could be wrong.
But I think she used the example of physics of warfare that perhaps has been offered in, let's say, three years ago. There wasn't significant enrollment for it at that time.
Therefore, it wasn't offered again. But it's been two years and now they're going to put it back into the rotation.
I do think that's different than saying we're adding electives.
And so I just would like to get clarification from somebody, if we can, on whether we are, in fact, adding electives at the high school or just rotating in and out the ones that we're putting in the program of studies for this year versus past years. Yeah, what we've done is we've taken out of the program of studies, reduced electives that either we did not run this past year because they did not fill or were lower than enrollment than is feasible for our school.
We also, in some cases, we reduced the number of electives overall to create some efficiencies there.
So, yeah, overall, we're not adding electives, but we might be changing them, reducing them, but not adding.
Thanks, Alan.
Avi?
Yeah.
So, I pretty firmly support 1B for a lot of the reasons that we talked about in the last meeting.
To me, and it's not lost on me that a program like FLESS is really FTEs, which are human beings and are educators.
And I'm not somebody that believes that that program doesn't have value.
I believe it has tremendous value. I believe everything we're going to cut has tremendous value. And so, to me, again, I would firmly support 1B.
I would just say that 1B's FinCom number-driven cuts makes logical sense to me in that these are the things being essentially saved by other cuts in 1B. 1B.
I would also say 1C. 1C for me. 1C for me. And again, I have no – I'm not driven to cut FLESS.
It's not a thing that – I know folks have talked about experiences that their children have had, etc. I've only had positive experiences with FLESS. I just look at that program.
I look at the dollar savings. And for me, I guess it's a little bit surprising that 1C wouldn't have FLESS as the cut if we were forced to go to the lower number, really only because 1B does essentially list the things that are being saved as the cuts when we drive lower.
That's really my only thinking there. But again, for me, 1B is the cleanest option in that it spreads the hurt, and I think it makes the most prudent cut.
And again, that's where I'm at. Thank you, Avi.
Avi, do – maybe this is a good time to start moving people towards, like, kind of let's take the temperature of everyone, like kind of where are you on this?
Shauna, did you have your hand up?
Or you put it down?
I did, but I'm going to wait a second.
Okay.
Alan?
Oh, wait. No, I'm sorry. Jeremy, you've been waiting a while.
I think Alan was first.
Oh, was he?
Oh, I thought I just called him. Okay.
Yeah, I just – and maybe now isn't the right time to have this conversation.
I wanted to just comment a bit about FLESS. And I, you know, I agree with Avi that none of these are good cuts.
We're having to choose between really bad options either way we go.
I certainly see the value of 1B.
You know, the folks from FLESS were kind enough to invite all of us if we wanted to witness a session this week. I had a good fortune to go yesterday.
From the conversation we had on Monday, I was not expecting to walk into a FLESS classroom that was, I would say, and I don't know the definition of fluency, but 99% delivered in Spanish, both at the fourth grade level and the kindergarten level. I was kind of blown away by that, to be honest with you, even how much there had been conversation at this meeting about sort of how much FLESS was sort of not of value at one day a week. I think there's an extraordinary amount of Spanish being taught one day a week, and I think a lot more would be taught two days a week. But I guess the disconnect for me and why I think it's at least worth strongly advocating to try to keep FLESS is that we're spending a lot of money as a district to educate kids in Spanish, which is, by the way, by far the second most popular language other than English in the Commonwealth, at the middle school level and the high school level.
We spend a lot of money to educate them there. And yet the best time to educate them in terms of retention is in the FLESS years.
And I don't know about anybody else, but most of the friends I know that have taught or that have taken Spanish always say, oh, you know, I took six years of Spanish or whatever.
I don't remember any of it.
I think this is how you help them remember it. I would also say that, and this is no knock on any language because I got accused of hating on the language that I took, which was Latin, which I was not trying to do. But I would just say in the context of the Commonwealth's population where Spanish is far and away the second most popular language and everything is eons and eons less.
We do spend a lot of money at the middle school and the high school level on languages other than Spanish.
And yet we're talking about cutting Spanish during the period in which students have the greatest likelihood of being able to retain it. So I understand the value of the things that are being saved under 1B, but I think the value of FLESS needs to at least be acknowledged.
And the last thing I'll say, and I promise I'll be quiet, there was a lot of conversation at the last meeting about Brookline, Brookline, Brookline, Brookline, Brookline. Brookline, I think I read to you all some of the other districts besides Brookline that have kept FLESS, but in the materials that was sent to the school committee and part of Dr. Bertello's narrative at the last meeting, he listed a number of research documents.
I don't remember how many, I don't know if it's up right now, three, four, five, about the value of world language at the FLESS grade levels.
So I'm not disputing the experience or findings of Brookline, but I don't want to lose the forest or the trees that the overwhelming research on this topic is that this kind of program is valuable.
Thanks.
Okay.
Thanks, Alan.
I appreciate that, as I also had the opportunity to check out the FLESS classrooms yesterday, and I shared your impressions.
Jeremy.
Jeremy.
Yeah, so I'm also with Avi on 1B.
I understand that a lot of people like FLESS, but we have a lot of hard choices, and I looked through the research Dr. Batella provided, and in none of the studies was the Spanish instruction less than once a day.
So the ones that were relevant for elementary school was a study where every day they had it in New Orleans.
So we're not at that level.
And, you know, the district did put together some information on how FLESS has impacted scores in eighth grade Spanish.
And there is a small impact.
Students are coming out from, like, slightly at the high end of novice to the low end of intermediary, but that's after six years and, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So just looking at our own data, which I didn't have the last meeting, you know, there's, it is a small sample, but there's just not much impact that you would expect if there was a high level of learning and retention.
And, you know, I don't want to sound like a broken record, but you need a lot of, yes, when you're young is the best time to learn, but you need a lot of exposure.
So, you know, you need a lot of exposure for all these effects to have brain changes.
And I think that there is an added benefit of more gym time and library time.
I don't want older elementary school kids to lose that. I know that those are also really important.
And there are studies that show those have benefits. So, so for me, even if I were to assume the benefits were the same, if one's going to save us $190K, then I'd go towards that option.
So I support option 1B. I think that's a good start point. I would ask, we just put them side by. If no one is for the first option, would it be possible to, like, list them side by side with the FinCom stuff at the bottom?
Because I'm getting a little confused.
You know, we have part of them on this slide and part of them on the other.
But if we could just put them side by side, I think that would help our discussion. So we could see what the deltas are between the two.
And I think that that would just highlight, you know, the cost of less is real.
And the educational impact is marginal.
And what it would be replaced by, I think, are really worthwhile exercises.
Like, Shauna mentioned, like, gym, like, the kids need to move around to help them focus in the class and art and library time.
So, you know, I want to, I want us to look at them side by side and see what FLESS is costing elsewhere.
But also keep in mind that there's added benefit to the other stuff and what these older elementary school kids would be losing.
Thanks, Jeremy.
Adam? Thanks, Julie.
Dr. Patel, I think I heard and I may have misheard, which is why I'm looking for clarification.
On the plan, the budget plan that maintains FLESS, did you say something had changed in terms of being able to also maintain kind of two periods of gym per week?
Or like, did something change in the implementation?
Yeah. The reduction of the physical education teachers because of the feedback was taken out of that. So, it maintains, under this model, it would have, you'd have a grade 335 student would have two Spanish, two PE art in music.
So, what, what are they losing, I guess?
Like, what, what time is... They would be losing a set library time, but would have, would, their teachers would be able to bring their kids to the library and work with the librarian, but not have a set class in library.
Thank you.
Thank you. That's helpful. And, and for further clarification, the two periods are 40 minute blocks.
Is that correct?
Right.
Thank you. So, I'll say, you know, more generally as we're thinking about the budget options.
So, I am, personally speaking, just extremely torn because I've been a supporter of FLESS.
And I think that it is a extremely valuable program broadly.
And, but I think hearing some of the feedback from the community that has, has not necessarily had super positive experiences.
And I think that may be reflective of the fact that when we changed over to kind of the, the wind block model, we knew we were kind of hurting the FLESS program a little bit in terms of the, you know, shifting to, to one time a week.
I also tried to, to look through some of the data and the research.
And I know you referenced, I particularly liked kind of reading through the paper from, from Taylor and Lafayette.
Not necessarily because their, their study was applicable.
I think this might actually be what Jeremy was referencing because that their experiment was daily FLESS instruction.
But I thought that the literature review did a really nice job of highlighting a lot of the other research on FLESS and really demonstrating that when implemented well, it has strong positive impact, not only on language acquisition, but also actually on kind of performance across the, the whole range of, of academic subjects, math, ELA, social studies, et cetera.
But there was also a line in the, in the literature review that really jumped out at me because there was a study that didn't necessarily show that improvement.
And they, they write there that, you know, it's worth, and now I'm just quoting it. It's worth considering that perhaps the treatment groups limited exposure to the target language, one hour of foreign language instruction per week was not significant enough to make an appreciable contribution to their academic achievement in other curricular areas. And, and so I, I feel like we almost have to, um, invest even further, so to speak.
Like, I think if we want FLESS to, to be effective and to see the real kind of academic benefits, um, in addition to, um, kind of the exposure benefits and the, um, kind of, uh, uh, benefits from a, uh, uh, uh, perspective of, uh, just awareness of, uh, kind of cultures and, and cultural competency, um, that we would almost need to over-invest or invest more in FLESS.
And, and, and I worry that if we can't do that, um, we're putting FLESS back in this limbo-ish position where it struggles to have the impact that we want it to have, um, because we're not really implementing it well enough, uh, to see those academic benefits.
Um, and so that's where personally speaking, I'm, I'm very torn. Um, and I do like the idea, given that our fees are already so high, of finding an option, um, that allows us to kind of minimize cuts, um, and minimize some of those fees.
Um, and maybe also highlights that if we want to move down to a lower allocation, um, and if the town effectively doesn't want to, um, support the schools in this way, um, that instead it will be a lower allocation.
We'll be shifting those, those costs and the burden, uh, more explicitly onto, uh, parents within the school system.
Um, so I, I think personally speaking, I'm, I'm leaning towards 1B, um, and that really is, is painful for me to say, but, um, I don't know, I, I guess that's kind of where I'm at.
Thank you, Adam.
Um, I appreciate that. Uh, Dan.
Yeah, thanks.
Um, I'm, I'm eager to reach resolution on, on this, on these topics, but, um, I do think given the gravity of what we're discussing, it, it does deserve some, some explanation and discussion.
So, uh, I'm also favorable to option 1B.
Uh, I'll explain why.
Um.
Um, I've, I've, I've followed the evolution of the FLES program, uh, over the past five or six years.
Um, and, um, I, I was in the category of somebody who was supportive of, of trying it. Um, I think we should all recognize the enormous promise that it held and that we all share the goals of the program.
Um, I, I try to stay in close, um, contact with the parents of our district whom we're representing.
Um, I'm, you know, if you know me, I'm constantly asking questions about how programs are going for parents, taking temperatures of things, uh, trying to measure public opinion, not just talking to my friends, not just talking to my kids, classmates, but like a wide variety of parents all the time. Um, and from the feedback that we received, the valuable feedback we receive on this committee, uh, I've noticed a very marked change in, uh, what I've seen in terms of public opinion towards us. Um, I, I, I, I've never heard anything negative about the teachers who I've heard are phenomenal, uh, nothing like that. But in terms of the ethic, the perceived efficacy of the program itself, um, it went from parents, I think in this district being overwhelmingly supportive and optimistic about the potential for their kids to learn a second language and have that exposure, um, to where we are now, which I think is, um, overwhelmingly skeptical, um, about those benefits.
And I think the reason we have to look no further than the structure of the program, um, we're only offering it once a week, but even twice a week. Um, we've talked a lot about the research about the value of bilingual education.
I don't doubt the value of bilingual education.
Uh, I think it's wonderful. I think it's helpful, but, uh, you know, the, the corollary to that is those same research studies we've been talking about. They all find you need a certain level of immersion and re in constant reinforcement.
And, you know, through no fault of the teachers in the program, um, through no fault of anyone, we're just not able to provide it at that level.
And so I think I, there is a world in which I would have potentially been supportive of giving that a go if we were willing to make other trade-offs, but that's just not where we are.
And, um, when we see it laid out like this in terms of cuts, the 1B option, uh, just looks much cleaner to me and we can preserve more. Um, we can reduce those already astronomical fees.
Um, and, um, the list of contingency cuts in option 1C were, um, for me beyond the pale, whereas 1B were much more palatable and cutting class would allow us to have that.
So that's my rationale.
Thank you.
Okay.
Uh, thank you, Dan. And, um, I'm going to call an Avi and then I think, um, I would like to jump in as well.
So go ahead, Avi.
Thanks, Julie.
Um, I'll start by saying, um, one of the many reasons I support 1B is, is similar to what Dan just said.
The athletic fees and transportation fees are not increased in that item. Also, I think we have a responsibility to weigh a lot of different things in making this budget. And to me, one of those things is the, uh, you know, the financial strain that we place on families.
Um, I'll, I'll segue that into, um, with all due respect, you know, I know Alan had mentioned being, you know, that we were invited into plus classrooms.
Uh, I think being in the classrooms in this district and in the buildings, this district is, you know, phenomenal way for school committee members to get to see firsthand the great work that all of our educators do and our building administrators do and our IAs do and everybody.
But I also think though, that if, cause, cause where, where I might be looking at this from a slightly different angle than some folks, I see a lot of value in FLESS.
I, I, and, you know, I guess similar to what Adam had to say, I believe in FLESS. I, I do not believe that FLESS is a, a program that does not have value to our district.
I actually don't want to minimize the value that I believe FLESS has to our district.
I just think it's a reality that we cannot afford all the things that we've traditionally had. I go back to the meeting that I was a part of and Julie, you were part of at Priorities, where we agreed with our FinCom peers that we need to start taking steps towards right sizing this district.
That's just a reality.
And I think part of that is looking at some of the services that we just unfortunately can't afford.
Um, I think that a robust, well-built out, well-funded foreign language and elementary school program would be terrific.
Um, but I don't, I don't see us being able to afford that.
And so when I see $190,000 as something that we're able to cut while removing a program that we weren't able to fully fund in the first place, it feels like a responsible cut to me. I want to, I want to ask Dr. Botello at the elementary, I mean, sorry, at the middle school and maybe even perhaps the high school.
I understand that would be a little bit more complicated to try to come up with right now. What person, what, what's the breakdown between Spanish and other foreign languages being taken? Like, for example, at the, at the middle school, what's the breakdown difference between French and Spanish?
Are they fairly, it's my understanding they're fairly comparable.
Is, is Spanish overwhelmingly?
Spanish is definitely the largest, definitely the largest.
Um, how much larger, I'm not sure if, uh, Kathleen Turner is right here.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. Uh, Ms. Turner.
Yeah.
Hi.
Um, in fact, Spanish and French are pretty equal. And the past few years, this year, senior year to jump ahead, actually, um, both Spanish and French have two AP sections and both Spanish and French have an honor section and both have standard sections.
They're pretty equal. I have, I think there are 60 kids in senior.
French.
Um, it has been almost neck and neck with fifth graders at the end of. Um, the FLESS program, choosing French to go into Spanish.
And I think Derek Ryan, our coordinator today said that the French enrollment was in the nineties and Spanish in the seventies going into sixth grade.
So, um, they are very.
Even, which is really unlike most districts where French is kind of on a downward trend and in French, it's been super solid and growing for recent history.
Um, and actually, can I ask one question while, since I'm here about this in the pre in the pre FLESS days, um, we had, uh, an exploratory program in fifth grade where students took a third or a third of a year, each of French, Spanish, and Mandarin so that they could decide which language to take when they got to sixth grade.
Um, if less were to be eliminated, um, if less were to be eliminated, which I could speak for hours on why it should not be.
Um, but.
Would we think about having some sort of fifth grade exploratory program so that students would have an opportunity to figure out what they would want to take, um, in sixth grade? Um, and also because I don't, I think someone mentioned before, Massachusetts does have straight, uh, frameworks for world languages that start in K and go through 12th.
Thank you so much, Ms. Turner.
Um, so that, that helps me also looking at, you know, the, the, what's going on past elementary school in our district.
So again, to me, when, when we were talking about a robust foreign language program in elementary school, I, I think we had visions that unfortunately we're never able to fund.
And so I, I, I think by the way, that to some degree pushes back to a pretty serious degree, pushes back on Alan's view of.
Or I guess Alan's view is that we should push.
We should funnel more kids towards Spanish. Again, these, that's a larger conversation to me. It doesn't, you could argue that teaching Spanish in elementary school has even less value for the kids who then go on and take a different foreign language.
Although I do, I do imagine that there's, there's still a benefit to taking, uh, some foreign language when you're younger and, you know, helping you later.
The fact just remains for me that it's a program that has tremendous value, but all of the things that we look at have tremendous value. And I can't overlook the prudent way in which the, these cuts have to be made.
So I, I would be one B very firmly.
Okay.
Thank you, Avi.
Uh, I think I've made it pretty clear that I think FLESS is an incredibly important program in the school district.
Um, I was really excited to go see the classes yesterday.
Of course, I'm not a teacher, but I saw many children requesting their favorite songs and dancing around and actually, you know, trying to speak Spanish to each other.
Um, I saw a gripping rendition of El Capibara con botas, a book that the fifth graders are working their way through.
and which I believe is also used in middle school French, if I'm not mistaken.
There's like a French version.
So, I mean, it was great to see the kids working their way through a simple little book like that.
I think that no one has questioned the importance of art, the importance of physical education, the importance of instrumental music.
I think all of these things are important, too.
We did not ask for any evidence to support us continuing these programs.
We just know that they're good.
We just know that instrumental music is good. We know it.
And that is how I feel about FLESS as well. And I think we have some evidence that shows that even if students are taking French in middle school, their performance still improves.
The kids who took more FLESS before it was cut did much better in Spanish and French than their peers who didn't take any FLESS.
And then when it was cut back, those students did better, but not as well.
So it's clearly related to how many times per week. I feel that this program was introduced with a full set of metrics and a full plan.
And it was sort of handicapped from the very beginning.
And we have what we have now.
And people are saying we don't have any evidence of its effectiveness when, in fact, it was specifically cut in such a manner as to limit any, you know, true discussion about that.
So it's been harmed from the start.
So I can see that there's a lot of support in the committee for budget option B. I do think that the benefit of budget option B is that it sort of spreads everything around a little bit.
And, of course, the lack of fee increases is a good thing, too. So I will, you know, go with the support of the committee on this.
But I just I really feel very strongly that this is this is a big opportunity that we're missing.
So if there's is there any further discussion on any of this?
Yeah, Shauna. I think we're I have a hard time with eliminating this for multiple reasons.
And also one that I do want to point out that we've missed are our students with special needs, our students who are in self-contained classes who not only may be learning their native language of English, but they're exposed to a different culture that is yet another special, another opportunity for them to have inclusion opportunities with their classmates.
In middle school, many of those students are shut out of languages just because of the pace. And quite frankly, where special education services need to come out of.
Usually language is the first thing that's cut.
They'll create language waivers.
And I think we're I think we're remiss to forget about this population.
And the impact that it has on them.
Thank you, Shauna.
Alan. Alan. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan. Alan.
Alan.
Yeah, I appreciate the discussion. I think it's a worthy discussion for the table. I do think at the end of the day, as Julie sort of indicated, but I'll say it more explicitly.
I think it's the will of the committee and I think it seems apparent, the will of the committee.
And I understand why this for one be, I would suggest that we should we should encourage a unanimous vote among the committee.
I think that it's important that we, given that there's no good options here, that we express that we are unified as to what we're going to go do and move forward, because.
Alan.
Alan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan. Alan.
I think the community needs to understand that, you know, we've made the best of a really difficult situation and that we're all kind of rolling in the same boat together. And that particularly with respect to the cuts that the FinCon may ask us to make.
There is no question that the cuts in the one B budget are far, I'm sorry, the one C budget are far, far worse.
So I just think at the end of the day, as good political bodies do, we should be unified.
Thanks. Thanks, Alan.
Shauna, did you want to say something?
I do.
Alan, I appreciate the sentiment.
I do. I think I am right now the lone member of one C.
And I have to say that I have a hard time, have a hard time with not representing people who have written in in support of less.
I think it is not representative of our entire community.
We have people who have written in, have shared data, have shared their stories.
And I can't, I can't not represent that, that population.
But let me just say real quickly, I agree. Shauna, I think I'd like to see us vote both options.
I think you're going to find I'm going to vote yes for C. But if that were to fail, then I would, I would suggest the group that we should probably unify around B. So maybe with that, since nobody else has their hand down. I guess I would, I would move that the committee consider in turn first option budget option 1C. And then should that not have a majority, we consider budget option 1B.
Do we want to just make sure everybody, is there any, does everybody know what they're voting for in terms of 1B and 1C and the fact that the additional cuts are on the list?
Do we want to go over that one more time?
Or does everybody feel comfortable with that?
Good. Okay.
All right. So there is a motion on the table to first vote on budget option 1C.
Is there a second to this motion?
Second.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
Dan.
No.
Okay.
Shauna.
Can I ask a question?
I asked a question.
Too late.
Yeah. Yes, you can ask a question.
Are we still having a conversation about fees after this?
Or is this? Yes. But the fees would be, depending on what we have here, the fees would be that, like, if we're taking option B, which doesn't have the athletic or transportation fee, that's actually a good question.
If we take option B, if we take option B, and we don't have an athletic fee increase, then tonight we will only look at the club fee and the ECC fees.
However, if we do need to do the 3.56%
budget, then at a later date, we would have to vote the increased athletic fees and transportation fees.
Does that make sense? Yes.
But we don't need to vote on them tonight because we haven't imposed them in the budget.
Right.
Got it?
Yes.
Is kindergarten on the table still in this fee discussion?
No.
Kindergarten's not on the table.
I can pass if you want me to pass.
No.
Wait. I'm voting for 1C. You're voting for 1C? Okay. Yes.
Okay. Thank you. Alan?
Yes.
Okay.
Avi?
No.
Jeremy?
No.
Adam?
Adam?
Adam? I know.
I'm thinking about it. I really want to abstain so that I don't have to vote no, but I'll vote no.
Okay. So, I mean, even with my vote doesn't actually matter.
So, I'll vote yes.
But I think that we will now move on to budget option 1B.
And Alan has already made the motion.
It's already been seconded. So, I'm going to go around again with a roll call in favor of option 1B. Dan?
Yes. Shauna?
Shauna?
No.
Okay.
Alan?
Yes.
Avi?
Yes.
Jeremy?
Yes.
Adam?
Yes.
And I'm a yes.
So, the motion passes 6 to 1.
We will present this option 1B with the 4% and then the additional finance committee cuts on Monday at the finance committee meeting.
Thanks, everyone.
I think that I appreciate the amount of time and thought that went into this discussion.
So, moving along, we are now going to look at the fiscal 26 fees.
So, is that Peter?
Is that you?
Ellen's going to go over that. Yep.
Hi.
Jane's going to put up some slides.
Okay.
Next slide, please. So, for tonight, based upon the school committee's vote of the budget, my recommendation would be no increase for athletics.
The athletics would stay the same.
Next slide, please.
Transportation fee would remain unchanged also at $600 per student.
Next slide, please. For the early childhood center, my recommendation stands with the increase from to $4,931 for the five half-day program and the increase to $10,762 for the five full-day program.
Next slide, please. And with respect, next slide, please.
With respect to the high school and middle school clubs and activities, I went back and did look at what Acton-Voxborough does.
As we've spent some time discussing and looking at them closely, they have a, for their tier two type clubs and activities, they have a $50 activity fee. And that provides unlimited enrollment in as many tier two clubs and activities as a student wants to participate in.
But keeping in line with the original recommendation of having a $100 activity fee for the tier one programs, examples of drama, music, it would be $100 with a cap of $200 per student.
However, the student would also have unlimited enrollment in any tier club and activities as many as they wanted to, as many as they wanted to participate in.
So that is my recommendation.
And if nobody else has a question, right, the second, can I ask a question?
Yeah, okay.
So is yearbook a club or is it an elective?
Because I know you can sign up for it as an elective, but I wasn't clear on it. Because if it's an elective, then do you have to pay a club fee for it?
So if it's an elective and it's a class, no.
The yearbook is, I believe, at middle school.
They run it as an after-school club. Oh.
And some kids at the high school might participate in it as a club versus an elective class. Oh, okay.
Okay. I just didn't know.
Jeremy, did you have a question?
Yeah.
And so for tier one, if there are three drama performances, does that mean if someone's in all three, they would be $200?
Correct. Okay. So if there's three and it would be, they would only pay for, you know, for the first two, and then they would be capped.
And again, they would be able to participate in as many of the tier twos as they would want to.
With no additional charge of the $50.
Okay. And then if they paid $200, then they could be in as many tier two clubs as they want to.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And even if they just paid $100 to participate in drama and music, again, they would be able to have unlimited enrollment in the tier two clubs and activities.
We're not going to, you know, penalize, you know, anymore.
It would just be $100 for, you know, for the drama.
They could also enroll in clubs and activities as well. And if they were going to do a second drama or a music, then it would just be another $100 and then it would be capped.
Okay.
Are there any other questions?
Oh, we're still doing it early childhood.
Sorry, Ellen. We already did early childhood.
Oh, we did. Okay. Sorry.
Oh, slides.
All right.
If there's no more questions, I think we can, if everybody feels comfortable, I'll accept a motion.
Would anyone like to make a motion to approve these fees?
Is it all fees as proposed?
Correct.
Is that the motion? Okay. Just so I can get it. So motion to accept all fees recommended tonight as. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying, Jane.
Is there a motion for that?
There's no motion.
Okay.
Then is there a continued discussion on the club fees and the ACC fees? Okay.
I will make a motion to approve the fees as presented.
Is there a second?
Second.
Thanks, Dan.
I will start the roll call.
Dan.
Yes.
Thank you.
Shauna.
No.
Okay.
Alan.
Yes.
Avi. Yes. I assume a no vote here, Dr.
Botello.
Leaves you with an amount in the budget you need to find.
Remind me that dollar amount.
It would be 25.
Oh, sorry. Okay.
Dr.
Botello. Do you want me to answer?
Yeah. For the, for the clubs, it would be 25,000.
Right. And it would be 30,000 for the ECC.
Okay. So alone, it would be 25,000 that would have to be found.
For the clubs.
I'm going to vote. I'm going to vote. I'm going to vote. No. Jeremy.
Yes.
Adam.
I have a quick, quick question.
Ellen.
Can you just speak very quickly to. club fees with regard to kind of scholarship options or, you know, any students who need financial assistance?
All right.
So I am anticipating that we will. It is likely that we will take in, you know, slightly more than the $25,000 that we have projected.
My, our intention would be we have scholarship opportunities for all of the other areas that we charge fees for. We would, we would definitely have scholarship opportunities for, for the high school, middle school clubs and activities.
Even without available funding, you know, we are very, very much in support of all of our students, regardless of financial ability to pay.
Students would still have the opportunity as well, you know, through the free and reduced program.
But regardless, no student would be turned away because they would not be able to pay the fee.
Thank you. Then I vote yes.
Okay.
Thank you, Adam.
And I am a yes.
So the motion passes five to two.
All right.
Good work guys.
And the, we have a few decision items.
So I'm just going to, those are minutes.
So I would like to accept a motion to approve the minutes of February 26, 2025.
So moved.
Second. Thank you. Thank you, Dan. Yes. Yes.
Yes. Shauna.
Shauna. Are you there?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. Yes.
Yes. Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Good.
Um, uh, Alan.
Yes.
Alan.
Yes.
Yes. Avi.
Yes. Yes.
Jeremy.
Yes.
Adam.
Yes.
Okay.
And I'm a yes.
I'll accept a motion to approve the minutes of March 3rd, 2025. Second.
Second.
Thank you. Sorry. You can't approve those. Because I don't think. Wait, we didn't get those. Yeah. Oh, we didn't get those. I'm sorry.
I'm just going down the agenda. Okay. I'd love if they were done. I would love if they were done. That's okay. That's, I, you, you, you already told me that. Okay.
So, um, now we need to, um, I'll accept the motion to approve the new SAF clubs for 2024-25.
So moved.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Dan.
Yes.
Shana.
Wait, one more time.
Um, this is to approve the new clubs, student activity fund clubs.
No.
No.
Okay.
Allen.
Yes.
Abby.
Yes.
Jeremy.
Yes.
And Adam.
Yes.
And I'm a yes. Okay.
The motion passes, um, announcements and updates.
Um, I know that Cinderella is going on at the middle school.
Adam.
Is there, are there any tickets left? Uh, I, I do not have an update.
I know that Thursday and Sunday were sold out. Um, I'm not sure how many remain for Friday.
Okay.
Well, um, congratulations and break a leg to our middle schoolers.
Um, is, uh, any other announcements or updates?
No, seeing none, I will accept a motion to adjourn.
So moved.
Thank you. Thank you. Dan.
Yes.
Shana.
Yes.
Allen.
Yes.
Avi.
Yes.
Jeremy.
Yes.
Adam.
Yes.
And I'm a yes. Goodbye, everybody.
See you in a couple of weeks.
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