School Committee - December 17, 2025
School Committee, 12/17/25 - Meeting Summary
Date: 12/17/25
Type: School Committee
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Meeting Summary — Sharon School Committee (from provided transcript)
Meeting date/time: 12/17/2025
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Meeting Metadata
- Date & time: December 17, 2025 (evening meeting; start of meeting shown in transcript)
- Location / format (if stated): Remote (Zoom); broadcast/recorded by Sharon TV
- Attendees (by role; note absences if stated):
- School Committee members: Avi (Chair), Alan (member), Julie (member), Jeremy (member), Georgeann (member), Adam (member), Dan (member).
- Absences: Not stated in transcript.
- Superintendent: Dr. Botello (appears as superintendent throughout)
- Facilities/Operations: Curtis St. Onge (facilities/technical speaker)
- Finance/Operations: Ellen Wittemore (appears in discussions about facilities/supplies)
- Curriculum/Instruction leadership: Dr. Jocelyn (presenter on math curriculum), Tina Kemp (Ms. Kemp; elementary math coordinator/lead on review)
- Student Services: Astrid Mazuriegos (director; presenter)
- Student representative: Lassie Alom (senior, Student Advisory Committee)
- Administration/Other staff: Megan (technical support/slide operator), Ms. Keenan (mentioned, involved with fee/club discussion), other administrators referenced (names in transcript)
- Student presenters (public comment/petition segment — later considered under agenda item): Thomas, Arna, Nolan (SHS seniors; club fee petition presenters)
- Note: Public commenters (members of public, teachers, parents) appeared in the transcript but public comment is excluded from the required summary content per instructions.
- School Committee members: Avi (Chair), Alan (member), Julie (member), Jeremy (member), Georgeann (member), Adam (member), Dan (member).
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Agenda Overview (One-line bullets)
- Student petition on club & activity fees (presentation by high school students)
- Correspondence / Student Representative report
- Superintendent general updates (including East Elementary heating incident update)
- Facilities report on East Elementary heating unit (presentation by Curtis St. Onge)
- Math curriculum review update and pilot recommendation (presentation by Dr. Jocelyn & Ms. Kemp)
- Student Services update (presentation by Astrid Mazuriegos)
- Budget update — updated recommended budget, offsets, and possible reductions
- Executive session motion to discuss litigation and collective bargaining (legal matters)
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Major Discussions
Topic: Club & activity fees (student petition) What triggered the discussion:
- Presentation by three SHS seniors (Thomas, Arna, Nolan) delivering a petition proposing a change to the club fee structure. Key points debated (neutral, concise bullets):
- Students proposed replacing the tiered club fee system with a flat $50 per student per year for unlimited club participation.
- Students presented signature counts and surveys they had collected and argued the tiered fees risked reducing participation and creating a “pay to participate” culture.
- Students requested better notice/transparency when fee policies change.
- Administration acknowledged the students’ work and signaled willingness to evaluate the proposal and communicate flexibility for this year. Member Contributions & Stances:
- Avi (Chair): Praised the students’ presentation as exceptionally thorough and constructive; thanked them for their work. (positive/supportive)
- Alan: Praised the quality of the students’ presentation and their thoughtfulness; encouraged ongoing engagement and feedback from students and families. (supportive)
- Julie: Praised the students and asked a clarifying question about fairness of a flat fee across different club tiers; received an answer from student presenters and expressed appreciation. (supportive / inquisitive)
- Jeremy: No contribution recorded for this topic.
- Georgeann: Praised student presenters, expressed support for students’ access to clubs and stated personal opposition to club fees; offered encouragement to students to continue engagement. (supportive / opposed to fees)
- Adam: No contribution recorded for this topic.
- Dan: Expressed appreciation for organization and research; suggested administration (Dr. Patel / Ms. Keenan) meet with students to evaluate proposal and consider follow-up — asked administration to present recommendations. (constructive / requests follow-up)
- Additional: Superintendent and Ms. Keenan (administration) responded — noted ability to offset this year’s gap via unfilled admin positions and offered flexibility (possible delay or reconsideration); agreed to follow up with students. Areas of Agreement/Disagreement:
- Agreement: Committee members praised the students’ work; general agreement to evaluate the proposal further and the need for transparency on fees.
- Disagreement: No explicit vote or formal disagreement recorded; some members (Georgeann) explicitly opposed club fees; administration noted financial constraints and the expectation that fees were chosen due to fiscal tradeoffs. Key Quotes (verbatim, only if certain):
- “This would essentially get rid of the tier system for clubs entirely, which we believe is a net benefit.” — Thomas (student presenter) Outcome / Next steps:
- Administration (Dr. Botello and Ms. Keenan) to speak with the students to evaluate the proposal and consider follow-up; administration indicated there is some flexibility this year (possible offsets via unfilled positions) and offered to present recommendations at a logical follow-up. (Owner: Dr. Botello / Ms. Keenan; timing: follow-up meeting / future communications — no exact date stated)
Topic: East Elementary heating system incidents and facilities response What triggered the discussion:
- Superintendent update referencing recent East Elementary incidents and a facilities report by Curtis St. Onge detailing pipe burst, black substance, arcing/smoke event and repairs. Key points debated (neutral, concise bullets):
- Sequence of incidents described: burst pipe and flooding (Dec 14, 2024), subsequent heater/radiator problems over 2024-25 and 2025 leading to an arcing/smoke event on Dec 9, 2025 and full school evacuation.
- Facilities actions taken: system flush over the summer, repairs to coil, contractor response to transformer/arc event, part ordered and installed same day (classroom back in service by end of day).
- Administration acknowledged staff hardship and committed to follow-up: superintendent to visit East, meet with staff, and provide an East heating system report at upcoming meeting(s).
- Several committee members raised concerns about long-term facility planning, preventive maintenance, district capital priorities, classroom temperature policies, student supports after traumatic events, and need for accessible emergency funding for facilities repairs. Member Contributions & Stances:
- Avi (Chair): Noted he had been briefed, arranging a meeting between STA leadership and the school committee leadership; reiterated importance of the issue and planned visit to East. (lead/liaison; supportive of swift action)
- Alan: Asked for administration’s perspective on temperature thresholds and how school handles rooms that are too cold (requested presentation/discussion on Jan 7). Asked about supports for students/families after traumatic events. (questions on policy and supports)
- Julie: Echoed concerns; requested long-term plan/more movement on elementary master plan and capital investments; emphasized teacher and student safety and morale. (urged long-term solutions)
- Jeremy: No contribution recorded for this topic.
- Georgeann: Asked for long-term solution and action on maintenance priorities; expressed that teachers and children should not face ongoing safety uncertainties; asked to see movement on elementary master plan. (demanded long-term action)
- Adam: Strongly urged prioritizing safety and ensuring administrators/facilities have resources to act quickly; requested clearer articulation to the town of facility needs. (advocated for increased budget/resources for maintenance)
- Dan: Asked whether issues were due to age of equipment or random incidents and whether East was disproportionately affected; Curtis answered that the problem can occur in any building; discussed prior coil problems at other schools; asked if problems are baseline vs. building-specific. (technical questions)
- Additional staff contributions:
- Curtis St. Onge (Facilities): Described technical sequence (loss of power led to circulator pump shutdown → coil crack; later transformer arced causing smoke/fire; contractors responded; parts ordered and installed same day); described preventative maintenance (system flush done over summer) and the ongoing balance between preventive and reactive maintenance.
- Ellen Wittemore: Added historical context, confirmed preventive work done, noted HVAC capital outlay funds used for preventative maintenance and replacements, and acknowledged that such failures occur elsewhere but pledged replacement of damaged classroom items and commitment to ongoing oversight.
- Superintendent (Dr. Botello): Confirmed meeting with STA leadership, planned visit to East, committed to East heating system report at the next meeting (Jan 7) and additional information to the committee; affirmed follow-up with facilities and fire department coordination.
- Astrid (Student Services): Indicated counselor involvement and plans for classroom visits and having Curtis and a fire personnel speak to students to reassure them; noted district counseling support. Areas of Agreement/Disagreement:
- Agreement: Need to address safety and to thoroughly investigate and remediate issues at East; consensus to follow-up with detailed report and to provide student supports.
- Disagreement: No explicit formal disagreement on facts; some members pushed for more immediate budgetary solutions and more aggressive capital approaches while administration explained current preventive steps and limitations. Key Quotes (verbatim, only if certain):
- “We were lucky enough that today, by the end of the day, the part had arrived and the company had sent out a tech to replace the part in the classroom. So that classroom is back up and running correctly at the moment.” — Curtis St. Onge Outcome / Next steps:
- Superintendent to visit East (owner: Dr. Botello — stated “I’ll be over there tomorrow”) and provide an East Elementary heating system report at the next meeting (stated plan: report on Jan 7 — Owner: Superintendent / Facilities).
- Administration (Curtis and Ellen) to provide the committee with a detailed description of current preventative maintenance practices, potential more aggressive options, how they fit into operations vs. capital funding, and what resources would be required (Owner: Curtis / Ellen / Dr. Botello; timing: upcoming meetings — Jan 7 and/or subsequent budget meetings).
- Student services/counseling supports to be provided on-site (Owner: Astrid / East principal / school counselors), and staff will coordinate classroom visits with fire personnel to reassure students.
Topic: Math curriculum review and pilot recommendation What triggered the discussion:
- Presentation (report) by Dr. Jocelyn and Tina Kemp (Ms. Kemp) updating the committee on a multi-month elementary math curriculum review and recommending three programs for pilot: Envisionist Plus, Eureka Math Squared, and Reveal Math. Key points debated (neutral, concise bullets):
- Review process: representative committee, rubric guided by district improvement priorities, vendor presentations, family/teacher/student input, review of high-quality materials lists; timeline to pilot in 2026-27 and implement districtwide in 2027-28 if selected.
- Rationale for chosen pilots: student-centered problem-based learning, supports for diverse learners, spiral review, UDL features, stronger digital tools, teacher usability.
- Pilot design: 12 pilot classrooms per program (2 per grade K–5; representation across elementary schools), visits to peer districts, stakeholder feedback; assessment through instructional evidence and stakeholder input (not via direct standardized comparison due to sequencing differences).
- Cost estimates: FY27 pilot costs ~ $9,500 (materials) + ~$15,800 (PD) ≈ ~$25,000; FY28 implementation cost range presented (approx. low ~$260,000 to high ~$320,000 for full adoption, with caveats on inflation and student counts). Option to remain on Math Expressions (2018) would be less robust but cheaper; continuing with 2018 has trade-offs (no updated teacher guides, older platform). Member Contributions & Stances:
- Avi (Chair): Introduced presentation, thanked presenters, and later thanked team for the work. (supportive)
- Alan: No contribution recorded for this topic.
- Julie: Asked clarifying questions about cost structure and payment timing (is the listed cost over three years? how is it paid?), expressed appreciation for the thorough approach. (inquiring/supportive)
- Jeremy: Asked substantive questions about evidence base/research support for selected programs (Curate/EDReports comparisons) and how the committee’s rubric differs from external reviews; sought clarification about program evidence. (inquisitive; emphasis on research basis)
- Georgeann: No contribution recorded for this topic.
- Adam: Praised the process and thanked presenters and team; supportive of continuing the method used for ELA. (supportive)
- Dan: Asked whether structured, regular homework would be included and whether homework resources would be readily assignable; asked why Illustrative Math (Kendall Hunt / other vendors) was not piloted and referenced other districts using it. (inquisitive; asked for rationale re: omitted curricula) Areas of Agreement/Disagreement:
- Agreement: Committee members praised the inclusive process, the representative team, and the quality of the top three pilot choices; general agreement on next steps (pilot planning, PD, teacher recruitment).
- Disagreement: No formal disagreement; members requested more detail on evidence (how external ratings compared to committee’s rubric) and on cost/payment logistics. Key Quotes (verbatim, only if certain):
- “All of the programs that we vetted are drawn from the high quality instruction material from the state.” — Dr. Jocelyn (paraphrase of presentation claim; quote used only where speaker is clear) Outcome / Next steps:
- Administration to finalize pilot PD plans, recruit pilot teachers, schedule peer-district visits, and conduct pilots in 2026-27; present pilot outcomes and final recommendation for adoption to the committee in time for a July 1 purchase for September 2027 implementation if selected. (Owners: Dr. Jocelyn, Tina Kemp; timing: pilot recruitment & PD planning in coming months; piloting in 2026-27)
- Administration to provide clearer detail on:
- Evidence base vs. external reviews (clarify how district rubric differs from Curate/EDReports) — Owner: Dr. Jocelyn / Ms. Kemp
- Cost/payment structure and multi-year contract details (owner: finance + curriculum team)
Topic: Budget and spending (updated recommended budget, offsets, and potential reductions) What triggered the discussion:
- Superintendent presentation of updated recommended budget, offsets, list of possible reductions, and proposed initial reductions/offsets to reach an anticipated target (discussion included district priorities context and town “priorities” allocation numbers). Key points debated (neutral, concise bullets):
- Summary figures presented: level-service increase would be ~3.69%; requested additions add ~1.67% (total about 5.78%); some offsets (supplies/materials reallocation, special education grant use, retirement/lane-change adjustments, bus fuel credits) reduce to ~4.37%.
- Town priorities guidance discussed: initial “target” 2.7% shown at priorities meeting; town administrator and others indicated a likely higher “priorities” number (3.4% mentioned as a plausible outcome). Superintendent provided an initial package of reductions/offsets that would align to a ~3.4% target.
- Categories analyzed: legally/contractually mandated costs; expected discretionary but commonly provided services; and truly discretionary items (electives, athletics, specialist positions, curriculum coordinators). Superintendent presented examples of cuts (elementary section adjustments, not filling certain requested positions, adjusting supplies/professional development budgets) that could meet a ~3.4% target without more drastic cuts.
- Committee debate focused on (a) whether to plan down to the conservative 2.7% target now or plan around the more-likely 3.4% number, (b) priorities and trade-offs (class sizes vs. specialists vs. breadth of offerings), (c) facilities and maintenance funding and the need to ensure resources for safety/repairs, (d) the process/timeline and need for clearer, digestible materials for town officials/FinCom. Member Contributions & Stances:
- Avi (Chair): Framed the budget conversation and sought committee direction on whether to ask the superintendent to prepare detailed budget scenarios (2.7% vs. 3.4%); defended process and encouraged a constructive menu-of-options approach. (moderating; procedural)
- Alan: Praised student presenters earlier; on budget asked for more detail on temperature policy in relation to East (facilities), advocated for clarity on reporting and response to facility issues, and supported engagement with students/community. (questions on policy & supports; constructive)
- Julie: Expressed skepticism about over-responding to the 2.7% “priorities” number (called it effectively arbitrary until town finalizes), urged not to cut core offerings preemptively, stressed possible negative impacts of cutting electives/APs on district standing/college reporting, questioned value of spending significant admin/committee time on very conservative scenarios. (cautionary; protective of programs)
- Jeremy: Supported modeling trade-offs; advocated for prioritization and for clear granularity on elective enrollment sizes and impacts; emphasized need for comparative norms and asked for more detail on what 2.7% would mean in practice. (analytical; in favor of prioritization)
- Georgeann: Urged greater movement on long-term facilities solutions and a focus on safety funding; supported clear articulation of resources needed to town; supported students and staff impacted by East incidents. (advocate for facilities funding and safety)
- Adam: Urged administration to clearly present facilities needs and the required funding to maintain safe operations; supported making sure administrators have resources for immediate repairs; emphasized transparency to the town. (pro-resources for maintenance)
- Dan: Asked specific questions about certain line items (use of the 240 special education entitlement grant to fund a 6.5 FTE special education position) and requested more data on specific programs (e.g., football costs, school psychologist position, staffing trade-offs). Asked for additional detail on psychologist position’s net cost/impact (requested Astrid & administration prepare numbers). (detail-oriented; requested financial rationale) Areas of Agreement/Disagreement:
- Agreement: Committee members agree on need for a clear menu of trade-offs, transparent information, and for administration to provide clearer materials to the town and committee; consensus on prioritizing student safety and core instruction.
- Disagreement: Members differed on whether to prepare a detailed 2.7% scenario now (some viewed it as premature), and on degree to which the committee should start cutting toward 2.7% before the town’s final priorities number is known. Key Quotes (verbatim, only if certain):
- Not included — committee discussion included paraphrased positions and questions; no single short verbatim quote was cited as essential in the transcript for this section. Outcome / Next steps:
- Superintendent will produce more detailed analyses and options (including what deeper cuts to reach 2.7% would mean) and provide clearer materials on facilities maintenance needs and preventative vs. capital options (Owner: Superintendent and Ellen/Curtis; timing: next meetings / budget subcommittee follow-ups).
- Administration to provide:
- A more digestible 2.7% and 3.4% scenario/menu with prioritized trade-offs and projected impacts for committee and town (Owner: Dr. Botello / Finance; timing: forthcoming meetings, including ongoing budget subcommittee work).
- More detail on the school psychologist position costs and the net benefit/alternatives (Owner: Astrid / Dr. Botello; timing: next meeting).
- Clarify special education grant (240 grant) capacity and sustainability of using it to offset a portion of special education staffing (Owner: Ellen / Astrid; timing: follow-up conversation — transcript indicates this is an annual entitlement and sustainable for the described purpose).
Topic: Student Services update (DESE corrective action checkpoint & program updates) What triggered the discussion:
- Presentation/update by Astrid Mazuriegos (Director of Student Services) on DESE corrective action plan checkpoints, meet-and-greets, reverse inclusion, early childhood transitions, staff training opportunities (Orton-Gillingham), and staffing status. Key points debated (neutral, concise bullets):
- District is meeting DESE checkpoints; next checkpoint Jan 9.
- Reverse inclusion initiatives underway (bringing typical peers into specialized settings for structured activities).
- DESE offered Orton-Gillingham training; two staff signed up; goal to train special educators in Orton-Gillingham and Wilson over next several years.
- Staffing status: generally improved, with minor outstanding needs (one IA vacancy at the middle school, short-term special educator cover for maternity leave, new PT hire underway). Member Contributions & Stances:
- Avi (Chair): Thanked Astrid and acknowledged update. (acknowledgement)
- Alan: No contribution recorded for this topic.
- Julie: Asked about Orton-Gillingham training details and in-house training plans; Astrid described training and goals. (inquisitive/supportive)
- Jeremy: No contribution recorded for this topic.
- Georgeann: No contribution recorded for this topic.
- Adam: Asked briefly about staffing overall; Astrid reported improved staffing with a few vacancies being addressed. (question/supportive)
- Dan: No contribution recorded for this topic. Areas of Agreement/Disagreement:
- Agreement: District is on track with DESE actions and making progress on training and reverse inclusion.
- Disagreement: None recorded. Key Quotes (verbatim, only if certain):
- Not included. Outcome / Next steps:
- Astrid will present evidence at DESE checkpoint (Jan 9) and continue outreach, reverse inclusion messaging to families, and training efforts (Owners: Astrid and Student Services team).
Topic: Student Representative report (SHS activities) What triggered the discussion:
- Student representative (Lassie Alom) presented a summary of high school activities, sports, club events, fundraisers, and community engagement. Key points (presentation only — brief):
- Summary included spirit week activities, fundraisers for local Gift for Kids program, many club and athletic events and successes (Cyber Security Club first in Massachusetts, wrestling and basketball results), upcoming concerts and student community service. Member Contributions & Stances:
- Avi (Chair): Thanked student rep for thorough presentation. (acknowledgement)
- Alan, Julie, Jeremy, Georgeann, Adam, Dan: No contributions recorded specifically under the student rep update. Outcome / Next steps:
- No specific action items beyond acknowledgement and continued student engagement.
Topic: Legal matters / Executive session motion What triggered the discussion:
- Motion presented at end of the meeting to enter executive session under M.G.L. c.30A, §21(a)(3) for strategy re: litigation (2582CV00891) and strategy re: collective bargaining or litigation with the STA IA unit, with the chair declaring that open meeting may have detrimental effect and not to return to open session. Key points debated:
- Motion to move to executive session; no substantive debate recorded in the transcript beyond the motion and seconding and votes. Member Contributions & Stances:
- All committee members (Avi, Alan, Julie, Jeremy, Georgeann, Adam, Dan): participated in roll-call vote approving motion to move to executive session. Areas of Agreement/Disagreement:
- Agreement: unanimous approval to enter executive session as stated. Key Quotes (verbatim, only if certain):
- Not included. Outcome / Next steps:
- Motion passed; committee moved to executive session and did not return to open session per motion. (Vote recorded — see Votes section)
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Votes (Substantive items only; exclude routine votes on minutes, grants/donations, field trips)
- Motion: Enter executive session pursuant to M.G.L. c.30A, §21(a)(3) to discuss strategy with respect to litigation (2582CV00891) and to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation with the STA IA unit; chair declares that an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigation position of the Sharon School Committee; do not return to open session.
- Result: Passed unanimously (7–0)
- Roll-call by member:
- Avi — Yes
- Alan — Yes
- Julie — Yes
- Jeremy — Yes
- Georgeann — Yes
- Adam — Yes
- Dan — Yes
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Presentations Without Discussion (Brief)
- Student Representative report — Lassie Alom (student): Overview of SHS winter events, club activities, sports, fundraisers, community service, and recent student successes. (1–2 bullets)
- Highlighted winter spirit week, community fundraisers for local charities, club achievements (Cyber Security Club state/top results), and athletics updates.
- Note: Most other presentations (East facilities, math curriculum, student services, budget) generated substantive discussion and are captured in Major Discussions.
- Student Representative report — Lassie Alom (student): Overview of SHS winter events, club activities, sports, fundraisers, community service, and recent student successes. (1–2 bullets)
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Action Items & Follow-Ups
- Superintendent (Dr. Botello) to arrange/attend meeting between STA leadership and school committee leadership (status: in process; owner: Avi indicated arranging; transcript references Chair arranging).
- Superintendent (Dr. Botello) to visit East Elementary (stated: “I’ll be over there tomorrow”) and provide an East Elementary heating system report at the committee’s next meeting(s) (Owner: Dr. Botello; timing: next meeting — Jan 7 referenced).
- Facilities (Curtis St. Onge) and Administration to deliver a detailed description of current preventative maintenance practices, and outline more aggressive HVAC/maintenance options and associated costs to share with committee (Owner: Curtis / Ellen / Dr. Botello; timing: upcoming budget/operations meetings).
- Administration (Dr. Botello / Ms. Keenan) to meet with SHS student petitioners (Thomas, Arna, Nolan) to evaluate club fee proposal and report back with recommendations / potential timing for reconsideration (Owner: Dr. Botello / Ms. Keenan; timing: follow-up as indicated; no exact date stated).
- Curriculum (Dr. Jocelyn / Ms. Kemp) to finalize pilot professional development plans, recruit pilot teachers, and run the pilot in 2026–27; administration to provide clearer evidence comparisons and contract/payment details for pilot options (Owner: Dr. Jocelyn / Tina Kemp; timing: pilot planning now; pilot during 2026–27).
- Student Services (Astrid) to submit DESE checkpoint evidence on/for Jan 9 and continue reverse inclusion communications and training rollout (Owner: Astrid; timing: Jan 9).
- Finance/Administration (Ellen / Dr. Botello) to confirm and explain special education 240-grant capacity to fund a portion of special education staffing (owner: Ellen / Astrid; timing: follow-up).
- Administration to prepare details on the school psychologist position’s budgetary impact and justification for the next meeting (Owner: Astrid / Dr. Botello; timing: next meeting).
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Open Questions / Items Deferred
- Final town “priorities” allocation target (2.7% presented at priorities meeting vs. town-administrator-indicated likely ~3.4%): raised by multiple members (Julie, Jeremy, Georgianne, Adam); definitive number deferred until town/FinCom finalize (raised by multiple members; no final number stated in transcript).
- Long-term elementary facilities/master plan and funding strategy: raised by Georgeann and Julie; deferred pending detailed facilities/maintenance presentation and capital planning (owner: Dr. Botello / Facilities; timeline: upcoming budget sessions).
- Specifics and financial rationale for the proposed district psychologist position (Dan requested more details): deferred; Astrid/administration to prepare numbers and rationale (Owner: Astrid / Dr. Botello; timing: next meeting).
- Concrete 2.7% budget scenario (some members requested modeling to that target; others argued premature): deferred; administration will provide clearer menu and scenarios to inform committee decisions (Owner: Dr. Botello / Finance; timing: upcoming budget meetings).
- Clarification on payment terms and multi-year contract details for curriculum adoption costs (Julie requested); deferred to finance/curriculum team (Owner: Finance & Curriculum; timing: follow-up).
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Appendices (Optional)
- Glossary of acronyms mentioned (from transcript):
- DESE — Department of Elementary and Secondary Education (context: corrective action checkpoints, training opportunities).
- STA — Sharon Teachers Association (referenced regarding East matters and collective bargaining).
- CKLA — Curriculum program referenced historically (ELA curriculum rollout referenced in budget/curriculum context).
- OG — Orton-Gillingham (phonics training referenced by Student Services).
- Referenced documents (named in transcript):
- Student petition and written proposal on club fees (submitted by Thomas/Arna/Nolan; signatures noted in transcript)
- Elementary math curriculum pilot review materials and rubric (internal curriculum review documents referenced)
- Capital outlay presentation referenced earlier (not included in transcript text)
- Glossary of acronyms mentioned (from transcript):
Notes on reporting rules & verifiability
- Public comment content was present in the transcript but excluded per instruction (summary focuses on agenda items and committee/administration discussion).
- Votes excluded routine items (minutes, field trips, grants/donations) per instruction; the executive session vote is included as a substantive legal matter.
- All member contributions above are attributed only where recorded in the transcript. If a member did not speak on a topic in the transcript, the summary explicitly states “No contribution recorded for this topic.”
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SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All right.
Welcome to the December 17th, 2025 meeting of the Sharon School Committee.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This meeting will be conducted remotely over Zoom. Attendance by board members will be remote. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Remote attendance shall count towards the quorum. The meeting will be broadcast live SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: recorded by Sharon TV. If you elect to enable your webcam, your image and background, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: maybe broadcast with or without sound. As always, we'll begin with public comments.
I need a member SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of the school committee to keep time. We ask folks to limit their comments to two minutes SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and keep it within the purview of the school committee.
Other than that, I'm ready to kick SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it off. Is there anybody that's willing to keep time for me here on the committee? No, Adam normally, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Adam's here. I see his hand. I do suspect that there will be, I see some educators on here, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: obviously free to speak about anything.
I do suspect there'll be some conversation based on SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: some emails we saw about East Elementary.
I do just want to say to folks that I'm very aware SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of a meeting between the superintendent and the co-presidents of the STA regarding the matter. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I was briefed by both our superintendent and the head of facilities, who's also on this call.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: After that meeting, I also did have conversation by email with the co-presidents of the STA.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I'm in the process of arranging a meeting between the STA leadership and the school committee SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: leadership.
This is an issue that is very important to the district, very important to the school SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: committee and clearly very important for our educators. So I just wanted to say that before SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: opening a public comment. And without further ado, I will take Rachel Diamond. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. I would like to say that this comment and any others from East staff members tonight are SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: related to the agenda item 3A, your budget. I am reading a letter on behalf of kindergarten teacher SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jacqueline Haddigan. And I would like to ask if I may either read this letter in full or have SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: permission for other attendees to cede their time to me if they wish. So I may read her whole letter. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We can hear the whole letter. That's fine. Thank you. No problem. Dear Dr. Botello and Sharon school SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: committee members, my name is Jacqueline Haddigan, and I have been an educator in Sharon since 2014.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'm currently a kindergarten teacher at East Elementary School. I have been holding on to the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: hope that the district would make the right decision and put the health and safety of their youngest SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: learners first without me having to intervene. But that has not been the case for more than a year.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: On Saturday, December 14th, 2024, I received a phone call from Dr. Reynolds, and he informed me that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a pipe burst in my classroom.
The classroom was flooded, and we would have to relocate my SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: kindergarten classroom to the library. Additionally, he shared that we would not be able to return to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the classroom until repairs were done, and it was cleaned up. On that day, one to two inches of water SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with a black substance filled the classroom and cubby room. It ruined and saturated almost every piece SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of furniture and rug that was on the floor and left a disgusting pungent odor that filled the room.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: In addition, the water was so hot, and there was so much steam in the room that it left significant SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: damage to the materials hanging on the walls of the classroom and in the hall. The custodians did SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: their best to dry our classroom and deal with the muck, but most items had to be thrown away, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and tiles were popping off the ground in multiple places. On Sunday, December 15th, 2024, Dr. Reynolds, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dave Simpson, my husband, and I worked vigorously to set up a temporary classroom in the East Library.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It took hours to sort through what was left of my beautiful classroom. Everything was moved, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: trashed, and or displaced.
Over a decade of items that I personally bought, acquired, or created were SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: all ruined and gone. We moved the items that were left to the library to create and mimic SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a kindergarten classroom in a space that was simply not a classroom at all. We remained in the library SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: for the week leading up to December break, and were told that someone from E&E would be in to fix SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it over vacation.
On January 2nd, 2025, I came back from break, and all of my belongings were in my SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: classroom.
There was still a strong, pungent smell in the classroom.
There were also pieces of the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: heater still taken off, with a toy bucket of mine catching water as it slowly dripped out. There were SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: remnants of the black sludge and water damage all around. I had to personally clean and wipe down many SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: items before the kids came into school that day. Later that week, the temperature in the room was SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: extremely cold again, documented at 55 degrees during school hours, even though the radiator was SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: repaired, and we were cleared to be back in our classroom.
On February 28th, 2025, E&E was in our SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: classroom working to make further repairs to the radiator while the kids were in the classroom SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: trying to learn. The worker told me that they are just piecing together things so it will work and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: get us through the winter. He said that the whole unit needed to be replaced, but they would look to do SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that over the summer. As I packed up the classroom at the end of the 2024-2025 school year, I was told to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: leave everything off the heater as they needed to do repairs on it over the summer. Upon my return in SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the fall, everything was exactly how I left it, and it was clear that it was untouched.
Our custodians SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: confirmed that they cleaned what they could, but that there was no one from E&E that had been in to make SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the necessary repairs to the unit. Fast forward to December 5th, 2025, our first freezing cold day of the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school year. The students, two instructional assistants and I, were in the classroom.
The kids were doing SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: yoga on the floor as a movement break. All of a sudden, steam and hot water poured out of the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: radiator simultaneously.
It was blasting onto the floor and rapidly moving across the classroom.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We immediately started evacuating the kids to a nearby classroom, and then two or three teachers and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dr. Reynolds ran back in, and we were rushing to pull back rugs and shove furniture and rugs into the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: hall and neighboring rooms in hopes of preserving them. Dave Simpson shot off the radiator and started SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to clean and clear the water that was in there. It was that same black watery substance that was on SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the floors just a year ago. We all worked quickly to set up a space for the kids to function in, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and that happens to be the art room next door. We were there for the remainder of the day.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dr. Reynolds met with Tim, the Sharon Public Schools plumber, who said he would be in on Saturday SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the following day to replace the needed parts and fix the unit. On Monday, when I returned to school, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the heat was on, and I was told that we were all set to be in our classroom and everything was fixed SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and up and running. My instructional assistant and I moved everything back into the classroom that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: morning so the children could be in their comfortable and familiar space. On Tuesday, December 9, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: 2025, the kids were on the rug doing phonics with me and another instructional assistant in the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: classroom. They were all facing me as I was facing them and looking out to the rest of the classroom.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I looked over and saw what I thought was a lot of steam pouring out of the top of the radiator again.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I immediately evacuated the children into a neighboring classroom. Assuming that it was steam, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I went back into the classroom to try and preserve the items from potential water damage again.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Upon my arrival back to the room, there was a lot of black smoke coming out of the radiator and a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: strong plastic burning smell, and I knew in an instant that it was not steam but the start of a fire SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: which our custodian later confirmed was sparking and arcing. I ran to the neighboring classroom to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: tell a teacher to call Dr. Reynolds as we pulled the fire alarm. Everyone in the school had to be SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: evacuated and went outside to wait for the Sharon Fire Department to come and assess the situation.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Since the latest incident, we have been out of our room. We set up in another temporary classroom SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in a spare room at East. I have not been told a timeline other than within three to five days, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: parts should be in from E&E. The impact of these events continue to have on student learning and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: emotional well-being are significant.
How many more emergency repairs do we need to have before SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we act on replacing the unit as a whole? How much longer are we going to be reactive versus getting SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to the root cause and simply fixing the issue in the first place? These events continue to happen SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with five and six-year-old children present. They are wondering and questioning so many things about SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: their classroom and their belongings.
They are curious and worried about their own houses and if SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: this could happen there too. Most importantly, they're worried about their safety in our room SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and asking me if it will be safe to go back there this time or do I think that this radiator is going SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to break on us too while we are in our new temporary space. They shouldn't have these big wonders and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: worries at five and six years old. Not about school anyway. Never in my decade plus of being in Sharon SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: have I ever considered or felt compelled to share any matter publicly until these issues.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It is my daily responsibility to ensure the safety of our town's youngest learners and every day since SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: December 14th, 2024, I have wondered if I would be able to do that due to the state of this heating unit.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: These unprecedented events have become the norm in my classroom and we cannot keep putting these SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: vulnerable children at risk by patching and glazing this over. The answer is a simple one. Fix it the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: right way by the right professionals so we can safely move back into our kindergarten room once and for all.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you for taking the time to listen to this. I look forward to hearing from you and I'm eager to hear SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a plan for the future. Jacqueline Hadigan, kindergarten teacher, East Elementary School.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. Abigail Gay.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Good evening. My name is Abigail Gay. I am the kindergarten teacher adjacent to Jacqueline SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hadigan's classroom in East Elementary and the following is an abbreviated version SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of the letter that I sent to the school committee on December 15th. Dear Dr. Botello and members of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the Sharon School Committee, I am writing to raise awareness of the significant health and safety SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: concerns at East Elementary School. I have been a member of the East Elementary kindergarten team SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: since 2022. During my four years of service at East, I have witnessed multiple health and safety SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: concerns that are putting students and staff at risk. The most recent of these concerns are the burst SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: pipe and electrical fire that occurred in the heating unit of one of the kindergarten classrooms.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: These two issues occurred within a week of each other and the electrical fire resulted in a whole SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school evacuation.
These are merely the most recent and extreme examples of some of the health and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: safety concerns at East. Multiple classrooms have been impacted by burst pipes and the leaky roof. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The temperatures in all the classrooms vary widely. Recently, many educators, including myself, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: arrived at school to find their rooms as cold as 51 degrees Fahrenheit.
The heat in the gym is so SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: inconsistent that students have started wearing coats to PE. Meanwhile, in June of September, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I have experienced classrooms becoming so warm that students and staff walk around in a stupor, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: barely able to complete their day's activities.
In addition, the modular additions at East remain SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: attached and open to the school, despite being deemed uninhabitable several years ago because of mold.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The school committee website states that its members are committed to ensuring that every child, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: parent, and staff member has the best possible learning environment.
The conditions at East SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Elementary are far from the best possible learning environment.
Instead, they range from barely SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: functioning to clearly dangerous.
I call upon Dr. Botello and the members of the school committee to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: come to East, tour the building, and spend time in the classrooms.
I can only hope that what you see and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: experience for yourselves will spur you to action to fix the egregious conditions that East students and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: staff are dealing with on a daily basis.
Thank you. Perfect timing.
Thank you. Jessica Weiner.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. First and foremost, I want to thank the teacher that pulled the fire alarm at East Elementary, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the custodian that stopped the fire, the school administration for getting all the kids out safely in SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the Sharon fire department for their quick response. There is a problem at East Elementary with the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: heating system. I'm a parent of two students there. One classroom flooded somewhere 50 degrees, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and there was a fire. I'm not qualified to determine what is wrong and how to fix it, but as a parent and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a taxpayer, I'm qualified to say it's unsafe and unacceptable to expect our students and teachers to be in this SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: environment.
Please look into these issues immediately.
Put the real fix into place and not just a band-aid.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you for listening.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. Charlotte Hogan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hi. Thank you for letting me speak. My name is Charlotte Hogan. I want to address the issue regarding the lack SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of tissues at our schools. I know this is sort of off topic from East, but it's sort of becoming SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: like a tissue gate. For at least the past three years, by mid-December, Ms. Keenan and the front office SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: begin asking the PTSO for tissues. Obviously, if they're running out a third of the way through the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school year, it's definitely a problem.
The PTSO supports teachers, staff, and student-run groups and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: raises funds for supplemental educational materials and expenses.
Our organization relies solely on SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: parent donations and fundraising, all of which goes directly back to the school to provide items and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: experiences not provided by SPS operational budget, like scholarships, grants, educational speakers.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: In fact, we actually run all of our grant requests by Ellen to make sure that they're going to comply with SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: your budget in the future. So parents are donating money to the PTSO and we don't believe that we should SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: be buying tissues with the money that they're giving us for extra events and programs that we plan and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: organize.
The mission of the PTSO is not to supplement operational costs that come from SPS, as everybody knows.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Today, I went to Costco myself and I bought several cases of tissues. Another board member gave me some SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: money to supplement what I paid. Like everyone, I pay additional fees for sports, transportation, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: or parking at Sharon High. So it's a huge problem every year for the past three years. By December, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we're always asked for this. This is my last year volunteering for Sharon Schools. My youngest is SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: graduating, so I'm not going to be here next year to run to Costco, send out emails asking parents to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: donate for tissues.
So I'm really hoping that this year while you're reviewing the budget, you maybe SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: double your tissue budget. I know this is ridiculous and it sounds ridiculous that I'm even asking for SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: this. However, it seems to be a huge problem every year that is not being addressed.
And what I would SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: like to really say at the end of this all is to please make the lives of your staff and students easier SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and more sanitary by just making sure that they have these tissue boxes that last the entire year.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks for listening. Thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hi, Thomas.
Real quick.
I know Nolan is part of the same topic as yours, right?
Is Arna? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. Okay. So there's one person after you. I'm going to take them now. And actually, I received your SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: email.
And before I saw your second email, I did think having a larger spot with the student rep, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: or in this case, I can take the three of you together at the end of this segment here. And I think you put SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: together a very thorough set of thoughts for this committee.
And I appreciated your offer to take SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: questions from this committee. So I'm going to take Ms. Crosby, and then I'm going to come back to the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: three of you to end public comment. And I appreciate you all being here and the effort you put in to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the email that you sent us. All right. So Ms. Crosby. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's good. Thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks.
To follow up on what Charlotte just shared, I know I pointed out a couple years ago to this SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: committee that your supplies and materials budget had been cut to a very ridiculously low level.
And SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dr. Botello at the time insisted quite publicly that no, it was just right sized. I think what you SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: are seeing between the requests for basic supplies a third of the way through the year, as well as SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: repairs that clearly aren't being made, is a complete and continued failure by Dr. Botello and Ellen.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And again, warrants, as I said at my prior comments, strong consideration from this committee that he be SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: fired for cause. At this point, you all are, all of you really should be fired for cause, all of you being SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the school committee, but that's not possible, but it is possible to fire the person who's failing to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: assess needs properly.
You just had your capital outlay presentation.
It's not like what happened at SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the kindergarten wasn't known when you had your capital outlay presentation.
Why was that funding not SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: on your capital outlay presentation?
Crazy question.
You know who's responsible for putting that together?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dr. Botello and Ellen.
So again, I would like to point out that complete failure on their part, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: complete failure on your part. Please do your job. Please fire him for cause. Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All right.
So that, that is the end of public comment.
As far as the hands that are raised, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I see Thomas, Arna and Nolan, I'm going to unmute all three of you. And again, I appreciate the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: communication you sent us. So we'll keep it as brief as we can, but we're not running the clock. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thomas Arna and Nolan, I'll speak first.
My name is Thomas and I'm a senior at Sharon High School this SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: year. And we are here today to talk about a petition to adjust the club and activity fees for the high SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school and middle school. First of all, I'd like to thank all of the members of the school committee for SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: being receptive to hearing our petition.
And I would also like to thank all the members of the community, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: which includes students, parents, as well as faculty who have supported our efforts over the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: past few weeks. I would like to give a brief overview of our petition and our goals first.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then I'll ask Arna and Nolan to first give some insight into the student perspective on these fees, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: as well as some data that we have collected over the past few weeks.
And then we ask if you have any SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: questions, we can answer those questions at the end. So as you noted earlier, yesterday evening we sent SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a copy of our petition and our proposed motion to the school committee.
And earlier today we sent a copy SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of the signatures that we've collected, which includes 245 physical signatures and 203 electronic signatures.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: In the petition, we asked that the club fees be changed from the current tiered system to a flat rate SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of $50 per student per year, which would cover unlimited participation in clubs for that year.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This would essentially get rid of the tier system for clubs entirely, which we believe is a net benefit.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Arna will speak more about that on the student side and Nolan will speak more about that financially.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Arna will speak more about that in the future. We also ask that in the future, when the school committee implements SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: changes like these to fees, that reasonable notice be provided to parents and students.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Because even though these school committee meetings are recorded and they are open to the public, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the reality is that many parents just don't have the time to listen in on these meetings or look at the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: recordings after the fact. The vast majority of parents that we have spoken to, as well as many of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sharon High School students, mostly the underclassmen, were unaware that these club fees even existed until SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: very recently.
So even though we obviously believe that this lack of transparency is unintentional, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it still is unfair to many members of our community.
So overall, we are also just asking for SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: improved transparency when it comes to these fees. That is all from me. So once again, I'll ask Arna to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: speak about the student perspective on these fees. Thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hello everyone.
My name is Arna. I am a senior at Sharon High School.
I mean, obviously, but I am SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: part of many, many clubs and I'm here to share the student perspective on club fees. So club culture is SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: massive at Sharon High School. It's one of the core pillars of our community at the school that we have.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I know so many students that participate in at least one and the majority of students participate in SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: more than one club, probably multiple clubs. And it's a very important aspect of our culture because SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it's a way that lowers our stress. Sharon High School can sometimes be a very stressful environment, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: very high stakes for a bunch of the students. So having these clubs be accessible is really important SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in order to maintain a positive community. However, we really believe that these club fees are going to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: hinder the participation in clubs. Just some statistics that we've gathered.
For one of the clubs that we've SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: talked about, SMST, a club with 50 members, we did a form asking how club fees would affect their SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: participation.
Around 78.6% of SMST members said that club fees might cause them to reconsider participating in SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the club. So that's majority of the club would either have to drop out of the club or, you know, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: consider their participation.
The High School Talent, the school newspaper, conducted a poll with over 150 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: students regarding whether they would be more or less likely to participate in school clubs with a new SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: fee structure.
96.9% of the students said that this structure would prevent them from actively joining SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: clubs. If this fee structure continues, the district will still not receive the necessary funding because SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: students would simply stop participating.
Additionally, this creates a pay to participate system where SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: students are penalized for wanting to pursue extracurricular activities.
Regardless of the financial SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: support the school may provide for those students in need, it does not diminish the fact that the school SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: is charging kids for club participation.
I really think club participation in our school is one of the more SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: unique aspects that we bring to the community and that we bring to the schools even surrounding us.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We have so many accomplishments from so many different types of clubs. I myself am a deck of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: president. We've sent so many people to internationals.
I know Nolan, he's the captain of the mock trial, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and we sent our team to states, top public school in the state. There's so many accomplishments, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and it's because these students are allowed to flourish in these clubs and able to participate and be a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: part of as many clubs as they want to be. But if we do install these fees, especially the $100 for tier ones, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we're going to see a massive drop in the amount of students that are participating in these clubs, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: ruining the club culture that the vibrant club culture that Sharon's Sharon High School had. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I we do believe that this this current tier system is very detrimental to the way students SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: will view clubs at Sharon High School. The new system, $50 flat fee, Nolan's going to talk a little bit SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: more about the numbers behind why we think that will work. It's going to be more inclusive to all SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: types of students. A $50 flat fee to join unlimited clubs is fair to both the school committee, but it's SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: also fair to students.
It won't really hinder how many clubs they join, but rather will promote club SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: club participation.
Just paying one $50 flat fee will encourage students to join as many clubs as they SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: want to, boosting our club culture. I'm going to pass it off to Nolan now, and he's going to talk a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: little bit more about the numbers. Thank you, Arna and Thomas, so much. I think they did a fabulous SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: job explaining so far. And thank you, Mr. Shemtov and the rest of the school committee for allowing us SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the opportunity to speak as students.
This is a very important issue to us, and we appreciate that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we're given the opportunity to express our voices and have a say in, or at least the opportunity to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: speak in our town's politics. And so I'm going to talk a little bit about the numbers regarding this.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Of course, we acknowledge that we can't get rid of fees entirely because of funding issues, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and we understand that the state did not provide as much funding for the school district and the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school as we anticipated.
And so obviously there's an option between raising taxes SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: or implementing these new fees, and that came to a vote where they chose the fees. However, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: assuming only half of the SHS students participate in clubs, which is a low estimate because there are SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: so many students that participate in clubs right now, these $50 flat rate fees would raise over $33,000, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: exceeding the school committee's estimate, which was only $25,000. I just want to mention that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: these estimates are a drop in the bucket compared to the district budget, where these fees of around SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: $25,000 is only 0.04% of the annual operating budget of around $55 million.
Additionally, I wanted to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: mention that the Acton-Boxborough model, which this was implemented from, has fees which are substantially SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: less than the $100 imposed recommended fee. And so, and even those fees there, they're not work, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: they are working to secure financial funds, but they're decreasing club participation.
And SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: additionally, I just want to talk about the pay to participate structure that Thomas mentioned, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: where regardless of any financial support that will be given to students that can't afford or have SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: financial reasons that prevent them from being able to afford to participate in clubs, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: these students are made to feel like they're penalized for trying to join a club, which has SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: been noted as an extension of the academic environment.
And these clubs really help people SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: learn and they grow. And there's a lot of academic clubs, there's a lot of cultural clubs where people SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: feel a sense of like pride. And there's like the Black Student Union, Asian Student Union, all of these SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: different cultural unions, which makes people feel connected to their culture. And proposing a fee on SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that is basically diminishing the culture as a whole and saying that you're not allowed to be with SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: people just like you and enjoy and be able to express yourselves unless you're paying to the school.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we don't believe that if these fees continue, we believe that so many people, especially non-competitive SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: clubs will stop showing up, which will decrease clubs as a whole. And we believe that this fee, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: this fee structure continues, that less students will participate in clubs, and the 25,000 estimate will not SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: be reached at all because people start quitting the clubs. And we'd be happy to answer any questions SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that you may have or any questions regarding our petition or the email. And on the three of us, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we'd like to thank you again for giving us the opportunity to speak. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Of course.
Before I take questions, I just want to say, Thomas, Arna, and Nolan, that was probably in SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: my five, four plus years here on School Committee, the best presentation I've seen. No disrespect to our SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: administration.
Thank you for the incredibly thorough work. I think, speaking for myself, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the email that you sent us was very thought out. I think you laid out your points very clearly, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: but also really took all stakeholders into consideration.
And so no matter how it shakes SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: out, I think you've done incredible work here. And this is really how it should work. I think just the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: work you just did here in the last 10 minutes speaks volumes about our district.
And I'm proud SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of the work that you guys just did. Julie Rowe, I see your hand.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hi. I just, I want to say to Nolan, when I met you the day that we were setting up for the financial SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: fair and you guys came up to me from that moment till right now, you did like this, you know, it's SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: textbook.
You guys did a terrific job of explaining the problem, offering a solution, getting support.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think I just have one question, but first, let me just fulsomely praise you some more.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I wish we had a lot of work like this because it's very thorough and I appreciate it. So the only SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: question I have is, did you consider where, whether a $50 fee for like a tier three club, that's just SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: like, I think, I think baking might be a tier three club. I think my daughter's in it. Like, did anyone SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: say whether or not they thought that was fair? Or can, can you tell me more about that? Oh, yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I can. Sorry, Abby.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. I guess I can take that one. That is a great question and we actually didn't have, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we were explaining to some tier members of tier three clubs, they were questioning that as well. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But we have to think about the overall fairness of the tier system. Well, at first glance, it seems like SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: tier one clubs, since they have more commitment, it wouldn't make sense for them to pay more. But SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: ultimately, tier one clubs are already making so many payments.
I am the president of DECA. It's a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: tier one club. We already pay 120, regardless of club fees, to even compete. So adding an additional SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: hundred dollars on top of that, it just seems unfair compared to tier three clubs where you have to, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: like, we understand that while there is less of a time commitment, it's still a club, they still have to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: get a teacher, they still have to meet in the school. We think a $50 flat rate for any type of club, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: tier one, tier two, tier three, creates a fair system for everybody, rather than placing a lot of weight SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: on tier one and tier two clubs.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And also, if you don't mind, when we first sent out this proposal to a lot of student leaders, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: there were a few leaders of tier three clubs who reached out to me. And the conclusion that we came to is that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the vast majority of students don't only participate in tier three clubs. A lot of students participate in, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: for example, like a tier three club and a tier two club, or a tier two club and multiple tier three clubs, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: for example.
So either way, like even if this change wasn't made, they would still be paying that fee. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So in the long run, we expect this fee to not have that much of an impact on tier three clubs.
And if SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: anything, the detrimental effect of that might be counteracted by, for example, if a student joins a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: tier two club, they might be incentivized to explore other clubs, like to kind of make up for that $50 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: payment, for example.
And in addition, because this proposal would essentially eliminate the tier SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: system, there would be not necessarily like a ranking per se of how much of a commitment each club is.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Because with the tier system, the issue that we see with the tier system is that it places some clubs, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: you're artificially placing some clubs into a high commitment bucket and then some into a low SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: commitment bucket. And part of the issue with that is that it's hard for administration to assess SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a particular club and say, how much dedication does this club need? How much funding does it need? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And how much resources is it taking from the school?
And so overall, we just feel like it is SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: more fair. And after discussing with a lot of student leaders, we came to the conclusion that it's more SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: fair to charge a flat fee for unlimited participation rather than breaking it down by tier.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. That's a great answer.
And thanks again, you guys were amazing.
Maybe you can come SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: back next year and let us know. If we if we change anything, you can come back and give us an update. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan. I wanted to just say three quick things.
First of all, I thought, thank you for the presentation, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: but the thought the letter that you wrote was as good as any professional letter I read in the last SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: year. And no kudos to the work that you put into this to this work. I want to thank you also for the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: comment Thomas you just made about the evaluation of the club structure and the valuation piece, because I SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: think that's an important consideration in light of what no one was saying about wanting folks to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: not feel like they're having to pay for cultural connection. So I think that's a really important SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: thing for us to to think about. And the third is just that, you know, I know a number of us on the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: committee, if not all of us over the last year have tried in different ways to make sure that we're SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: accessible to students at the high school particularly.
And so just want to, you know, use the opportunity to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: have you here and having had you do such a great job to say that, you know, ideas that you have of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: how we can continue to be engaged most effectively with students and families is something we certainly SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: also would welcome your feedback on. So thank you very much. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: George Ann.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You're muted, Georgia. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry, I hit the wrong button.
Thanks, Arnie and Thomas and Nolan.
I know I responded to your email.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I just echo a lot of my peer sentiments.
You all are SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: incredible advocates.
What you guys did takes a lot of commitment and resolve.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I really recognize how important this is to you guys. And I'm glad that you took a stand and you put SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: all this time in and you did so in a very professional and thoughtful way. And Thomas, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I really loved what you just said about using the club fee to kind of encourage kids to check out SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: other things that maybe they wouldn't have for making things more accessible.
If you guys don't SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: know, I work at Stoughton High School, so all of this stuff really hits home with me. If I had it my way SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and I'm speaking on my own behalf, you wouldn't pay club fees at all. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I want everything to be accessible for you guys. You shouldn't have to earn or we shouldn't have to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: be having these conversations.
So I'm going to do my best to try to find out. And I see I'll be SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: sticking his thumb up. I think a lot of us feel that way. This is all about you. We do this for you SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: guys. And I really can't tell you enough. Please show up more. Please let us know more how you feel.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I'm really proud to be sitting here as a school committee member and seeing you guys get your SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: chance to shine. I'm sorry that it's for something like this. Thanks for your time.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks. Yeah, I voted against the club fees, so you have my support. Dan Newman.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks. It's an interesting proposal and I appreciate students from organizing and doing SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the research and bringing it to us. Others have remarked that instituting fees at all were not SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the first choice of this committee and it was really a function of the financial reality last SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: year. But that certainly doesn't mean that we can't investigate other fee models and there may SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: be a better way of doing it. So I think it's fair to say that both options have pros and cons to them. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The students today have done a great job of identifying some of those for us. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: In terms of next steps, Dr. Patel and Ms. Keenan, would it be possible to speak with the students SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and evaluate the proposal that they've brought us and maybe we could have some kind of a follow-up at SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a logical time about whether you recommend reconsidering the fee structure with some of these SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: pros and cons? Would that be a logical next step? Absolutely.
I think, yeah, Thomas, Arna and Nolan, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: you did a great job of really getting some deep student perspective on this and your proposal is SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: very reasonable and logical.
In addition, I know that Ms. Keenan has been talking to kids SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: about this as we've been preparing to start to collect.
One thing I shared with a couple of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school committee members about a month ago, we have had some positive offsets this year, including SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: some administration positions that were not filled at the beginning of the year that would allow us to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: cover this gap for this year. So there is a option to kind of really analyze this more and even delay SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: if desired, while taking into account the proposal put forth by our students as well as the overall SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: impacts of fees in general.
We did, again, we very specifically only did a $25,000 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: projection for this year because it was going to be the first year and that's SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a smaller amount and something that this year I know we are prepared to offset and we could also SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: kind of discuss whether or not we wanted to change course to the future. That's obviously the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school committee's prerogative.
I want to know that you have some flexibility, especially this year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Great.
All right.
Thank you guys again for this presentation and this conversation and your SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: willingness to put in all this work. Thank you to the school committee for your questions and your SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: comments.
I'll throw it to Alan Matenko for correspondence.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you, Avi. Good evening. So for correspondence, the committee received 19 pieces between SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: December 3rd and December 17th at 9 a.m. on both occasions.
The Dean of Academic Affairs at the high SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school shared a year in review from the high school counseling department, which highlighted key SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: achievements of the department students at the high school. As you've heard from the public comment, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we received letters from elementary staff members at East concerning the evacuation on 12-9 and other SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: facility related issues regarding the school.
And those have been followed up on in writing by the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: chair and the superintendent.
And as you heard already as well, even better, although the written SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: document was the students who just presented shared their written proposal for the club fees. And that's SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: course one. Thanks, Alan.
We do have a student rep with us tonight.
Oh, I see her. Let's see. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hi. Hey, how are you? I'm good.
How are you? Terrific.
Okay.
My name is Lassie Alom.
I'm a senior at SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sharon High School and a member of the Student Advisory Committee. And I'm the student representative SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: for today's meeting. So there's always a great deal of excitement at SHS as winter break approaches.
And this SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: year is no different. This week, Sharon Student Council organized a festive December Spirit Week to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: celebrate the season with enthusiastic winter themes. Monday was whiteout.
Tuesday was too cozy SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Tuesday. Today was ski day. Thursday will be Nike Tech versus quarter zip. And Friday will be dressed SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: up as your favorite holiday character.
The Student Council Holiday Candy Cane fundraiser continues SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: through this week to support our local Gift for Kids program and brings joy with candy delivery by SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Student Council Snowmen and the Grinch. Eagles Giving Spirit shines brighter at this time of year as many SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: clubs are hosting bake sales and drives to collect clothing, food, books, and pet supplies to help SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: various groups. The Radio Club is also hosting an open mic night fundraiser this week to support a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: local food pantry. Lots of community engagement as the Red Cross Club visited Care One to play board games SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with and give manicures to residents.
Key Club also visited Care One with snacks for card making, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: collected children's books that will be wrapped and displayed at the Sharon Public Library this week. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: for kids to take as surprise gifts and collected ornaments to donate. Students are grateful for the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: opportunities for clubs and advisors create through supporting these endeavors.
The senior class just SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: completed voting for class superlatives and everyone is excited to see what the senior class comes up. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Some superlative spoilers are that we are voting for High School Sweethearts, Most Contagious Laugh, Future SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: President, etc. The junior class hosted a free movie night on December 5th for the community, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: where participants of all ages viewed the Polar Express. Sharon High School seniors had the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: opportunity to watch The Yellow Dress, a one-woman show brought by the Deanne's Educational Theater SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to educate students about domestic violence. This was a great opportunity for our students to learn SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: about this very important safety topic, so thank you to Sharon Huggs who sponsored the event through a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Mass Cultural Council grant. Winter sports kicked off with lots of after-school activity and enthusiasm.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The girls' basketball team, coming off a third-place finish in the Hawk Mug League last year, will be SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: hosting Taunton on Friday for the very first meet of the season. Meanwhile, Sharon basketball traveled to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dartmouth this past Saturday for an exciting season opener. Yesterday, our girls basketball team walked SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: away with a win against Stoughton.
The boys, however, faced a close loss by just five points. We can't wait to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: see where the season will take us. And the wrestling team jump-started their season with huge success. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The team hosted Somerset Berkeley, Hopkinton, Lincoln Sudbury, and BC High at the first quad, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: super quad of the season, where Eagles swept all four teams. Five Eagles went 4-0 and four wrestlers went 3-1. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: A whopping seven wrestlers earned their first varsity win. And kudos to Coach Sonis and several SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: wrestling team members for participating together at our recent blood drive. The Sharon Math team continues to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: make waves with another victory at an away match. Congratulations to sophomore Luka for a perfect SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: score in the meet, and to all our Math Eagles for their hard work. Speech and debate continued their SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: role right into December at Lincoln Sudbury and Arlington High School with lots of excitement and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: success.
They will square off for one more before break this Saturday in Natick. The Cyber Security SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Club, led by senior captain Thomas Ha and Aidan Liang, competed in the latest state round for a Cyber Patriot 18 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: against 3,000 teams and landed first in Massachusetts by a margin of 80 points. DECA and Mock Trial are gearing SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: up for competitions, Encoding Club and Girls Who Code are planning the Spring Hackathon for middle SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school and high school students.
The SHS Large Ensembles concert occurred on December 9th with great SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: performances from the choir, orchestra and band. And everyone is so excited for all the great music SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: our groups will be bringing to other schools next week, as well as the halls of SHS for the incoming holidays.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: SHS alum Sevier Basil was a guest speaker hosted by the Computer Science Club to share his experience at SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: UPenn as a Computer Science major, inspiring the next generation of Eagles to pursue higher education SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in CS. We want to take this moment to speak on behalf of the Eagle Nation that we are keeping all our Eagles SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and their families and friends who are connected to Brown University in our thoughts and prayers. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Ms. Keenan shared a heartfelt message Monday morning that united us and shared thoughts for them. Best wishes to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: everyone for the healthy holidays.
Thank you. Thank you so much for a robust and thorough presentation SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: there as well. I'll throw it to our superintendent for general updates.
Great, thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Just throw up the presentation and there's also a couple of areas that I'll address SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that are not highlighted in the presentation as well.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Megan, do you bring that up?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I guess I can. Yes, so sorry. Bear with me one second. I actually closed out of the tab. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay, thanks.
One thing I'll kind of address while they'll bring it up as far as the tissues, that comes out of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: custodial supplies.
So we will work with the high school to make sure that they know that they can have tissues, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: any kind of supplemental tissues. Sometimes the ones that are a little softer and things like that are SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: sometimes appreciated, but there shouldn't be, there's not an issue with us, you know, supplying SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: tissues for schools. And I think Ellen Wittemore already said that she'll get a packet ordered, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a pallet ordered, and that should not be, should hold back. Again, it's always appreciated to have some SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: supplemental stuff for ones that might be softer and maybe, you know, kind of even more appreciated, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: but it shouldn't in any way stop the classrooms from having tissues when they need them. So we'll make SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that communication with the high school and get that ordered right away. On other fronts, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we've had tons of great events leading up to the December break, musical groups at Cottage, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: as well as East. And then Heights had a great time capsule that was opened after 30 years being sealed, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and that was a great event. A lot of returning Heights staff came, and also we had some cottage kids SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: sing at a Providence Bruins game, and Heights participated in their tutoring and really SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: buckling down at the beginning of the day. So a lot of festivities going on at the elementary level. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: At the middle school, we had a showcase winter concert, as well as a culture festival where students, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: you know, celebrated and learned about their cultures and others, and definitely some great festivities there as well.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: As far as winter sports, we have our first indoor track meet on the 18th. We have boys and girls SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: basketball at home versus Canton on the 19th. We have wrestling on the 20th. And then over break, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we have a New Year's Eve day wrestling tournament.
So anyone who's around on New Year's and wants to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: check that out. And then coming up in February, we'll have in the Davenport Basketball Classic SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and a cheer championship hosted here in Sharon.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Upcoming additional winter events.
Again, we have winter concerts at the middle school for the 18th and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: at Heights coming in January.
We also have an assembly at the middle school.
And also for folks who are SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: thinking ahead to summer, community education starts to open up registration at the end of January.
I'll be, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I had my second forum with a great group of parents and community members on December 4th at Cottage SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: focused on elementary programming.
I thank for all the folks who showed up for that. And we'll have SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: another one in late January, early February with more details mentioned at our next meeting.
That will SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: likely be at the middle school since we had one at the high school and one of the elementaries.
So we'll be SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: doing this next one at the middle school and probably the fourth one will be done virtually to give that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: option as well. Also, I'm collecting applications for my student advisory cabinet at the high school.
I SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: hope to get tons of great kids like our great advocates today as well as kind of want voices of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: students who perhaps typically don't voice themselves and really want to hear experience of all different SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: types of kids. So please, the application is due on the 19th. And just it's a short application, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: so it's not overwhelming.
If you need any support, please reach out. And so we'll be looking to put SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: together an initial group by the beginning of the year and have an initial meeting in January.
And SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: kids already have that date in that application packet.
Early release day on the 23rd prior to the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: December recess, as well as on the 14th and 19th. And then 19th, we'll have no school for Martin Luther SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: King Day. On our next school committee meeting, we'll continue to look over the updated SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: recommended budget, also get into program of studies, a review and vote of kindergarten fees, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: as well as I plan to do an East in elementary heating system report. We'll talk a little bit SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: about that tonight.
And before in build on it on the 7th as necessary.
And then tonight, we also have SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: math curriculum update, student services update, and also talking about the target budget increases.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: As well as some updates to my budget proposals.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And again, I want everyone to have a great break from the 24th to the 2nd. But before we jump into SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: other parts on the agenda, I am going to just talk a little bit more about the East. And then we can SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: follow up with questions and further information if necessary in the 7th. But yeah, I did have the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: opportunity to meet with our STA leadership yesterday to discuss some issues, but including the issues at East. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I certainly feel for Ms. Hadigan.
She's had her share of heating challenges in that room over the last SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: year.
We did kind of have a number of events that kind of contributed to what occurred and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: had been doing some preventative maintenance prior and are doing other things going forward. But I'm SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: going to turn it over to Curtis St. Onge to kind of give a little bit more of the technical details SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: while ensuring Ms. Hadigan.
I'll be over there tomorrow at East for a couple hours for my visit and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: certainly are going to be visiting there in her classroom or makeshift classroom as well as her SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: classroom that's being repaired as well. But certainly I want to give a little bit more information.
So SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Curtis, I'm going to turn over to you, just give a little summary of what occurred in the last kind of week and a half and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: as well as what was done previously and what we're looking forward to the future. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Curtis St. Okay, perfect. Hello, everyone. Thank you very much for letting me speak, Dr. Tull. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So over the past week, we've obviously had a series of bad events with this particular SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: unit event in this classroom.
On Thursday of last week, we ended up having a loss of power over at East SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Elementary, which contributed to the boilers and circulator pumps shutting down. With this occurrence, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we didn't realize it until our four o'clock building check. And we were able to get the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: pumps back up and start getting flow of heat back into the classrooms.
And I think tonight in public SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: comment, its teacher had made a comment that she walked in last week to a very cold classroom. And it SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: happened to be the day after because it took some time for the building to get back up the temp. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Due to us losing flow from the circulator pumps in the building that day to this coil, it caused the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: coil to have a crack in it, which obviously needed to be shut down and make and have repairs made to it.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We were able to get the HVAC company in over the weekend, along with our district plumber to go in SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and make repairs to the coil so that the coil would be operational and back in use. It just SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: series of bad events again. On Tuesday, we had a transformer inside of the unit, what decided to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: let go and arced out and caused this smoke event and fire event that we ended up having.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The same day that that event happened, we were on site, we were able to start evacuating smoke out of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the building and try to get fresh air moving as quickly as possible, along with the fire department.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I also was able to contact the contractor and had the contractor out within an hour to assess the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: unit. They assessed the unit and removed the bad transformer to help mediate any smell that was SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: coming from it and immediately ordered the parts. We were lucky enough that today, by the end of the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the day, the part had arrived and the company had sent out a tech to replace the part in the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: classroom.
So that classroom is back up and running correctly at the moment.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, previous to that, um, I've been on with Sharon now for about a year. Uh, over the summer, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I was able to get a company in to flush out the whole heating system over at East. I had heard a lot SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of complaints of clogged coils, clogged valves, bad valves. So I was able to get a company to come in SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and flush the whole building heating system out along with having an on-site contractor there to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: make sure that all valves were actuating correctly so that we didn't have issues like we had experienced SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in, uh, January and February when I came on last year. So it was a, uh, preventative maintenance to try SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to prevent any major problems from, um, happening again this year, which obviously doesn't always SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: happen as we're in this situation right now. Uh, we always have reactive maintenance that does need SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to be done because the univet blowers and bearings are used 24, 7, 365, uh, 365 days a year. So the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: bearings, the motors do get continuous use on them. So sometimes we have a motor that's making a loud SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: noise or bearing that's, uh, squeaking.
So we end up having to shut the blower motor off. We replace SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the motor, replace the bearings and put the system back into the univets. Um, so we're always, we're SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: always have that reactive maintenance, but we're trying to become more preventative with our maintenance SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: on doing, uh, checks of the univets with contractors and taking the advice that the contractors are giving us, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: or at least giving me in my position now and, uh, moving ahead with those recommendations SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and you're welcome. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And thank you, Dr. Patel. Are there questions from any committee members for Curtis or for Dr. Patel?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Nope. All right. Seeing none. Oh, Dan's got his hand up.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Just a couple of follow-up questions.
Thank you. Um, is, is the opinion of the administration that, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, these issues might be caused by the age of the machines? Are they just kind of baseline SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: problems that could happen even with newer systems?
And, um, is this a problem, um, either in the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: frequency or severity that seems to be disproportionately affecting East or, um, did it just happen that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a few different incidents happened in proximity to each other, but these are issues that happen SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: across all the schools?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Curtis, I'll let you answer that. Okay, perfect. Uh, so it just happens to be, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it happens to be happening at East at the moment. So this is something that can occur at any of the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: elementary schools. It could happen at the middle school, even with a newer unit. Um, we have this SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: where it does happen. We were having it happen from the history that I've seen cottage was having coils SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: burst left and right, and they were having to be repaired, um, years back. And the same thing with East, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we've have had issues where in this instance, we lost power to the building.
We lost supply of heat SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to these coils, which was just a bad circumstance that this coil decided to crack. Um, so it's SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: something that we, as much as we have contractors come in and take a look at these coils and they say, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: hey, the coil looks good. As soon as we have the first cold snap, it could all of a sudden cause an SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: issue. Um, so it's tough to be able to know ahead of time if this is going to be a problem for us.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and it just happens to be that East right now is the problem that we keep reoccurring in having to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: fix. So.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Ellen, I, I, if you want to jump in, I know you wanted to perhaps add some additional history to add. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sure. Um, so I have, um, in my present position, as well as in my previous positions, I have, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I have overseen facilities and worked with directors of facilities in my other experiences.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And to Curtis's point, um, we, we are in a situation where we do have three elementary SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: schools that are of a certain age, but also to Curtis's point, um, you know, our middle school SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: is newer. Um, and that we are, we have problems at our middle school. Um, we, over the summer did SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: do a full flush of the system.
Um, the units were all evaluated.
Um, you know, and again, to Curtis's SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: point, the coils can, um, can let go, especially when you have your first, first cold snap. Um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and we had the, um, power outage at, over at, um, over at East, I've seen this happen in other, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: you know, in my other experiences.
And unfortunately it seems like one building has a bad winter and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: then, you know, it moves on and, you know, things straighten up in that building and then there's no SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: problems with it. And then, you know, very first cold snap, um, of the next year, there's a problem SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in that building again. So I think that we are definitely, um, moving forward in the right direction SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with, um, with the amount of time and, um, we've had contractors and vendors in the buildings in the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: last, um, in the last year, um, since Curtis has been with us and the amount of, um, you know, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: oversight and preventive maintenance that we have, um, had over the summer, as well as having SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the vendors in again, um, you know, onsite immediately when we've had issues.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think just connected to that, one thing you have seen in cap, in capital each year is money SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: going towards HVAC and that is, you know, largely for preventative maintenance, whether it's SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: replacing coils that need to be replaced ahead of time, replacing valves, um, that need to be replaced SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: ahead of time in order to, uh, lessen the chance of, of these things occurring.
Um, and I also can say SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that in talking to my colleagues throughout the region, um, us, you know, not predominantly ones SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with older buildings, you know, unfortunately some of these occurrences are, um, not as uncommon as we SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: wish. And unfortunately, um, having the perfect storm where it has happened twice in the same SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: teacher's classroom, I feel awful about this. Um, unfortunately I have seen this happen in, you know, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in another instance, um, where it was the same teacher's classroom, you know, multiple times and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it just happens to be, you know, the unit, everything gets replaced in the unit. And it's, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it's one of those things. Um, last year we did replace, um, the district did replace, um, everything SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that was identified by the teacher as being, uh, lost, damaged, having to be disposed of, um, whether SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it was something that she had personally, uh, bought or was district, um, had been purchased by the district SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: originally, we replaced everything. And that is a commitment that if there are things that were, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: damaged again, um, that, you know, I will, uh, work with, um, the teacher as well as the principal to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: make sure that everything is replaced and is in good order for her in terms of materials for herself SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: as well as her students with furniture, et cetera. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: John Lundberg- Georgianne?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Georgianne- Thanks, Javi. Um, so comments, kind of questions, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: all rolled into one. So thanks for the explanations for the why, the why, why things are breaking.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: They're old. Um, I guess my concern, uh, both as a school committee member and as a parent is what is the, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: long-term solution? I attend all the capital outlay and priorities meetings. I'm aware that we're, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: you know, we got some money to put a new roof on cottage and we're spending Monday money band-aiding.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but the question comes up repeatedly, like, what are we doing long-term?
Um, I know there's a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: elementary master plan out there somewhere.
Um, as a school committee member, I want to hear some, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: see some movement and some action about that. Like where, what is our long-term solution?
Um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it is not okay with me. I don't think with anybody, um, that our teachers are showing up to work every SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: day and not knowing if they have heat, um, let alone wondering if every time something hisses, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it's going to blow up. Um, I don't think it's good for the kids. It's not good for teacher morale. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's, it's just not a fun, fun day at work. Um, so although I appreciate, um, how expeditiously SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: things are being addressed in the moment where we're triaging.
So, um, I'm going to be looking to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: hear more about like, what is the long-term solution? Where are we heading with a plan for SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: all of our elementary schools, not just east? Um, the building's dated. Um, we're on a timeline with, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with grants for this build. Um, so I'd like to see some more movement towards that. And, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: my apologies to all the folks currently at east since that's what we're talking about that you SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: guys had to go through this this week. Um, and thanks for reaching out and showing up to advocate.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan? Yeah, thank you. Uh, I go, I'll echo a lot of what Georgian said, but I want to ask for SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: two specific things if we can. Um, yeah, as somebody who's worked in a building in the state level SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: where when temperatures get below a certain temperature, we've had to evacuate on certain SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: occasions.
I'm interested to learn more on the seventh about what our, um, experiences have been SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and what our policies are with respect to decisions around temperature and classrooms and how we SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: manage students, uh, in staying in those rooms based on those temperatures.
I know some of the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: letters we got were indicating that temperatures were pretty low and students were staying there. And SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: so I just would like the administration's perspective on, on that piece of the issue. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then I'm also just sensitive to whether, and this could come tonight or can come on the seventh.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I have had parents say to me, you know, uh, concerns about their kids going back to these SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: classrooms where these, um, somewhat traumatic events for kids have happened and whether, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: particularly where they're, um, you know, have been the same room or what have you, whether SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we are offering any kind of services or supports to students and families to just help them understand SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that this is, um, you know, on a scary thing for a five year old, but something that the adults are SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: addressing.
And I'm interested to hear how we're, we're handling that as well. So I can talk about SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that last part. Um, in addition to having our, you know, our, our counselor at East, uh, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: participating in this, we're planning to have Curtis as well as one of our fire, um, uh, personnel kind SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of come, come to the classroom and talk to the kids to, um, to explain a little bit about, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: what occurred and, and assure them that, uh, that, that they are safe and that they, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that them going into the classroom is, uh, based upon a collaboration between, um, our folks at, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, in our facilities, uh, in our, our administration, as well as, um, our collaboration SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with, with, um, local fire department.
Um, and so, um, I think, you know, knowing kindergarten kids, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think they will, you know, find that to be both interesting and also comforting to them. Um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and the council again, will be participating in that as well. Um, with respect to, um, issues of, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: you know, certain temperatures and such, um, we did go over that with the STA and, um, um, one of the, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: one of the issues that we're, we worked on collaboratively is making sure that those SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: things are reported because when they are reported, um, we do respond to those, um, very expeditiously.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, and we also, um, you know, need to know if those are happening on a recurring basis, um, so that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we know that issues are not resolved, but we talked about, and we'll be communicating this to staff, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, about the system that they use to report that, um, or if it's an immediate thing to call SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the administration, what they can expect as far as response, an internal response, and then, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to just get things in a place that are, um, is, you know, reasonable, uh, for kids and staff.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then we also follow up further if there's an external, you know, repair that needs to be taken, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: done, which is takes longer. Um, but just encouraging them to make sure they report each SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: situation so we, um, we can respond to it. Um, and, um, generally the, uh, the STA leadership SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: was appreciative of the responsiveness that they've seen, but, and, and we, we need to work together to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: make sure that each incident is reported so we can, so people don't feel like they don't have, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, us, someone to respond to their, their situations.
And so that, um, we can deal with SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: any rooms that, uh, fall below, you know, a certain temperature or fall above a certain temperature.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. Thanks everybody.
Um, just one comment from me, which is obviously we're going, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we're about to get into a budget conversation tonight. Uh, we're in the sort of thick of it SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with budget. And I think that at some point in the next eight weeks, as we have the real important SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: conversations about budget, we should be having a meaningful conversation and a deep look at what, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: what our maintenance priorities are. I know Julie Rowe is, has been on top of this for four or five years. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, um, and the realities were a dollar short. And Dr. Patel, I don't blame you. I don't blame SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: your administration.
I think these problems have existed in Sharon for, since I was a kid, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, we're a dollar short on everything.
And because of that, we don't address that. But SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: speaking for myself, and I think, you know, it sounded like Georgian sentiments were in the same, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in a similar place. We need to put the safety of our, of our children and our educators SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: at the forefront.
And I trust that our administration shares that value. And so SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: as we have these conversations for the next eight weeks, I don't want to say I urge my SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: colleagues.
I think my colleagues are on the same page. I, I, I just want us to say out loud that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: there needs to be an agenda item and a conversation about a, a sum of money available to the decision SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: makers in this district to fix things like, and I can't help but see the issue at East here and look SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: at the fence at cottage last year. And I know, as we started to look at that, we saw that there was a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: fence that had a tree fall down again, extenuating circumstances.
But while SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we waited for an outside contractor to deal with it, you know, there was a safety concern.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, and I look at that and I say, I, I feel for the administrators that have to make a, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: try to solve a problem without any resources.
And it's obviously this, this board's job to allocate SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: those resources. I think I speak for all the colleagues that are shaking their head now that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we need to be looking at what the trade-off is in the next eight weeks in order to put money SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: into the, you know, into a place that is accessible for our administrators when a heating unit goes like SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: this because God forbid that had, you know, I can't speak to the validity of, you know, the accuracy, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I should say, it's certainly valid. The accuracy of one of the emails we got, but one of the emails SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we got suggested that for at least a time that unit may have been live electrically.
And, and God forbid SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that we found that out when a kid leaned on it or a teacher, you know, or an aide. And so, um, you know, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: again, let's make sure that we have that be part of our conversation sometime in the next eight weeks, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: because I want to make sure you have the resources and Curtis has the resources to solve these problems.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Even if it's a little bit more expensive in that moment, uh, expeditiously, Adam.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah, I just, I think you put that super, super well and wanted to second that and ask, you know, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: not only to, to allow the committee to put, um, you know, the administration in a position to, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: have the funding to solve these issues, but to make very clear to the committee and to the town, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: some of these issues, which I, you know, I think oftentimes bubble, uh, under the surface SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and are not so visible until something does go wrong. And until we do have an issue or don't SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: have the resources to fix things in the way that we'd want to. Um, so just really looking for the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: administration to be really clear with us, um, and with the town more broadly to say, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: this is what we need in order for our, our facilities to function appropriately and safely, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, to ensure that we don't just make the assumption that all is good and, uh, you know, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: shortchange those, uh, those preventative maintenance.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. And one thing that Curtis Ellen and I spoke about that will, you know, that was very much SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: related to the HVAC, um, issues that we've had again now at East previously at cottage. So we'll, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we'll, we're going to provide you with a, um, uh, kind of a detailed description of what we're currently SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: doing as far as pervaded preventative approaches, as well as responsive when, when, when necessary, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: what that looks like and how that fits into what we're budgeted, uh, through our operations as well SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: as capital, but then also, um, explain to you what, like, what are, what are, um, more, um, aggressive SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: options of what do they look like and the, you know, and, and, and how doable are some of those SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in operating buildings versus, you know, buildings that are being going through major renovations, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: but we'll, we'll give you, um, you know, some, some, a clear explanation of what we're doing now, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: but also what, what do other options look like and, and when can those be done with respect to, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: you know, um, you know, uh, an operating building.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Great. Thank you. All right. I think next up is math curriculum update.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I'm going to turn it over to Dr. Jocelyn.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All right. So good evening, everyone. Um, once again, thank you to the school committee SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: for all your support, um, you know, both in terms of the rollout of our CKLA program.
And now we're SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in the midst of this math review.
So tonight, um, Ms. Kemp and I are pleased to provide an update on the, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, elementary math review, which really represents several months of collaborative research, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: uh, analysis, uh, stakeholder input across all our elementary schools.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, um, so that work in the presentation we're going to give you really represent, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the thinking of a representative team from every grade level, uh, specialist, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, special educators, um, EL staff, technology building, uh, leadership.
So we use the, that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: collective expertise in addition to, um, input from our students in grade three, four, and five, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and, and families as well. Um, so I want to just, uh, turn it over to, um, uh, actually SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to, in terms of for today, in what we're going to be talking about is, uh, it's really, we're SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: going to focus on three areas and our objectives.
Uh, the first one is that how this work aligns SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of selecting a math program, how it aligns to our district improvement plan, what our research and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: review process has entailed, and also the feedback that we gathered from our educators, families, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and our students at the upper grades.
Then we'll walk you through, uh, the curriculum review SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: community's recommendations in terms of which three, uh, programs to, uh, select.
And then we'll talk SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: about the pilot design, uh, the costs, both the costs of the pilot and the potential as of now costs SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the cost range for when we select, uh, an actual, um, product.
And then so, uh, so that will become SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: essentially the decision, um, points, uh, for the committee to, to consider.
Uh, in slides five, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we're going to want to talk about like how, uh, actually I want to turn it over to, um, Ms. Camp to really SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: acknowledge, uh, the people who took, uh, spent a ton of time, uh, effort, expertise, uh, to really, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: uh, arrive at this moment where we have three, uh, programs that we'll be announcing, uh, that will SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: be piloted, uh, hopefully next year. Thank you, Dr. Dorsalyn.
Yes. Um, we'd like to begin by really SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: acknowledging the team and thanking them for, um, the time and the effort, the joint effort that went SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: into, uh, the work that we're able to present today. Um, although Dr. Dorsalyn and I are here, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: here presenting, we're representing this team. And so, um, I'd like to acknowledge each member, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, Katie Blackier, Matt Brandel, Macy Cunningham, Lisa Farrell, Beth Henry, Heather Houle, Dr. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jocelyn, Kathleen Joyce, Tina Kemp, Jamie Martin, Stacey Newman, Stacey Ribbellini, Jodi Spear, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Cheryl Sullivan, and Karen Woods. Um, again, can't thank them enough for the outstanding work that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: they've done. Um, we've been pretty busy. So, um, looking forward to sharing more with you about that.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, as I said before, the, um, we really wanted to make sure during our process for selecting what SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: programs to pilot, uh, that the priorities guiding this review, uh, comes directly from our district SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: improvement plan, which is innovative, uh, student-centered instruction, um, meeting the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: diverse needs of every one of our students, because we have a diverse group of, of, of students at the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: elementary, uh, level ranging from learning style to programmatic, uh, special ed, EL, and making sure SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: also that we have an equitable access to rigorous coursework for all our students.
And then part of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that process, we wanted to make sure that we maintain a very transparent and inclusive, inclusive SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: decision-making process that takes into account all our stakeholders, families, our students who can SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: provide their input coherently, and, um, certainly our, our staff, our IAs, our teachers, our, um, leadership SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: teams, uh, so that we take into account all of their, uh, all of their inputs.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, next slide, please.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: No. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so we've talked a bit, um, in June about why we're looking at new math curriculum materials, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, but just to review, um, our last elementary math program review was completed in 2013, which SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: was over 10 years ago. Um, and certainly in that time period, research technology and student needs SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: have evolved.
Um, so we need to ensure that our math program continues to be, uh, research-based SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and drawn from the list of high quality instructional materials.
Um, also we have a six-year contract SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with, um, math expressions and that ends in June of 2027. Next slide, please.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, you know, the, it's really important that we are, that our, our program is aligned with the, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: uh, district's instructional vision. It certainly has evolved as well in the last 10 years. Um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and that came through when we gathered, uh, information, when we gathered feedback from SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: teachers and families, um, and that reported an increased need for engaging student-centered math SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: tech, uh, tasks, um, increased supports for multilingual learners and diverse learning profiles, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, um, a program that, uh, results in deeper conceptual understanding and a program that has SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: stronger, uh, spiral review.
Um, I think it's important to also, um, point out that if, uh, or we can't, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: even if we can extend our contract with math expressions, 2018, it does come at a significant cost. Um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a three-year contract would include, uh, uh, certainly the student workbooks, which are consumables SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and digital licenses for students and, uh, teachers, um, wouldn't be an updated platform.
Um, so that is a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: significant cost, um, to consider, um, whether there are components that would not be, um, renewed or, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and, and included, including professional development that we would get with, we, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: went with a new, with a new program. So that's another reason why we're looking at new math curriculum.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Next slide.
So, um, this is a two-year process and, uh, this school year, 2025-26, uh, is, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: time of review and research.
Uh, like I said, we've, um, um, been really busy this fall and we have SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: already identified, um, high-quality instructional materials.
We've identified options for pilot SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: programs.
We gathered stakeholder feedback and we researched potential costs of programs under SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: consideration.
Uh, we'll go into more detail about those bullets in the next few slides. Um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: later this year, um, when the team reconvenes after the new year, we'll be refining professional SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: development, um, plans for, uh, the programs to be piloted and we will be, um, recruiting pilot teachers.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Next year will be a time of, uh, piloting and decision-making.
So we will be conducting those SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: pilots, um, observing in-district classrooms and teachers and students engaged in and interacting SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with the programs, but we'll also visit peer districts that have implemented, uh, the programs SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we're piloting, gather, uh, stakeholder feedback.
Um, we'll need to finalize the budget, make decisions, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: develop the professional development plan for implementation, and finally, um, July 1, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: purchase and prepare for, uh, implementation in September of 2027. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, like Dr. Jocelyn, um, had shared with, uh, you, we have a really diverse, uh, committee.
Uh, we have one SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: classroom teacher from each of the grade levels, kindergarten through fifth grade. We have two SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: elementary math specialists, um, two special education teachers, um, an elementary EL teacher, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: uh, instructional technology specialist, uh, an elementary principal, uh, the assistant SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: superintendent for curriculum and instruction, and myself, elementary math coordinator.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And last year, I mean, a few months ago, we really put together a timeline, uh, in the form of a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: gate chart, uh, to kind of like share with the community, which we did a few months ago, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: what are the key milestones that we'll be looking for. And in planning for this process, part of our, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, we wanted to ensure that we, um, align our timing with, uh, the budget presentations to the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: school committee so that, for example, we would be at a stage of being able to quote for the committee, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: how much we would need for the piloting phase so that that those funds could be incorporated SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: into the, um, the budget for this year. And then we also wanted to get to a timeline when we're ready SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to, um, identify the three, um, the three programs to be piloted that we know also what the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: implementation costs of, of all three of them.
So, and potentially we can budget for the upper SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: end of the range, um, just because we're not gonna, you know, we're not just gonna go for the cheapest, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: but we're gonna go for the most wise, um, choice, which is obviously keeping in, in mind fiscal SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: discipline and the program that is, will be the most effective, uh, for our students.
So we are, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'm pleased to report that we are, um, on time as far as the timeline, all of the milestones we're SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: reaching them, um, at the, the appropriate time and we, we do have the information and the data and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the budget, uh, piece that, um, for the school committee for your planning purposes going forward.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Next slide, please. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So just to unpack the process that we took for identifying pilot programs, um, after we established SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: a program review committee in the, in last June, we met and, um, through a visioning exercise, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: established a set of eight priorities that Dr. Jocelyn will outline.
Um, then we took those priorities SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and developed a rubric based on them so that we could evaluate programs based on a shared rubric.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, we also reviewed, uh, ed reports and curate, um, to identify high quality materials, gathered samples.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: My office got pretty busy with boxes, um, evaluated materials using that rubric.
Uh, we then invited vendors SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to provide presentations for the committee.
Um, in November, we surveyed families, educators, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and upper elementary students grades three through five, reviewed that feedback from the surveys, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: reviewed the feedback from the vendor presentations, and ultimately, um, selected those three programs to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: pilot. We also shared a similar update, um, like this with our, at our elementary, uh, faculty meetings in December.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So we had established, uh, some key priorities, uh, that we need any program that we select to be piloted SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: have to meet those criteria. And those priorities were consistent across stakeholders, which was great. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and basically it had, they had to find structurally they, they added enough in there to meet, uh, the needs of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: every type of learner, uh, that they would promote meaningful engagement in mathematics, um, that they SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: would balance conceptual understanding with, uh, procedural fluency in math, um, that they would also SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: integrate some kind of spiral review. And by spiral, spiral review simply means that kids, rather than go deep SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: one unit or one concept at a time, they would encounter those concepts, um, throughout the year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And it's been shown that this is the better approach, uh, for deeper learning and learning that, uh, will, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: will last as opposed to focusing.
So we wanted to make sure that piece of, of that research, which is more recent, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: is incorporated into any of the three that we select in that, uh, the programs also ensure coherence SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and usability for teachers and students.
We didn't want to select programs that would add to the amount SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of work at home that teachers, uh, have to do. So a lot of those programs, uh, they have embedded SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: vocabulary stuff in there.
They have embedded, um, um, accommodations, uh, you know, uh, graphic SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: organizers and those things that, that are needed. We also wanted to make sure that those programs, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: uh, meet the needs, uh, as, as all learners, including our EL students and our special ed students SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to give them access to the core, um, to the core content.
So what we did was, as we had reached out to, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: all our stakeholders, as I mentioned before, we surveyed, uh, we met with, um, you know, teachers, students, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we surveyed parents and basically with, I'm just going to go real quick.
So in terms of, uh, the feedback from, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: from educators, uh, they're really looking for a program that is, you know, highly engaging, uh, easy to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: use, um, not cumbersome, I should say, uh, align with us, the standards, um, and, and also reach in SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: meaningful practice and review. Uh, so in essence, just in summary, that's what we had. And then there SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: are some features that the teachers really value. They want to retain, um, the, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: strong assessment structure and problem solving components, uh, for math expression.
Um, they SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: didn't want to lose that in another program and, but they also want to add stronger support for SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: their diverse learners.
Like we're realizing that they have different kids with different learning SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: styles with different levels of preparedness for math. So they wanted to make sure that there's SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: embedded support in those programs, uh, for, for those kinds of students. They also wanted to make SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: sure that we have enrichment for kids who are already advanced, uh, or proficient so that those kids can SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: continue, those students can continue, um, to really expand, uh, their knowledge of math and not be limited to SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: just like the bare minimum or the core content.
And so we made sure that all three programs SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: provide that opportunity, those opportunities for, for enrichment.
And then they also wanted like a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: really robust digital platform, uh, so that the teacher guides could be found in there, the consumables SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: could be found in there, uh, and, and all of the other resources.
And we also wanted to make sure that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: all three of the programs have those, um, as well. Uh, so for, for families, and it was really beautiful SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: because there was a lot of intersection between what families wanted and what our teachers wanted. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so which was great. So for families, they wanted to emphasize, uh, valuing, conceptual SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: understanding, uh, problem solving, uh, real world application and, and, um, the preference for, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: take home resources.
Uh, families also wanted to make sure just like our teachers did, uh, some kind of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: enrichment for students who are already, uh, well advanced, uh, in math. So they're not SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: they're not, they're not confined to just the, the grade level because we do have a lot of our SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: students who are, whether they're taking Russian math or other things that they already SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: quite advanced.
So we wanted programs that provide opportunities for enrichment, uh, in there. Our students SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: actually, um, they, they also provided us for some, with some feedback.
Um, so interestingly enough, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it was a nice breakdown where they, some of them, they wanted, um, the, the program to be, uh, comfortable, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, um, challenging, uh, creative.
Um, they also valued, uh, clear modeling from their teachers.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And they also wanted opportunities to draw and discover patterns and a mix of digital and hands-on, uh, practice.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, more information.
Um, as you can see, um, so the, uh, so we, we really focus on students in 3rd, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: 4th and 5th grade, because obviously they're more able to, to really, um, give us articulate, um, their, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: their feedback.
Next slide.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. So, the programs that we reviewed were these 12 programs, Bridges, Envisionist Plus, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Eureka Math Squared, Everyday Math, HMH, Intimath, iReady, KITM, Kendall Hunt, Imagine Learning, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Math Expressions 2026, Reveal Math, and Stepping Zones. These are the programs that we SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: looked at the samples and used the rubric to evaluate.
And the programs that rose to the top SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and that we've decided to select to pilot are Envisionist Plus, Eureka Math Squared, and Reveal Math. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we're really excited to pilot these programs.
They were chosen for several reasons, but some of the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: highlights are that they are student-centered.
We have programs where students are tackling and engaging in SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: real-world problems.
And they have the ability to approach the math in flexible learning environments SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that involve choice. The programs have extensive resources for diverse learners.
So, you have SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: differentiation libraries, you have centers, you have projects.
So, that those students that may need SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: remediation, there's resources for them as well as those students that are ready for a challenge, as well SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: as increased supports for multilingual learners and students with disabilities.
Sorry, can you go back SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: slide?
There also, it's really nice to see that the lesson structures in these programs incorporate the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: latest research. Like we've been reading about things in articles and we've been trying to implement them as a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: supplemental to our program, our current program. Or we've been to conferences and seen things, but now these are SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: bright embedded in the program. They're not add-ons. So, you see instructional return routines for SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: number sense and for improving accountable talk and math talk. You also see aspects of UDL, so that you see multiple SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: presentations for teachers to represent content and for students to engage in the content.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The online problems were really, really exciting and interesting to see. You've got videos where, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that are bringing math to life because they're like, you know, bringing in that, those real-world contexts.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You have AI technology that's, has the ability to provide adaptive learning and individualized SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: instruction along with digital slides and presentations that our current program doesn't have on a daily SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: basis. Teachers are creating them or they're purchasing them from an outside consultant.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Embedded practice and SPIRer review was really important for our team and was certainly one of our priorities, but that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that structured homework piece.
And last but not least, that, that they are user-friendly.
Like a program is only as good as its implementation.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so we're really looking for teacher manuals that were clearly laid out and that had resources that were not only at teachers' fingertips, but easy to navigate.
So we're pretty excited about SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: opportunities.
And we had, we had people say, when can we start? Like right after some of the presentations, like, let's go, let's try this out. So I'm happy to share our excitement about that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So for our pilot design, we will have 12 pilot teachers and classrooms for each program.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Essentially two pro, two teachers per grade level per pilot program with equal representation from each elementary school and equal representation kindergarten through fifth grade. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we also have, we'll probably follow more or less the same process for evaluating the pilots.
We're going to be looking at the instructional evidence and we're also going to be looking at feedback from all our stakeholders.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So the instructional evidence is going to be looking at the instructional evidence. So the instructional evidence is going to be seen through literally just going into classrooms, observing, talking to teachers, talking to kids. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Do they understand not only what they're doing, but also why they're doing it, what the relevance is for them? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We, you know, Dr. Butelo and I, we constantly, pretty much every week, we, both of us are visiting schools.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Ms. Tina Kemp is, is in schools all the time. And we will continue to be in that process of just like, just visiting and observing.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But we're also going to be doing, we're going to be doing some visits to peer districts who have implemented the programs that we have selected, like we did for CKLA. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we'll be observing their implementations, we'll be meeting with their teachers, we'll be meeting with the decision makers to get their, their, their views and opinions and their assessments of, of each of those programs.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then we'll also continue to elicit feedback.
For teachers and staff, it will be a combination of surveys and, and, and meetings and discussions and observations.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then for families and students, for families, it will be primarily surveys. And then for our students, really going to be surveys, but also talking to them, observing them, and then the embedded assessments.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Now, preemptively, I want to answer one question that may come up in terms of, well, can you just provide, give some assessments to identify which program is more, quote unquote, effective.
That's not possible, number one, because we're not going to be spending an entire year piloting.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Number two, a lot of those programs, like anything else, they, they tackle the standards at different sequence.
So if you were to look at it for an entire year, you would get through the entire sequence for that, of, of standards for that grade.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But if you're doing it for half a year, you will get to half of those standards for that year, but they will be in different sequence.
So it would be apple and oranges.
So there would be no basis for comparing them. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And you, even if you did that, but then you would have to factor in potential confounding variables in terms of teachers who've done it before, a mix of students.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So really the, the, the, the, the, the quality way of evaluating would be just looking at the instructional evidence.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Obviously we looked at the research already as part of that. So those made it as pilot programs and then stakeholder, stakeholder feedback.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So the big piece for the school committee is the, the, the anticipated costs.
So we looked at it in terms of 26, 27 school year and then 27, 28 school year.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So for the, this, these are basically the costs that we're looking at for the 20s for FY 27. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So basically $9,500 for pilot materials and pilot teacher training, you know, professional development about 15, almost $16,000.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So you're looking at plus or minus 20, 25 and change, 25,000 and change.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then for FY 28, you could see that we only give you one number, about 320, that will be the upper range.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So if you were to look at you, if you want to range, it'll be about between 260,000.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If we were to keep math expression as is right now, and we would not be getting teacher guides, would only be getting consumables and essentially a stale digital platform, not the updated one that they have for math expression, 2026. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's the low cost, but that's because you'll be getting much, much less. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then the, of the three programs that we pilot, we are going to pilot the upper range would be $320,000.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Obviously, that is subject to the fluctuations in the number of students that we may have. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then also obviously inflation costs. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's why we put in approximately 320,000 plus or minus, let's say 4% for inflation and plus or minus unknown for the number, based on the number of students that we'll have. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But we wanted to make sure we provided clear numbers to school community for FY27 and FY28 for your planning purposes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then what, where do we go from here? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Basically, this year, we're going to continue with our review and research.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We really hit the big milestone by settling on those three programs.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we're going to plan professional development for those pilot programs so that the teachers who pilot them know exactly what to do, how to use those programs.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then we are going to be recruiting teachers to pilot. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Then next year, 20, the school, the 26, 27 school year, we are going to go into the phase two, which was the actual piloting and decision making.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So we are going to basically part of the year, we are going to pilot just like we did for CKLA. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then there'll be a time of evaluation and then we'll essentially pick one, preferably way before the end of the school year, so that we can then start planning on purchasing materials for implementation for the following year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: As I end, before we answer questions, I really want to acknowledge the leadership, the excellent work that Ms. Kemp has done.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Obviously, I oversee that process.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I sit in meetings, but she's in the ground providing the leadership. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I also wanted to say a special thank you to all of those teachers who were part of that curriculum review. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: They did a phenomenal job. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And honestly, all the three programs based on what we've seen so far and the reviews and the research that we've done, those three programs just by themselves are already like a big win. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so it's not going to be choosing between what's good or bad or it's going to be what's better or best.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So thank you. And I will entertain questions from the committee.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you for putting this together. I think that, you know, staying current on curriculum is probably one of the most cost effective things we can do. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We saw that with ELA. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I had two questions.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Are these curriculums supported by kind of broad research based evidence?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I know that CKLA was one of the reasons I'm very glad that we selected it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I know that, you know, in the past, if the evidence isn't there, you know, I get concerned about purchasing a new curriculum.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then the second looking through curate, I noticed that, you know, of some of these three, the state wasn't rating as high as others on there.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I just wanted to kind of understand, like, how our rubric differed from theirs. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like, I think that, sorry, I just need to check my notes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I don't have a memorized. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like, IReady and HMH into math were two that kind of checked all the state boxes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But I guess, you know, it says they have like a little wheel and it's a full wheel, partial wheel, red wheel. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So just understanding, especially with, I think, Eureka, they rated as like partial overall, just kind of how our view differs from the state. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, you know, do we have concerns or is there a strength in the full wheel that, you know, is just apparent?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I'll start and then I will also provide an opportunity for Miss Camp to provide some clarification.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So all of the programs that we vetted are drawn from the high quality instruction material from the state. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And these are basically research based. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then you start with that, right? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So like in the next, so they are research based empirically validated.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Then the next level of work is really, that's why you have a review committee.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You look at your students, you look at your priorities, you look at what parents, families, that's important to us, are looking for what teachers and what the research says, good math instruction would look like. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then you basically, you make that qualitative assessment.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The state is not, you know, it's not the gospel.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's a good baseline.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So once something makes it to either curate or the list of high quality instruction material, you know, at least there's some level of empirically validated research behind those. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But it's really coming up on the district to make sure that you pick programs that are very much aligned with the priorities of the district and the students in front of you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So for example, if you know, you know, let's say if we were hypothetically a district where not a whole lot of our students would be advanced, you would want a program that emphasized a lot of remediation, but that's not us. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So we also wanted because teachers wanted it, parents wanted it, we wanted it, we wanted it, we wanted, for example, a program that really, if a kid is really taking some enrichment classes or other places, that there's not a ceiling for them, that there's opportunities for them to have enrichment.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So out of two or three programs, you would want to pick those programs that meet those specific requirements.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We value wanting to make sure that our special ed students have access to really rigorous core content while not putting an undue burden on our special ed teachers so that they can spend their time teaching as opposed to planning and developing extra materials.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So you also want to make sure you look at which program from that list would provide you the better of that opportunity.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I also want to make sure I sort of do a partnership between me and me, Skip, answering, so I don't see if you have any.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah, just to follow. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah, I noticed that on Curate's website, you know, it seems like evidence is a little thin on all three of these.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I mean, I'm a data guy, so. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Well, I can speak to when we looked at HMH into math, it did not get high marks for engagement or meeting the needs of all learners.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Go ahead. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I ready in terms of usability.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I personally like spent hours trying to they had so many resources, but navigating the manual was just it was and usability.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It wasn't rated high for several people. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I will say for Eureka Math Squared, the report was done in 2024.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And since then, they have an additional component called Math Catalyst that really addresses that recommendation around providing teachers with direction as to how to look at data and then determine how to meet the needs of all learners.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So usability and accessibility for students.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The envisions report is from the 2020 edition.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's like two editions prior. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then with Reveal there, I did, we did look at that as well.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I actually involved Sarah Godino in my conversation and looking at the report because there were some suggestions for supplemental work for supports for EL learners.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we actually felt that it had high ratings for supports for multilingual learners because it has the math language routines that are proven to be effective, sentence stems, language objectives and so forth.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I will I hope that helps in saying that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah, it sounds like great. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thoroughly look at the reports and. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah, I was just trying to help understand, like, kind of how our rubric differed from theirs.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And they were not everyone is the same rubric, right?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And they all met expectations fully on every report as well. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that was.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: OK. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Criteria.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you, Avi.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy asked half of my questions, so I'll just move on to the other half.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so I guess I just I want to understand the cost.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so the cost alternative.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, um, it's if we don't do anything and we stay with math expressions, it's 280,000 in one year.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Or is that every year?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: For three year, a three year contract. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: These are three year contracts. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's a three. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's 280 for three years.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: No, I think it's 260. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: OK. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's whatever it is. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's it's is it that amount for three years?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like only once?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: OK. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The 320 figure, I think you said, maybe I need maybe I need this, you know, curriculum myself over here. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so that is also over three years.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Do you pay it like in one big block or does it get paid over three years? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I would probably defer to finance on that one. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But I know, for example, for us, you know, securely, we're able to pay 70, 30, you know, so I'm not sure how that works.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Just keep in mind for the 260.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: What? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think I mentioned it before. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: What you get is obviously the current expression, which is 2018. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You don't get the new teacher guides.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You just get new consumers. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So you really get less per unit of expenditure with that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, if you were to stay with the 2018, um, uh, math expression.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so, yeah, so I don't want to kind of answer that question in terms of how the payment will be structured.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I would probably defer to that.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's, you know, generally that was generally, um, my question.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I appreciate how thoughtfully you've approached this. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'm thrilled that we're embarking on this process.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I think the administration and the teachers involved and the coordinators have built credibility by using the same process for our ELA curriculum.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and the successful selection of CKLA, which has been well received and I've already seen a big difference with it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, um, thrilled that we're using the same model and approach.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and, um, it sounds like there's already been quite a lot of groundwork done. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I have two questions. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, the first is I saw that one of the top requests from parents is regular structured homework around math. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Is that something that we would be purchasing that's in, um, an easy to use and assign format for teachers as far as materials?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And is that something parents should expect to see with any of these curriculum?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and, um, the second question I have is, uh, I assume that part of your process is looking at what other districts do, especially some of the top districts we compare ourselves to in Massachusetts.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I, uh, was looking at what some of these other districts do just for my own background and I noticed that, um, a number of districts, uh, Needham, Weston, Lexington, Acton, use something called illustrative math. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, is that the same as Kendall Hunt math that you looked at? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, um, if so, um, I'm curious to hear why, uh, we aren't piloting that and what about that program might have concerned you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I've read some about it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, uh, I know any curriculum has all different perspectives about it from teachers and, um, parents.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But, uh, I was curious why that wasn't one of the programs and, um, what, how that would differ from the programs that we are looking into.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The interesting thing is that your two questions are connected.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so one of the reasons, yes, um, illustrative math is, has different certified partners.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Two of them are Kendall Hunt and Imagine Learning. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And one of our greatest concerns is their stance on homework, um, where they don't have structured, uh, homework provided for teachers.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It would be something that we would have to develop.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and so that was a, a, a concern.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It was, it rose to the top, but it didn't meet, meet the cut because of that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, the piece that we really, uh, were excited about was the problem-based learning.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And that is, um, a component that we also have, we see in all three other pilot curriculums.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but, but along with that problem-based learning, it also had, um, resources for, you know, daily structured homework, um, embedded in there, in the program.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's music to Dan's ears and mine, to be clear. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Mine as well. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I appreciate- SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I like it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You're being in this process. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, great presentation, great answers. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, thank you, Ms. Kem. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you, Dr. Jocelyn. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you, all the educators that were listed there and, and any that were part of the process and, and, and weren't listed. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I know it's a, it's a full team effort. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so appreciate you guys very much. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Next up, we've got Astrid Mazuriegos, uh, with, I believe an update student services.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hi, good evening everyone. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I have a really quick update, uh, on my behalf.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I'll wait for next slide, please. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, thank you for the opportunity.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so as I presented back in the fall with the, uh, executive summary from a corrective action plan from DESE, um, they have, we have checkpoints throughout the year with DESE. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We've met, um, every checkpoint.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I've been turning in the evidence of our corrective plan and things are moving in the right direction. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Our next, um, uh, checkpoint is December, uh, January 9th. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'm, um, I had a schedule and presenting that evidence of training and, um, compliance, um, to DESE before the break.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that it's going, um, in the right direction.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I believe that, uh, that will be my last checkpoint until, um, next year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, meet and greets are happening. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: In fact, last, um, yesterday we had our East Elementary School meet and greet and it was great to see parents there. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And it was, it's a very casual time to ask me questions, but also as the student services, I'm ministering at that building questions, um, and just to connect with our parents. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, next one up is the high school. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So look out for that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, DESE has offered in Ortho and Gilliam course, and some of our staff is certainly taking advantage of that, uh, opportunity.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I'm excited about that as well. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, we are also looking for and working on reverse inclusion for our students in our specialized programs.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I've been working with our principals, um, and our staff to provide those opportunities for our students.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, we are sending letters home to parents, um, to make sure that they understand what reverse inclusion means and for them to give us permission, uh, for us, for their students to participate in that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The director of early childhood center and elementary staff, they're working together to make sure that we have a, uh, polished, uh, and better preschool to elementary transition.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and we're working on some systems and, um, protocols on that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And as always, my favorite is my classroom visits, um, across the board.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, some great things are happening. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, it is, uh, my, the highlight of my week. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so these are just some pictures, uh, that I took as I was going around learning centers, um, early childhood, elementary schools, um, high schools, and all of that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Any questions?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Go ahead. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Or Jan. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks for the update. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Can you just really quickly explain what reverse inclusion is for those folks in the public or on the committee that might not know? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Absolutely. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Absolutely. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So for example, some of our students at the elementary level, they have, uh, instrument lessons, uh, music lessons, uh, at block during the day. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Some kids don't. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Take part of that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so, uh, we decided that that block of time will be a great opportunity for typical peers to come over to our specialized, uh, settings or classrooms to do either, um, life skills lesson, cooking, uh, baking, um, to be part of. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So just to rather than our special education students always being in general education, our non-special education students being in the settings that our special education students are, uh, with very, uh, concrete lessons that go along with it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, including, you know, I know that in some of our specialized programs, they're not eating at, um, lunch with all our students.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, when they eat lunch, we're actually, um, having our non-special education students be invited to our lunch, uh, period. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But also we're now including our special education students in that lunchroom.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so really enhancing, uh, reverse inclusion in all kinds of ways.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry, um, thank you so much for the, um, update, Astrid. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It seems I especially like the pictures of the kids. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I was, I was hoping you could elaborate on, um, ortho Gillingham.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like how, how much, um, free training are we getting and are we moving towards trying to train some staff in house on that method?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah, for sure. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, Desi put it out as anyone that wanted to get trained ASAP, you know, sign in. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So they didn't give us a limited number of people. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I do have two people that are, that decided to sign up and I just needed to sign a form. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, the, my goal as a student services director is to have special educators be trained in both methodologies.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Wilson and ortho Gillingham.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: They both are similar yet different. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: They both have the obviously phonics instruction.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Wilson is more restricted and rigid in how kids move from concepts to concepts.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: OG is not. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: They can skip around. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'm trained in, I'm certified and trained in both. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I know the difference. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I want, and not every kid is good for Wilson and not every kid is good for OG. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I want to make sure that in the next, you know, three to five years that we equip people or special educators with both methodologies to make the right decision as to what methodology works best for our students.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That doesn't mean that every kid needs that those two methodologies.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It just means that it gives us, if you don't use those, you can use part of the methodology or part of the curriculum to enhance, uh, kids literacy.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so that's the goal. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so the excitement is that OG does, like I said, does cost about a good $3,000 to get trained, not to get certified.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's a different thing. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, training is the first step to then get, be able to get certified and do a practical for a good year for both Wilson and OG. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But at least it gives sort of the foundation for people to understand, um, the methodology.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so, um, there's no limit, limit, limit of time or limited of how many people can get trained through DESE. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But I certainly put it out there and we have two people doing that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, that's, that's really great. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Of course. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you, Adam. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, so that's fantastic.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, about the, the training that we're able to take advantage of through DESE. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and thank you for the update in general. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I was just curious if, um, if you could speak super briefly to just how we're doing from a staffing perspective.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and I know in the past, that's been, uh, a challenge.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and I think we're in a better place, but I don't know kind of where there are gaps or where they're not. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We're totally in a better, better place. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, we have about one IA, um, missing at the middle school instructor and assistant.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we have, uh, a long-term sub special educator at, um, high school, short, short term special educator at the high school for maternity leave.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I, um, just hired a PT, um, but our seasoned PT has been able to service those compensatory services for kids who had missing, had, have been missing those services in the fall. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but we are, other than that, we're in good shape. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Our lead nurse is our maternity leave and, uh, we're hiring, um, someone at Florida for her. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so we are actually in a better place, um, than what I was told last year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's fantastic. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you so much. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Of course. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Great.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks Astrid for the presentation.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Terrific update. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Appreciate it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, all right, Dr. Botello.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think we've got a budget presentation.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, Megan's going to put that up. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, some of the initial slides I'm going to go through quickly because they're more, uh, background and, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: background in their slides that we've, uh, gone over, um, in the last, uh, several meetings. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then I'll get to the, to the meat of it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So today we're going to, um, can you go back one though? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so review, uh, the updated, uh, recommended budget, uh, we'll review categories of, of funding, um, uh, share a comprehensive list of possible reductions and offsets.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And you'll see my initial recommended reductions and offsets, um, um, to, um, to begin to, to, to meet the potential gap. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then we'll prepare for potential, uh, deeper reductions. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Again, as you saw this earlier, so we're going to go through that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, we are gonna, one more slide, Megan. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so again, no back one. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so again, on the, the middle school, we have some, um, lower numbers in sixth grade in some, um, uh, higher numbers in, in eighth grade.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, in, in currently the plan is to, uh, move, um, to, to teachers from the, not two teachers, but two positions from sixth grade, uh, to eighth grade.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, that's the initial, uh, uh, plan just to, uh, to deal with those differences in size. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and also knowing that sixth grade is going to remain a bit smaller for the next several years that will, uh, be doable in the future. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and then, um, we have, you know, a little bit of a reduction, um, of approximately 50 students at the high school.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You can go past that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So at the elementary, we're looking to minimally add two sections at, uh, kindergarten.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, you know, that's based upon NASDAQ productions.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: There's a slight chance that there could be more than that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I do not believe it will be less than that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But as we, um, go to the registration process, we'll be following that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, grade one, um, at Heights, uh, but could potentially be a place to, um, have a reduction and still have class sizes that are similar to cottage, as well as have place at places that East for students who are newly enrolling, uh, to come into the district.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, grade, uh, at cottage, uh, the plan is to move a grade four teacher up, a grade three teacher up into grade four. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's something we customarily do. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that would be a reduction of a position at grade three, but in addition to grade four, which is a wash, uh, grade five at cottage based upon current enrollment is a place that we could very, very easily and expect to, uh, make a reduction and still have, you know, 22 students per class, which would be similar to Heights and, and, and, and, and, and possibly in East. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and then there are, um, there at East in both grade three, um, if there was a reduction, we would be at 23, which is like one above, um, what is that cottage and Heights.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, now grade four would be a little bit higher, um, and not something that I would, uh, want to do in grade five would be even higher. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's not something I don't want to do. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So you can, so, um, again, we know personnel and salaries is the heart of our budget.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Teachers make up the great bulk of that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And special education is an important driver as well. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so when we look at the proposed budget in some adjustments I've made, again, the level service budget, um, uh, initially, um, would result in a 3.69%
increase.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: When we add the, um, requested additions of, um, our, our numbers, um, uh, increase another 1.67.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so for a total of 5.78.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Now there are several offsets that we can kind of count on right off the bat. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That is, again, we have some money that is in our current supplies and materials budget, um, that we're using for CKLA this year that we can return into other line items. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's, um, uh, some offset that we can use. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We also, um, we also can, uh, fund a, a special education position using an alternative funding source.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We also, um, we started with a very low retirement expectation as we've got more information.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We, um, are able to add another 50,000 right off the bat to that, as well as with the increases in numbers that we're expecting and kindergarten, we expect to have some additional revenue from, from fees for that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Now, based upon, um, that, that results in, uh, with those recommended, um, additions and with those offsets to lower the, uh, cost, uh, that results in a 4.37,
uh, percent increase.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, that is, um, above the 2.7% um, um, um, initial budget target, um, um, and, uh, we're going to add a little bit more. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We're going to add a little bit more to the budget, um, by approximately 935,000.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, as we've seen in the past, uh, and as, um, town administrator Fred Sharkington alluded to, uh, we expect, um, um, that there will be, um, a likely increase to the priorities number, um, when we meet. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This year we're meeting earlier instead of in early February meeting at the end of January. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: January, so we'll have that number earlier, uh, which will, which will be great. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, in the past, you know, it's been in the, typically been the low threes, um, uh, though there was one year that it was white above that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So we're hopeful, uh, uh, of that being the reality again, that will, that 2.7% will bump up at least a bit to, um, and, uh, Fred Sharkington's number that he's talked to us actually prior to priorities, uh, in separate conversations.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then he mentioned that priorities as well is, um, a, a kind of, uh, a likely, uh, point would be around 3.4. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Now, when we look at the overall budget, um, I broke it down into kind of three major categories to think about, like, what part of the budget really, uh, do we have the opportunities to potentially consider, um, uh, for changes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, um, I'm going to go over those three categories.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The first one are the, uh, the bucket of different things, the, the great majority of our budget, which is either legally mandated and contractually required.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So some of that is mandated through the Department of Education. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like we're required to have English, math, science, social studies, wellness courses, uh, some technology instruction.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, um, all of those teachers that make up that core instruction, um, we must have teachers.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Now we can, uh, lower the number of teachers to a certain extent based upon our beliefs in what students need as well as, um, contractual obligations.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: With respect to class size and caseloads.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But, uh, we need to have a core group of those teachers and they make up the great majority of our, uh, budget. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We also have mandated special education programming.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We're also required to have nursing and other specialized staff. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, we're also required to have ELD programming services and staff and to meet the, um, service needs, uh, based on legal limits.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, we had mandated specialized services that are included. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We need to have a McKinney-Vento supports, uh, for students who, um, fall into a situation of homelessness.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, again, we have our contractual obligations and salary and caseload and cast caseload that, um, are, are required.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then there are certain core administration staff that are required by law. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Superintendent position, the finance position, a student services position, as well as building leaders and principles based on ed reform. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, we also have legally mandated facility expectations and mandated transportation, including specialized, uh, special education in a K through six, uh, transportation beyond two miles is, uh, legally mandated.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So these are all parts of the budget that we really don't have a choice to touch. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Then there's a number of areas that, you know, legally can actually, you could consider, but few, if any districts go without.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, that includes, um, you know, except for the very smallest districts in the state having some kind of, um, district leader for curriculum, uh, and instruction, um, secondary, uh, assistant principals, um, are, are, um, pretty much universal except for very, very small high schools.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, um, core non-mated school counselors, um, core non-mated school adjustment counselors, um, non-mated transportation, you know, most all districts provide transportation, at least through with a fee-based system. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Some, you know, really use that fee to, to raise, you know, much of the cost, but, um, providing some level of transportation, at least with fee, um, in addition to the mandated legally, um, required transportation.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, some instructional leadership staff, whether that's in the form of curriculum coordinators, department heads, coded coaches, um, universally elementary specialists are offered throughout the state. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, having some electives, APs, and honors is universal.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and secondary athletics program of some sort is universal.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Secondary theater and arts program is fairly universal.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Library media staffing, and then a core budget for supplies, curriculum, and materials.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Certainly the size of the budget can, can differ. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but, um, it's, uh, an expectation throughout the state and also basic technology and technology support, as well as some level of professional development for staff. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So these, uh, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, there's another big portion of the budget that, um, is kind of you universally expected in, in, in schools, uh, especially in Massachusetts, but even beyond.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So then it gets to, okay, so what, what, um, what, um, what, where, where, where are the areas where you can consider?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And again, a lot of these areas, um, depending, unless you really, um, analyze them and, um, address them with respect to possible reductions in a very, very careful way, um, really risk our standing as a high quality district.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So you really have to be careful even within these more discretionary areas, how you choose. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so elementary classroom teachers, for example, um, now in all the, for all these classroom teachers, both the elementary, middle, and high school, we have to meet the contractual limits. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that goes back to, um, the first, uh, category, but there are times with any of these areas, if you have a change in enrollment and you can still maintain, you know, solid class size that allows for the individual attendance.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That is needed. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Then those are areas where you could potentially make a cut and it wouldn't be detrimental to kids. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but if you are making cuts that go deeper than that, then certainly you're risking the, um, high quality instruction in, in relationships that are necessary.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, when you make cuts, especially at the high school level, you're risking some of the offerings of electives, APs, uh, different levels, uh, for kids. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and so that, that's something you have to consider. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, you know, secondary elementary curriculum coordinators.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That could something we've discussed in the past. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We would still need to offset that with some level of curriculum leadership, um, in order to make things like our reviews that we're doing in literacy and math happen, um, effectively.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, we could reduce offerings in, um, our world language program. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, we did that, uh, we actually, unfortunately eliminated it at the elementary level. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, elementary level and we could, we, the, uh, a discretionary part is the number of offerings, um, that we, we offer, uh, elementary ELA and math specialists, middle school math interventionists that we're trying to put in place. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's something that certainly we haven't had in the past and is discretionary.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The level of afterschool clubs at the middle and high school, athletic programming.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Someone required, inquired about the football program and its cost. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, certainly almost all, um, you know, districts our size have a football program, but it's certainly, um, something that we choose to have and we think it's great to have and we support it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, elementary instrumental, um, supplies materials and reducing that as well as in reducing, reducing administrative staff. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So these are some of the buckets where, um, when you have to, you can consider, but you obviously, um, if you don't do it carefully, you really put at risk. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You're standing as a high quality school district. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, um, my initial, um, step, um, you know, coming into today, um, was to, um, use that kind of benchmark of the 3.4 that, um, was hopeful, um, for, uh, priorities to reach, um, later.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and just start with that as far as some, uh, potential, uh, reductions in order to meet that, uh, prior to going into reductions, um, along with Ellen Whittemore, um, and other departments looked at the, are there any additional offsets that we could, um, consider in order to ameliorate the situation?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so, um, we did, we have received additional information on additional retirements, uh, since the, when we began this process.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So we find that it would be safe to, um, budget for an additional $50,000 in savings from, um, retirements and expected due hires.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so that will help lower our, um, our budget need. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Also, we have much more sound numbers on the lane change adjustments that we will need to pay for next year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so, again, that's another place where we purposely over budgeted, um, just in case, but now that we have, um, people have been required to give notice, uh, for if they're expecting a lane, a lane change adjustment, that that's another area where we could, um, find some savings.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, we also have, um, uh, uh, a grant related to special education that, um, fits the criteria to pay, uh, a portion of one of our special education administrative assistants who works in central office with, um, Ms. Maris Riegos as well as our buildings.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so we could offset part of that cost, uh, through a grant and that's the grant that we regularly have. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, so it wouldn't be a danger to do that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And also we've been getting some fuel credits from our bus contract. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and so we, we had, uh, a side, we're getting some sizable credits this year that go above the 35,000.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, uh, banking on, um, $35,000 from that, uh, conservatively would be something that we, uh, we, we expect is, is, uh, is, uh, is a sound, uh, conservative choice.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so that's, those are some areas right off the bat where we can help to build this bridges gap. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The next place I looked at is, um, we, so we requested a social studies position.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This is a reinstatement of a position we've been able to do without that position this year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We did have some kids, um, who were not able to get the choices that they wanted. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and that was one of the reasons that it was, um, proposed again this year, uh, considering that we're having 50 less students next year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, that should really ameliorate this situation.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, um, in talking with the, uh, social studies department, as well as, um, the principal at the high school. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, we believe we could remove that, um, position and have a better situation than we are having this year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, having an additional cut in that area would not be, uh, wise, but, um, just not reinstating that position.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, we, we believe we could handle. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We also have a number of, um, potential elementary reductions that again, as I showed before, and I'm going to show on the next slide again, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, would, um, put us aligned with, um, other, um, grade levels in the other schools.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So again, the elementary, uh, grade five at Cottage is really an easy one. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That is one, you know, that we have had for several years, a larger fifth grade class going in. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And this year we have 66 students. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So having 22 students per class in fifth grade will be normal, uh, in accordance with that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's an easy, uh, reduction if necessary.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, if we reduce the grade three, uh, position at East, that would put 23 per class, um, which is very similar, um, to the other schools.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then, um, in elementary at grade one, um, we, if we didn't, um, keep, um, I think a fifth position in that and just had four, we would have 22 per class.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And it's really important in grade one to have place when kids, new kids move in, but there is a significant space at East where those students would be able to go and still keep, um, you know, the class sizes across the district, um, similar.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, we're also, uh, looked at our, um, the $236,000 in requests for supplies and PD. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And there was some of that, that funding that we are able to do through other places in the operations budget. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So we felt comfortable that we could reduce that as necessary. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and we actually felt we could probably go to 62,000 if we needed, but, uh, to be more conservative, uh, 52,000 in that and still have, you know, 184,000.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we would have to be able to do that as a, uh, $84,000 increase in that area. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and lastly to, um, if necessary, as much as, um, I think this position would be really be beneficial to, uh, to central office and the district.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, not filling, uh, the central office, uh, position that was cut years ago. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, one thing I would love to be able to, if, if the committee is, um, as we go through this process is amenable to this is, um, to see if we could, you know, potentially fund half of that position, a 0.5 position.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, when we look at other new information we get as far as offsets, as well as, um, even have the ability that during the summer, if our, um, savings from new hires was greater than we expected the ability to hire that, um, in the summer, even the beginning of the fall. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, where we, you know, typically wouldn't do that with classroom positions.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This is something that if we realized, um, additional savings, like, especially through the hiring process or through a grant that was, uh, unexpected, um, being able to, um, have the permission to hire that position would be great. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But for, for now to, uh, to, um, you know, kind of bridge what is, you know, this, uh, gap, um, based upon a potential 3.4% increase, um, these cuts would, would do that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And they still give us about $10,000 of play, um, right there. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The next couple of slides just go a little bit over the, um, you know, the, what the, what the class sizes would look like at the elementary.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so again, we're looking to add a couple positions at kindergarten and based upon projections.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, if we did one reduction at heights, uh, that would put that at 21, 22, uh, similar to cottage and still leave room for, um, um, additional students, uh, moving in to go to East grade two would stay set and not, uh, have any changes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, grade, uh, grade, uh, three would again have the teacher, uh, or the position in grade three move up to grade four based upon, uh, differences there, but have a grade five reduction.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and still have 22 students per class, uh, similar to heights and a little, um, more than East. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then the final, um, one, which is, you know, is, um, if necessary having, uh, a reduction in grade three East, which would put them initially at 23. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, which is, um, you know, ideally we would sit at 22 there, but it's something that is quite similar to the 22s, um, that you see, um, at heights in cottage.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, you know, very similar to the typical class sizes that we've seen at heights for years.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's the kind of the, and my initial thinking on how we would, um, bridge a gap, um, if it was a 3.4, um, number that we ended up, um, um, being directed, uh, with by the committee and by the priorities.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If, um, um, the 2.7 number was one that ended up holding, um, there's an additional of approximately $391,000 in cuts that would need to be considered.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and so I think in future meetings, um, first of all, I have a list of things, you know, the, the types of non-discretionary things, discretionary things that you could, could be considered.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but we can kind of dig in more into understanding the impacts if necessary of some of these while, um, expecting that, uh, we'll sit someplace between 2.7, um, and, you know, 3.4, even potentially a little bit higher, um, when all things are said and done. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But some of the things that we would look at are high, additional high school teachers, which we, um, know would definitely have, um, we'd have to watch out for, uh, caseloads and class sizes to meet contractual limits. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, uh, then beyond that, if we're able to, uh, make a cut and still meet those contractual limits, what occurs is students, um, having greater difficulty.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Not with the core class that, like, everyone takes, but with electives, um, including APs. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I wouldn't see us touching English because that department is already smaller than all the others. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So science and math would be something that we'd be looking at. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but again, there are a lot of courses that kids depend upon, so we'd want to do that with, um, great scrutiny.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we'd do our best to project, if necessary, what that would look like. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Arts were already cut last year, so I wouldn't see us, um, looking to make an additional reduction there, um, in this, you know, current year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, as far as middle school, like, there is the, you know, the, in a really bad budget year, something that could be considered would be to maintain the two less positions in grade eight instead of just moving them. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So just moving them, which would, you know, add an additional $160,000 to the budget. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If that was done right this year, we had a range of about, um, you know, um, 16 to 25, and we even had 126, um, with our current numbers, uh, because the eighth grade numbers would be a bit larger than this year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so, um, if you'd expect, we'd expect we'd have a range between 17 and 27. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We, we do everything in our power to, um, hit the average, which is more around 23, uh, 22, 23. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But because of the choices that students have in eighth grade, both in math, as far as different math levels, as well as choices related to world language, you can't just divide the kids evenly. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so, um, when I'm giving you that range, it's just a realistic range based upon our situation this year to give you a sense of what we would be looking at. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Again, most of them on, on average, it would be around 22 and a half. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but we would see a range just to understand the range at the grade six level, because there aren't different levels in our courses.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And the only real difference is, um, around, um, world language choices.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So the average in grade six, um, which when we move, um, two sections, if we move two sections from grade six to grade eight would be 20, which is very, very acceptable in a range from 18 to 22. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's a, a much purer, um, range and, uh, and smaller range.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Elementary classroom teachers, again, we've already, I've already, um, shown potential cuts. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but in a horrible budget year, you could consider going to those other two possibilities, which would raise classes up in the 24, 25 in grade four. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But that's not something that I would expect in this current year to propose unless the school school committee directed me to. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then other things would be looking at the, you know, uh, the school committee directed me to. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Be looking at the, you know, uh, curriculum coordinators and how to, we, you know, the, the, the minor savings that we have by switching them to more of a department head model. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But it's not something that I support at all. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, knowing the importance of them in, in this curriculum and instructional improvement process. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Same thing with elementary curriculum coordinators, looking at savings if of, of reducing options at the middle school. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, one thing we need to analyze if we did reduce options, would that create an efficiency that allows us to reduce staff? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If not, um, you know, there's not even a budgetary, um, um, you know, benefit to that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, plus we just want to analyze, you know, we have a great, um, program that includes French, Spanish, and Chinese. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We have a strong, strong Chinese in, in, um, population here in Sharon. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And Chinese, Chinese is a great language for kids to learn as far as global citizenship and, and business.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so, uh, we would really want to maintain that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but certainly it's, it's, it's in that discretionary category, as well as looking at our interventionists and specialists.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So these are some of the areas that could be considered, um, and talked about if we're, um, you know, wanting to prepare for, um, the worst case scenario of a 2.7% increase instead of something a bit higher.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then also looking at afterschool clubs and athletics, those are other places that could be considered.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So with our next, uh, several meetings, we'll further discuss this updated budget recommendation and its impacts and reviewed and discussed impacts of cuts needed to reach, um, you know, a lower target like the 2.7% that is currently in place and provide additional details needed. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and that's, uh, you can, you can skip those. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So they've seen those before.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks, Dr. Mattella.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, Georgia Ann. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Come around. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All right. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, can you help me understand and thanks for, we had asked you to do a deep dive. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Let me start there. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Let me start there at budget subcommittee and kind of, uh, kind of dig down into some points. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I appreciate you that you did that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, still would like that actual, a separate budget at the 2.7. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I do appreciate the slide breaking it down, but I feel like for the general public. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And even for me, who's been trying to partner in this process, it can get cumbersome.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, though I do appreciate the attempt. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I have a question on the, uh, special ed slide.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You have, uh, we're going to, you're proposing to move alternative funding source 6.5 FTE for the sped. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Where are we moving it to? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like where, where's that money coming from? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Is it a grant you're moving? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like, um, what is that funding source that we're using? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Where's it moving to? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then how long is that said funding source going to be around? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Can you help somebody explain that? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I don't know if that's you or Astrid. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Eleanor Astrid, could you guys jump into that? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then I just have a follow up question. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Go ahead. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Certainly. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: There would be capacity in the 240 grant that we have. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, do we get that annually? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And there would be capacity in the 240 grant to assume those expenses.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Is that's not the cares act, right? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: No, that is not the cares act. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Cause I don't, we don't want to mess with headcount and stuff. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Nope. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This is the 240 grant. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This is the, um, the special education, um, entitlement grant that we receive annually. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And that's going to be sustainable.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's not just for this year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: No, it should, it would be sustainable. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Awesome. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's all for now. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, thank you for adding some of the things we'd asked a budget subcommittee.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I do think it's important for us to understand.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, it is important for us to understand what a 2.7 budget would look like. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and you know, I, I think there are a few areas.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Let me just pull up the presentation again. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, that, you know, I, I think more detail would be helpful.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, you know, I, I think that, you know, when, when thinking about what to prioritize, there SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: are good opportunities here to reduce breadth of offering.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I know that while Chinese in middle school is valuable to some students, I think you'd mentioned SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that some of the classes are running with like a dozen kids. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and you know, I, I think it, it, it, it, for me, it's good enough for Sharon to provide kids. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think that the standard options of French and Spanish and doing well at that and excelling SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: at others rather than detracting from other areas to provide breadth. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and, and, and I think in a similar vein, thinking through just kind of the details of SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: some of these electives, I know we've been talking about them for two years, like the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: electives in the high school, like how big are these classes? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, you know, hyperbolically, like I'm guessing they're not like seven or eight kids in some SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of them, but I have no idea. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so I, I, I think just, uh, you know, thinking about what would cut, would impact the learning SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: of the students the least, I think it is reductions in breadth of offering to let us really focus SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: on excelling at what we're good at. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and, and I think, I think that's, that's the area where more detail is important, but also SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: just getting to that 2.7. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and, and I do worry when I hear that, you know, part of the way that we're closing SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the gap, um, is by making less conservative assumptions.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I, I think that that, that's where we can run into trouble.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, whether it be running out of supplies midway through the year or thinking about, uh, other SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: areas that might not be getting the funding that they need, um, throughout the year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I, I think, you know, I'm glad that some of the feedback was incorporated.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think that we can also simplify the presentation a little kind of specifying, like here are the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: target bands that we're thinking for classrooms.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, at these different levels. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, at these different levels. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Cause you know, looking at it alone, it's like, I sometimes struggle to say, okay, if we're averaging SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: 23 in the middle school, is that high? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Is that high? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Is that low? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, looking at Acton, they target 22 to 24 students from grade seven to 12. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, you know, I think the personnel reductions would put us in that range that at least one SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: other district is using, and I only use Acton cause I have their memo at hand. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so, so just those sorts of comparisons can be helpful too. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Cause, um, I think it's important to think about to, to help put these in perspective, um, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: compared to other districts and norms within the state and what we think the impact can be. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, you know, I think one of the other areas to think about is as a committee is, you know, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: the trade-offs between specialists and class sizes, is it better to run with slightly larger SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: class sizes and more specialists?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And those are the type of questions that, you know, I'm really looking for deep thinking SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: on and I'm just not seeing it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We've been asking a lot. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so I know that we're making steps, but, um, I want to make sure that, you know, we're SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: really looking hard at stuff.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Oh, Dan, you're muted. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah, thanks. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, there's a thoughtful logic around, uh, the class sizes and moving teachers strategically SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and what strategic reductions will look like that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I appreciated, uh, I have some questions around, uh, the football program, which was listed SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in the presentation, uh, and, uh, some of the administrative positions we're talking about. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, uh, my question about football is, was it list? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Is it, is that program in particular listed, uh, for a specific reason such as, uh, an extraordinary SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: expense associated with it compared to other programs? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Is it just because people raised it, uh, in connection with other concerns like safety? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It was requested by one of the committee members to have the specifics on, on that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I put it in there. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and, uh, I guess, I guess if we want to tackle that one first is, is there a trend SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in other districts of, um, of eliminating football programs or anything like that?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Or is football an extraordinarily expensive program compared to, or is it like the safety SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: aspect that warrants special might warrant special mention? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Or is, is it just one of many programs we would be looking at? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I mean, I think, I think, you know, though I do not know of, uh, I'm sure there are districts SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that have eliminated their football program recently, but I do not know one in within our, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: you know, our regional comparisons or even state comparisons that have. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so it was, I just put it in there because it was a request by one of the committee members. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, um, certainly we, we always have to tend to, um, you know, player safety and such, but SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it's also a very, very strong cultural part of, of a school system and not something that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I, as a former coach and former player, uh, support, but certainly want to provide that SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: information when requested. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank, thank you for that context. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, my other question is about these administrative positions.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I appreciated that, uh, you requested this year, an additional administrative, um, assistant SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: position in central office and gave us what I thought was a strong rationale for it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, I also appreciated that it was included in one of the potential, um, removals.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If, if we were, um, not to get the requisite funding, uh, to support a position like that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I didn't see, um, the other administrative position.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If, if it's fair to call it that listed in, in the list of potential, um, reductions, uh, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: which was the school district wide psychologist.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, I know we had talked about that a bit at the last meeting and, um, I had asked for a SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: little more context. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It doesn't have to be at this meeting around like what specifically we would be getting SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: with that and, you know, what the final net expense associated with it would be. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I know we had talked about some offsets and there's some complicated stuff going on there. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but I was just, uh, asking about why it was an oversight or do you think that position SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: is so critical that it, it, you would even be willing to cut things like certain AP classes SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: or, or increase class sizes to retain it? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Or, um, what, what is the thinking around that position? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Unfortunately, I think we're in an environment where just, um, because of the budget circumstances, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: administrative positions just get more scrutiny just by the nature of them, especially positions SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that didn't, that don't currently exist. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, um, that's why I'm focusing on that specifically, but I'm also open if there's a really critical SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: rationale for it to hearing more about that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, yeah, certainly, uh, definitely will provide more greater detail on the psychologist position SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and what the position we're doing, um, how, how we're paying for those same services now SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and what the, what the, um, what the benefit would be. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, it's, I don't consider, um, I don't consider, um, I don't consider SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: psychologist is not an administrative position. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's a, it's, it, it does involve direct service with the kids as well as, um, testing services SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that are, uh, necessary.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So it's a different category where the other one is an administrative support position for SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: central office. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and, um, you know, as much as it's incredibly necessary, it's, it's less, uh, direct facing SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: to kids. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, it does have, um, impact on kids and especially families and, and, um, you know, also supporting, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: um, you know, um, uh, the buildings themselves, but it's, it's a different type of position and SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: something that as much as, uh, I feel like we need to add it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's, um, always unfortunate the first place that I'll go to because yeah, classroom teachers SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I know are even more essential than that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think Astrid had something to add there.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, Dr. Patello and Dan, um, I can certainly work with, uh, Dr. Patello to provide you some SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: numbers and rationale as to why the district, um, psychologist will be not only a financial SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: benefit, but also a student benefit, um, with, to our district.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so we can certainly, um, have that prepared for our next meeting. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you for the question. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All right, Julie. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you, Avi.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, a lot of been, a lot of things have been discussed, so I won't get into them, but I SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: do have one comment, which I'd like to follow my question.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And my question is to all of my colleagues, but particularly, particularly the ones on the SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: budget subcommittee.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I was at the priorities meeting last week. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We were told a 2.7%
number.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That would be what we're using now. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That isn't a real number. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That is a number that is as arbitrary.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think somebody said earlier, like, well, we can't just make up a number, but that's SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: essentially now there's a lot of thought behind that number. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'm not denying that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But every single department in town, including us was told 2.7%. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But we are the only district, the only department in town that is actually trying to meet this SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: arbitrary number. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: None of the other departments are doing that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Everyone is waiting until the governor's budget comes out at the end of January.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I really don't think I think what we're doing is we're basically cutting off branches too SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: early of our decision tree because we're not pushing the decision as far as possible off. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I understand what I'm hearing you say is you want to make explicit a lot of trade offs. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But I think what we're having, what's happening is you're requiring a lot of extra things to happen that aren't.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The comment that I wanted to make also to my colleagues is that when we talk about eliminating electives or AP classes, you can look at the numbers and you can put on your green eye shade and calculate as much as you want. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But those classes are essential.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: When they, when we represent our school, when our guidance counselors send out information to colleges about our school, one of the things that they see is how many AP classes we offer.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I believe cutting too many of electives and high level classes like that would not only hurt the kids taking them, but it might also hurt other kids in that we might not look as great a school to many of the colleges receiving our information.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that is, that's my question and my comment.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Well, I'm feeling that added 20, we're going to have a long discussion now. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I see everybody lined up. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: George Ann. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hi. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Oh, I think it's a great question.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I also was on priorities as I attend all meetings because they're all part of our process.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: For those of the rest of the school committee have taken the time to go back and watch the budget subcommittees, especially the last one. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, I'm going to clarify for everyone.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If you didn't that, um, Jeremy, Adam and myself were very specific.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And that our request for the 2.7 was literally for what you just asked Julie to show that it's not a reasonable number for our school district to support our needs in our school budget. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But until Dr. Patel puts that out in a very easy digestible form for other boards like FinCom, like the town, like the public, and then compares it to the higher amount, which I believe is 4.3. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Ideally, um, we can't make a case for how egregious that 2.7 number is if we don't have a base. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So there was a process to it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We wanted to have all the information out there so we could have a very robust conversation and talk about these kind of cuts and how they may not be practical. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: They may be practical to come back to the board. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So it wasn't done to cut limbs off the tree or anything.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's a good point, Georgianne. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, just a point of order here, guys. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, the agenda item that we're discussing that the presentation is leading to no questions have been out of order by any stretch. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But just a reminder, this, this here is the agenda item where we have the discussion to direct the ad admin as to what number we need him to come back to. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: As Dr. Botello alluded to, he's aware of the 2.7 number. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, his, his next steps are very well may be to present that 2.7 number.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so I do think like we're having the right discussion.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Let me be clear. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And that's the whole point. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I just want folks to know we are in this, this discussion discussion.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hopefully we'll end with a directive. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This is where that, that takes place. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I just had a question for George and hold on. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We can't do the back of you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I see your hand. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I wasn't done. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I thought, no, no, no, it's okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I just wanted to respond to the football piece. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, um, one of the asks we had was to kind of tease through kind of the big ticket items, athletics being one football was just pulled out because of the low enrollment.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And because we dropped down a league, we just wanted to see what the cost increase was in the program. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I don't think the intention was to target it in any way. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's just, again, trying to take deep dives and things that, you know, are worthy of looking at. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and Dan, to respond to you, some other districts, um, like us have combined.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I know, like, um, I'll give you an example, like the girls ice hockey team, uh, partners with Stoughton, um, so that we can support programming in both districts.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, uh, it's definitely not unheard of that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, the same has happened with some of the small schools with football. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: For example, I don't think anyone's suggesting necessarily cutting football, but it was just an item that was looked at due to recent kind of uptick in costs. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So just wanted to clarify that I'm done. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you so much. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: No worries. Jeremy, did you reorder on purpose? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Uh, no, I didn't mean to. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I put it down. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I mean, to Julie's comments, like that's how we've gotten in trouble in prior years, right? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like we're, we're not cutting off any branches until we vote a final budget and we'll have a final number by then. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So it's just, we should know what our options are. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If we were going to go zero base, we would have a much broader view and would be prioritized, but I don't think we're at that point. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So it's really a forcing function. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So like, yeah, I've seen how budgets have gone in prior years and it isn't well, it's a rushed mess at the end. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, and there's no harm in it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's important for us to really focus on prioritization.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think as we think about other ads, so yeah, I think we should set the 2.7. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That way we know what it is, if it's there. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And as part of that, we should have a prioritization to say, look, here are the first things we'd add back if it comes in higher. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But I mean, it's a useful exercise to look at a broader range of stuff.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And yes, electives have value, but we need to think of the value of those electives against other things because the town has a financial reality.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You know, we can't have electives for everything.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think that we need to say how large are some of these classes, how many kids are benefiting.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And to me, I think that if it's between everyone has a broader set of options, but they don't have as much support or they have much larger classes or they're not getting things elsewhere.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then I think that breadth is an area where I'm willing to make tradeoffs to provide an excellent education and maybe a narrower set of areas. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we can't just complain and say, oh, it would be bad to cut that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Of course, it would be bad to cut that. But what are the alternatives?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think that's why we need to look at the list carefully and understand what does it mean to cut electives?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And what does it mean to have more specialists and what does it mean to have larger class sizes and what other schools do? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Adam. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks, Javi. And I would just add to that kind of in addition to what Georgianne and Jeremy have said is I think something that the budget subcommittee really wanted to do was reach a point where we as a committee could could deeply understand kind of what each of these different kind of building blocks are and entail and their value, their tradeoff as we think about configuring the budget. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I think within that context, it makes a lot of sense to say, here's what we can do. Here's what we can't do. Here's what this would look like. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think, you know, I think we were very at a very productive conversation with Dr. Patello in our last subcommittee meeting where we said explicitly, you know, help us understand, you know, what the pros and cons are of these different choices as our educational leader.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think that's something that, you know, Dr. Patello has started doing. And I think we want to continue to do as we pull apart these different, you know, these different options.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I mean, we, you can look at our districts offerings relative to other districts.
And I know we had talked about the middle school world language program.
There are districts that have two languages offered.
There are districts that have five languages offered.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: There are pros and there are cons. And based off of our enrollment, there may be cost savings that we should consider.
There may not be. And it may not be a, you know, then it may, may becomes a value decision as opposed to a budgetary decision.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But it's important that we understand each of those options.
The other thing I would say is, you know, I think as a subcommittee, we felt it important that we work within the constraints of what the town can afford and shape our budget to that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The priorities number gave us that 2.7. If we have a subsequent number, you know, if there have been subsequent conversations where, you know, Fred has shared, it is looking more at a 3.3 or a 3.4. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And we know that we can utilize that as a target of what we can afford.
Then I think we should aim to that. If we don't have that number and, you know, the guidance from town is 2.7, then we should aim at 2.7. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And to George Ann's point, really help the town understand what our budget would look like at a 2.7, where we're making the best decisions possible, but still need to make these painful cuts.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I appreciate the concept of looking at trade-offs.
That is a great idea.
Nevertheless, I think 2.7% is a made-up number.
It is a number dropped in there for now. That is not the real number.
And I think that if we're going to start putting stuff together to try to get to 2.7 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: in a manner showing, well, it could just go the other way. There could be other Jeremy's out there saying, well, if you can get it down to 2.7, why don't you?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think it's, I just don't think it's a good idea. I don't think that picking a number and saying, well, we should do it now so we don't have to do it later. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The reason we do it later is because the number doesn't come out until the end of January.
That's a timeline we can't change. That's why everything gets mushed up in February and March. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's not because we're all incompetent people walking around here who never thought of ideas before. I think that if we're going to stay, I just want to finish. Everybody else got to talk.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yep. No, talk as much as you want. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think that saying that we need to meet that 2.7 number is as arbitrary as me saying, well, I think we need to meet a three.
Why, Julie?
Because, well, that could be the number two. Nobody knows what the number is until the end of January.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think that this process that you have of whittling things down and trying to figure out all the trade-offs, I think I just don't understand.
I think it's, I think the time that it's taking of our administration and of ourselves to go through all of these things is not at all worth the exercise.
That's my opinion.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. So we have to, we have to adhere to some norms. Okay. There was a lot said right there that we can't do at this table. We're not going to do the you, the you process.
I mean.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You plural.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Except at one point you referred to a group of people by one name. Look, here's what I have to say about this. I waited for everyone.
I waited until dead last. Here's what I have to say about this. And I don't disagree with you, Julie, on a lot. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I actually agree a lot here with Jeremy and a lot with Dan and a lot. I, I, I think that the, the complicated part of this process, and I, I have spent a lot of time over the last number of years watching other towns, other districts, budget processes to try to understand the complications of this is that it is ultimately the school committee's budget, but it is, it starts as the superintendent's budget. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so to me, and, and look, I'm the chair of this committee.
I have agenda planning meetings.
Dan is there for them. Dr. Patel's presentation tonight is in response to my view as to how we can compromise here as a group. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: There is a number. It isn't, I, it is arbitrary, Julia, right? Like, I don't look, I don't like our priorities process. How it's arrived at at the first priorities meeting is arbitrary.
From my view, I agree with that. But it's not arbitrary relative to this committee.
It is a number that was voted on by two of our members and others. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so it is, it is a logical place for people to point to. That being said, each of the years that I've sat on priorities and shared this committee, there have been numbers shared by the town with our administration and at times with me. Full disclosure, this year, that number hasn't been shared with me at this point, but I know our administration has heard somewhere around 3.4. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Now, again, that's not a sure thing until the second priorities meeting.
There are, there are six people in this town who will have an opportunity to vote that number.
Two of them are sent there by our committee.
I understand why Dr. Botello feels like the full, this is what I would do budget from the superintendent right now should look like the best case scenario he's hearing.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I also understand why this group needs to see what is cuttable and what we have options for. Because ultimately, that rushed process, which, you know, Jeremy, I wish it was different, but I think it will feel somewhat rushed in the end by nature.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think you as the budget chair are doing a good job this year of getting more information out into these conversations.
So we all as a group will feel less rushed.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Unfortunately, there are some folks that won't tune in until one of the items being discussed is the one that's near and dear to them, and they will feel rushed. And that can feel rushed because we choose to add something back. So we could go to 2.7 now and then choose to add back. Or it will feel rushed because we plan on 3.4 and then end up cutting something because it's at 3.1 or 3.1. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Now, I think that having a menu, which this was closer to a menu, Dr. Botello, I think I share some of the exact questions Jeremy has watching the presentation.
I felt like, look, I don't want to increase class sizes at anywhere, to be clear, district wide. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But I did have, you know, I saw some of the presentation and thought it would be good to have a number that shows us contractually how, how, just how large could our classes get and how many, in a worst case scenario, how many FTEs would that mean cutting, right?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That would show us like, okay, maybe we're a half a million dollars above our absolute bare bones contractual obligation.
I don't know. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The same thing, you know, Jeremy mentions the Chinese classes.
I philosophically want us to be broad. But from a fiscal perspective, I see it the same way. And I know, Julie, over the years, we've had the same conversation.
I know you share it too, that we should be looking at those places that Jeremy mentioned here tonight, the classes where there's 12 people, right? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: At the end of the day, if we end up having to cut something, just Kantian, right? It would be better to be really good, as Jeremy said, at a few things than like really mediocre at a bunch of things.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I do think that we're earlier in the process right now than we have been. There is a difference in philosophy between some of us. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And certainly in this case, between the budget chair and me as the chair, just in that I would prefer the superintendent own, this is what I'm comfortable with, but also give us the numbers for us to be able to say, well, we would, this is how we get to 27.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We talk about it as a group and we get to that number. I think Jeremy would want it in the reverse order. He'd like you to declare the 27 and we discuss. I get it. Six to one, half a dozen to the other. I respect it both ways. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think at this point we can, as a group, direct Dr. Botello as to what we want to see at the next meeting.
And to be brief, I think, Georgianne, I've heard you say, and Jeremy, I've heard you say, you want to see that be 27.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You want the next meeting there to be a, this is the superintendent's budget at 27. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan, do you have a feeling on that number?
Adam, then I'll call you Alan and Julie.
I know yours is above 27. I've picked up on that.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I had a different question. Can I ask my quick different question?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Let me just, let me just get this and then I'll come back to your question. Let me get through this. And Dr. Botello, I, you could chime in if you, if you're, I mean, obviously you're a very big part of this conversation.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I just want to make clear that, you know, I met with the finance committee.
I mean, the budget subcommittee on, on Friday.
And so by getting to 3.4 is something that I felt like I could get to responsibly by today while starting to hash out the possibilities.
But, but. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I understand you're not digging it. Yeah. I understand you're not digging it. And look, I think we all, I think sometimes, I think we need to end up being able to get to a budget that this group agrees on.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Even with, and allow Dr. Botello the space to respectfully not agree with certain cuts without it being at odds. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: There are things we might decide to cut because that's the job that we were elected to do that Dr. Botello would absolutely not love or agree with, but that doesn't mean that we have to be at odds. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think this conversation has been very respectful on all sides. So I don't mean to imply that we are at odds right now. Dan, two, seven higher than that. What would you like to see that initial come in? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. I, I, I thought this presentation and conversation was a very positive step compared to previous years and where we've been.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I credit that to Dr. Botello.
I credit that to the budget subcommittee asking questions, working with the administration.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So what was really useful to me about this discussion is learning both how Dr. Botello was thinking about this, hearing about what was likely, but also being able to wrap our head around what would these different levels look like? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like the budget subcommittee has always been asking for, like what, what is the kind of the magnitude of what 2.7 would look like? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I got that, or at least started getting that from this presentation.
So I don't know that I necessarily need a formal prioritized budget to 2.7.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I could see the merits of that or not doing that, but I, I just really want to understand what are we talking about here?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: What are the kinds of cuts we'd be talking about? What is the mat? What is the magnitude of these numbers mean? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And, and I got a lot of that from this conversation, but I think we're moving closer to what everybody's talking about here and reaching some kind of good practice moving forward.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I thought this was a very productive conversation and I appreciated it. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I'm very open to what others are talking about, but I don't have a firm desire for like a structured 2.7 budget personally.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Adam thoughts on that same subject.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. So I guess from my perspective, I think it's important that we work within the kind of projected allocation from the town.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so I guess, and I apologize, Dr. Patello for being on the spot a little bit.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Like, did you hear directly, have you been given guidance, you know, subsequent to, to budget subcommittee meeting that yet, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: that number is, even though it came in at 2.7 at the first priority meeting, the likely recommendation from the town.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I have, I think always seen that recommendation end up kind of getting voted at second priorities meeting.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Be more like 3.4. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Is that, is that correct?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think both, both in conversations with the town administrator as well, as he did give that 3.4 number, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: even at, at priorities as a, as a strong possibility.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's, that's where they're, they're in still a kind of, kind of conservative way. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's a, that's the hopeful place they, they expect to land. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Now, do they know that until they get the, you know, the, the, the governor's, you know, the initial budget?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: No. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But that's, that's what they're, they're, they're expecting.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And there's a, there's a couple different factors that go into that.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So, I mean, is it a definite thing? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's no, it's not. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: They would, they would, they would put it down if it was definite.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Okay. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So thank you. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: That's helpful.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'll be able, I'll just continue really quickly. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I guess for me, I'm comfortable at the 3.4 number and kind of aiming there.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If, if that's where kind of Fred has said, we think we're going to land.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think we still want to do all of the, the homework to understand like each piece of the building block, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: what the pros and cons are. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, so that if we are at 3.0 or 2.7 or whatever that number may be, we're well equipped to have that conversation in our, you know, in a very reactive mode. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and for context, I think everyone on the committee should be well, sufficiently well informed, uh, that if someone from a different area of town, uh, and town government, like town government or, or the town in general comes up to us and says, Hey, why this? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Why is this important?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, why are you keeping this or why are you cutting this? SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We should be able to say, well, here's why, here's why this is important.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Here's the pros. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Here's the cons. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Here's kind of how we were, we are thinking of it.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, and you know, ultimately we'll make a decision as a committee in terms of what goes into that budget, but that's the level of comfort with each of the building blocks that we should, we should all have. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Um, but Adam, Adam, also just to piggyback though, the, all of this is still worth looking into the questions that Jeremy had, which I also had, because even if we ended three, four, even if we're all in agreement, three, four, that doesn't mean we spend it on those same things. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If we can say by here and here, maybe we add, we've all acknowledged there are things this district could use that we don't fund. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Maybe there are things we're going to fund within that three, four, which we would rather be putting into other things, other services, et cetera.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan thought a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then I'm going to call on Julie, then Jeremy Alan thoughts. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'll just say I'm at a stage where I, I don't need to see a 2.7 budget.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'm okay with a menu, but at whatever point, Dr. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Bertello, you come forward with a budget of a different number than 3.4.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I do want to fully understand the sort of educational pedagogy behind what you're thinking.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think, you know, the depth to which you and Dr. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jocelyn and others have talked about the curriculum in these meetings gives a level of confidence to the community about how you think through these things. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I think, well, it's not an apples to apples kind of presentation, I think, you know, that level of detail, I think makes a difference.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And so that's where I am. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I don't need it right now, but when we get there, I, your recommendations are go a long way.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I think that I slide in the, the recent deck that we just looked at, it says all I need to say, which is in the past five years, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: we've always got more than the original priorities number.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And therefore I don't see, I don't think it's necessary to dwindle us down to 2.7 when we don't have to.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I would ask a request of the chair of the budget subcommittee, which is, I did not get to watch it afterwards because I can't find it posted on Sharon TV unless it lives elsewhere.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I'd also appreciate it if the chair could email the rest of the committee when you are having one of these meetings.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I hear that ask, but that ask should then be made of all the subcommittee chairs.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You know, again, I don't, I hear you, Julie, but that isn't a norm on the committee.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I mean, I, I, we can make that a norm.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I'm not against it.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If the budget subcommittee is so active and so actively involved in things that we then see later, I think it would be valuable if we could watch afterwards what the thinking was before we go into a meeting.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All right. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I messaged Megan today to ask why I wasn't posted yet.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So it should be posted soon.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I don't, I don't know if Megan's here.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I don't know. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I see Sharon schools has their hand up. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I'm going to assume that that's Megan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Hi. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I was able to connect with Sharon TV today. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So as far as I, to my knowledge, we are the only budget subcommittee or the only, I guess, subcommittees that Sharon TV will allow to have our meetings posted.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And that's because we do share the same Zoom link and all, or the Zoom account and all of that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So essentially the way it functions is we record and then it kind of goes to the cloud and then Sharon TV does us a favor and kind of posts that.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So they're very much bogged down this time of year with all of the awesome events going on and everything like that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I was able to connect with folks over there and they are going to post it as soon as possible. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I do want to say that I've also, I've been trying to do my best to be vigilant and to post the budget subcommittee agendas to the town or sorry, to our website under the posting agendas under the school committee tab.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's something that again is kind of is for us to handle.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Those don't get necessarily, they do get posted by the town as well. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I send them over to the town. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I would just say if you want to, you know, stay in the loop, definitely keep an eye on those. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But per the open meeting law, they do get posted.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And the most recent subcommittee meeting recording should be posted by the end of the week.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I appreciate that. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I look forward to seeing all this, all of this information.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Perfect. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The one brief thing I was going to say is I agree with most of what's been said, especially Avi, Adam, Dan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The menu is the most important part.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If we say, we could say 1%, we could say 2%. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But as long as we have the menu, we'll feel more prepared.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So the work, I think, is understanding the menu options. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: To me, having a lower number, a conservative number is a way of forcing a prioritization that's helpful.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So it would be like, here's like the next tranche of priorities for the lowest priority things for the school.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And instead of like scoring each one, you know, on a score of 10, how important this is, SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: it forces, you know, some thought about, okay, which of these are like the next tranche of priority?
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So it adds a little information.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's not critical because we do have the menu and we'd be prepared to go down lower.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But it's a good prioritization exercise.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Because we might say, you know, maybe some of the things we're thinking about cutting or some of the things we want to add are more important than those ones that are kind of in that lower priority tranche. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So that's all.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I don't think the actual number matters that much as long as we put a lot of effort into understanding what our options are.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Agreed. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And Jeremy, let's both articulate.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It doesn't have to be, we don't have to cc each other or we could, to Dr. Vitello sometime by, like sometime tomorrow. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The specifics that we both talked about tonight for him to, because I think for next meeting, if we can get those things looked at, that gives us a much different look for this menu.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And some pretty, again, we might see, look, this time last year, I was against cutting Fless because philosophically, I believe in Fless. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But the reality was, when we looked hard at those numbers, the money was pretty drastic and it made a very big impact on our budget.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan, I see your hand is up. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yeah, I'll be super brief. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I just wanted to stick up for the priorities group and the meeting we just had a little bit. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: In that, the presentation that the town gave and some of the comments of the other committees, like FinCon, for example, acknowledged that the priorities number has historically gone up. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And it was presented as a very conservative number, sort of a worst case scenario, if you will. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So I think it's important both, this is me agreeing with Julie and Jeremy and others, in a sense, I think it's important to know what that number means and the fact that it historically has gone up a bit is important to understand.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: But I also think it's important to plan for worst case scenarios and understand the magnitude of what that would look like.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So thank you.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Cool.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All right. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you for the presentation, Dr. Vitello. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you for the conversation.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: To my colleagues. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We've got a couple of decision items that we can hop into. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We still have a long night ahead of us in executive session.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I would entertain a motion to approve the minutes of December 3rd, 2025.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So moved.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Second.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Adam.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Georgian.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I'm a yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Motion carries. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: 7-0. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I would entertain a motion to approve intramurals 2025-2026.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This is SMS.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The SMS, Jim.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So moved.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Second.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Adam.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Georgian.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I'm a yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Motion carries. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I would entertain a motion to approve East Elementary PTO mural donation.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So moved.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Second.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Adam. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Georgian.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Astrid.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Astrid.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Oh, I'm sorry. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Astrid. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy just was in. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jeremy.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you for calling on me.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: The boxes moved.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Sorry, Jeremy. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes for everything.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I'm a yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Motion carries 7-0.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All right. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Pursuant to MGLC 30AS21A3.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: To discuss strategy with respect to litigation 2582CV00891.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation with the STA IA unit.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: If an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigation position of the Sharon School Committee.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And the chair so declares not to return to open session.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And then obtain a motion to move to executive session.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: So moved.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Second.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Alan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Adam.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Georgian.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I see you came off mute, Astrid. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I saw what you did there. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: I saw what you did there.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Jared.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Julie.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Dan.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Yes.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I'm a yes. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Motion carries 8-0.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: 7-0.
SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And I will see you in executive session. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thank you, everybody. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Happy holidays. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Happy New Year. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All that good stuff. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Good night, everyone. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Likewise. SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Bye.
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